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THE TRIAL IS OVER: SSGT WUTERICH PLEADS GUILTY TO ONE COUNT OF NEGLIGENT DERELICTION OF DUTY
Defend Our Marines ^ | January 23, 2012 | Nathaniel R. Helms and David Allender

Posted on 01/23/2012 7:08:17 PM PST by RedRover

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To: RedRover

They should have been given Bronze Medals.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 7:54:58 PM PST by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: RedRover

Frankly I could not care less what that sack of crap McGirk has to say. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy, took more soldiers out of the fight than most jihadists, and is pleased about it.

He can go to Hell, and my bet (not speaking for God, just my bet) is that he will.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 7:55:17 PM PST by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: RedRover

Thanks Red but I won’t listen to that turkey either.


23 posted on 01/23/2012 7:56:08 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
he should be allowed to get on with his life with his three girls and family.

You forgot one thing, Honorably.

24 posted on 01/23/2012 7:57:04 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: RedRover

When you look at the big picture and the entire timeline, from when that simpleton McGirk’s story appeared in TIME and the perfumed princes of the Pentagon got their panties in a twist, until now, the good guys got 99.99% cleared and the political whores and lefty scum got jack squat.

Meanwhile, the stain left on those Marine Corps leaders who relentlessly went after a combat veteran who lost a buddy in battle will never be scrubbed away. Screw them. Semper fidelis my ass.


25 posted on 01/23/2012 7:59:05 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Michael Barnes

A valid point but I already consider him honorable and should have stated it.


26 posted on 01/23/2012 8:00:40 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover

At risk if he is incarcerated are his three little girls, who are otherwise without a resident parent.

The judge won’t care about that because the judge knows that he is required to have a Dependent care plan so I kinda think it was a bad idea to use that as a way to get a lesser punishment. Showing that all the other offenders were not punished might be a better way of proving his desire of no punishment or lesser punishment.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 8:01:58 PM PST by napscoordinator (Newt MUST win the nomination to get rid of Romney and Obama....Dear God let November 2012 go our way)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover

You are so right, Jaz. The last six years are punishment enough. I hope the judge understands.


28 posted on 01/23/2012 8:04:03 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Jemian

I understand, but I am crying over this. Ssgt. Wuterich DID NOTHING WRONG!!!! AT ALL!!!

Ssgt Wurerich disagrees with you. He even says so in this story.


29 posted on 01/23/2012 8:04:06 PM PST by napscoordinator (Newt MUST win the nomination to get rid of Romney and Obama....Dear God let November 2012 go our way)
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To: muawiyah
You had to have done nothing at all to get twenty-five years

Yeah, Solzhenitsyn, and his fellow Gulag pals called them "Quarters".

30 posted on 01/23/2012 8:04:13 PM PST by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: RedRover

One for the Corps for Wuterice, and zero for those who deserve whipping: his prosecutors.


31 posted on 01/23/2012 8:05:52 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: RedRover

I’ll pray with you that the Judge shows wisdom tomorrow.


32 posted on 01/23/2012 8:14:49 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: RedRover; All

Thanks for your outstanding work on bringing the threads to this forum, RedRover. (somewhat)GOOD NEWS! BTTT for America’s finest!


33 posted on 01/23/2012 8:25:34 PM PST by PGalt
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To: piytar
Spot on piytar. This wee little mcgirk will get his. I look forward to the day when Berkeley and its pukefaced professors are treated similarly.
These gutless bastards roam free in this country because of the valor of men like SSgt. Wurterich. Makes me madder than hell.
They sit back and have themselves a good laugh.
Well SSgt Frank and his girls will come out on top. What drives me berserk is we let this kind of $hit go on for years.
Yes, were we a sane country indeed. May the loathsome mcgirk go penniless and starve with AIDS.
$hit, I need to go read some good news…
Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
34 posted on 01/23/2012 8:30:21 PM PST by bksanders (Â…tagline redacted by SOPA)
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To: RedRover

I just listened to the whole thing, strictly for the schadenfreude. It was probably what you might expect: McGirk’s response is, “How do you explain to the relatives of the Iraqi civilians, including women and children and a man in a wheelchair, why Wuterich is getting off with a slap on the wrist?” McGirk remains to this day a complete asshole. (By the way, he sounds very gay. No joke.)

There were three people interviewed during the 16 minute radio show. The correspondent, Alison St. John, was actually very fair and did a nice job of reporting. The adjunct law professor, Jane Siegel, spent a career in the Marines as a lawyer but in this interview she sounded clueless and offered nothing of substance, IMO.

I did get the impression that the host (no name given) was a scumbag lefty (NPR, surprise, surprise) and it was fun listening to her gnash her teeth near the end.

One thing I did find interesting is that McGirk always pronounces “Haditha” with the accent on the first syllable - “HAH-dith-ah” whereas I have always heard everybody else pronounce it with the accent on the second syllable - “Ha-DEE-tha”.

Also, all of those people, including the alleged former Marine lawyer, seemed hopelessly confused about what the “rules of engagement” were in November 2005. They all agreed that it was always necessary to “positively identify targets” before shooting. They seemed utterly clueless about how Marines were trained to deal with “hostile” houses, etc.


35 posted on 01/23/2012 8:41:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: napscoordinator
Ssgt Wurerich disagrees with you. He even says so in this story

Get real. They always make defendants who plea out allocute. I'm sure his lawyers prepared him well. Wuterich did exactly what he had to do. At this point, it's all about the sentencing.

36 posted on 01/23/2012 8:49:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Tailback
I remember the case. The female JAG Reservist exceeded her authority and jumped the chain of command by ordering snipers could not use M118LR Special Ball. When the Army sniper sergeant jumped the chain and told the three star-in-charge, there was an investigation. The investigation found M118 (and M118LR) special ball was authorized in September 1985 by a joint board of all the service's senior JAGs. The female JAG served the balance of her tour and got a mediocre officer evaluation (probably ending her career). The sergeant was reprimanded (wink, nod) and assigned as an instructor at the Army's Sniper School at Ft. Benning.

The Washington Times

January 20, 2006 Friday

BYLINE: By Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough, THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Sniper rounds

An Army judge advocate general (JAG) temporarily banned Army and Marine Corps snipers from using a highly accurate open-tip bullet.

The JAG, we are told, mistakenly thought the open-tip round was the same as hollow-point ammunition, which is banned. The original open-tip was known as Sierra Match King and broke all records for accuracy in the past 30 years.

The difference between the open-tip and the hollow point is that the open-tip is a design feature that improves accuracy while the hollow point is designed for increasing damage when it hits a target.

About 10 days ago, the Army JAG in Iraq ordered all snipers to stop using the open-tip 175-grain M118LR bullet, claiming, falsely, it was prohibited. Instead of the open-tip, snipers were forced to take M60 machine gun rounds out of belts and use them instead.

The order upset quite a few people here and in Iraq who said the JAG ignored the basic principle of every military lawyer that there is a presumption of legality for all issued weapons or ammunition that are made at the military service level at the time they are acquired.

“She forced snipers to use less accurate ammunition, thereby placing U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians at greater risk,” a Pentagon official said of the JAG, who was not identified by name. “And she incorrectly issued an order. JAGs may advise a commander, but they cannot issue orders.”

After Army lawyers were finally alerted to the JAG’s action, the order was lifted and the JAG was notified that the open-tip was perfectly legal for use by snipers. However, the reversal was followed by the Army officials’ taking retaliation against a sniper who blew the whistle on the bogus order. The sniper lost his job over a security infraction in reporting the JAG.

37 posted on 01/23/2012 8:57:25 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: napscoordinator
I understand, but I am crying over this. Ssgt. Wuterich DID NOTHING WRONG!!!! AT ALL!!! Ssgt Wurerich disagrees with you. He even says so in this story.

Wuterich's statement must be seen in light of its being part of a deal.

38 posted on 01/23/2012 8:59:09 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: RedRover

On the basis of a specious story in Time magazine, which was based on a hearsay account by a couple of enemy combatants, Sgt Wuterich was given a choice of facing either 160 years in prison, or 3 months for “dereliction of duty”.

What this comes down to is that Sgt Wuterich was forced to cop a lesser plea so that some over ambitious JAGS and an unethical reporter off the hook.


39 posted on 01/23/2012 9:00:15 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: napscoordinator
Ssgt Wurerich disagrees with you. He even says so in this story.

SSgt Wuterich is saying what is required for the plea. He tried to protect his men once he was told to clear "south". His men came home. It is very unfortunate when even one innocent is killed. But, just because an innocent is killed does not mean a Marine is guilty. IMO, this is the price of war. It was high that day.

SSgt Wuterich has lived with this uncertainty for six years, had his name impugned, been slandered by Congressmen.....

He's withstood more than most of us would be willing to do. He's admitting that he's done with this fight and is moving on....nothing more. (IMO, that is).
40 posted on 01/23/2012 9:01:35 PM PST by Girlene
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