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Ohio Senate Considers Limiting Smoking in Cars
WKRD ^ | 02/02/2012 | WKRD

Posted on 02/02/2012 5:20:36 AM PST by TSgt

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A bill in the Ohio Senate would ban smoking in cars if children under 6 are on board.

The measure's sponsor says the idea is to safeguard youngsters from secondhand smoke. Democratic Sen. Charleta Tavares of Columbus testified Wednesday at a hearing on her bill and said smoke inside cars is especially dangerous because the space makes the smoke much more concentrated.

Multiple news outlets report that Senate Highways and Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Patton questioned how law enforcers would be able to spot that a child is younger than 6, in order to enforce the law. Another Republican, Sen. Frank LaRose, warned that critics are likely to say the proposal infringes on personal freedom.

Tavares says several other states have similar car smoking bans.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: charletatavares; nannystate; smokingban; smokingnazis
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I loath smoking but think this is goofy.

That said, it ticks me off when smokers flick their butts out the window.

And then there are those who smoke while I'm pumping gas...

1 posted on 02/02/2012 5:20:41 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt

I’m a non-smoker, but this is about tyranny right here. Holy crap, politicians don’t think we can run ANY aspect of our lives. They’re totally out of control, out of their minds, and power drunk.


2 posted on 02/02/2012 5:23:59 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mich Patriot

She’s a doozy!

This is another one of her masterpieces:

Ohio state senator revives bill requiring culture classes for health workers
http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/02/ohio-state-senator-revives-bill-requiring-culture-classes-for-health-workers/
A newly elected Ohio Democratic state senator has become the latest to push a legislative proposal that would require “cultural competency” classes for healthcare workers.

The proposed law, Senate Bill 60, would apply to a wide variety of state-licensed and -certified professionals, including physicians, nurses, dentists, optometrists and pharmacists.

The latest proposal marks the fourth time in roughly seven years that the “cultural competency” classes law has been introduced. This time around, Sen. Charleta Tavares, D-Columbus, is the bill’s sponsor.

“Understanding the race, culture and ethnicity of the population you’re serving ensures that you’re providing the most appropriate service for that individual,” Tavares said.


3 posted on 02/02/2012 5:28:20 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

Thank you! THANK YOU!!

Dear, DEAR Nannystate!!!

ThanK you for saving us from OURSELVES!!!!

WITHOUT YOU WE WOULD ALL HAVE DIED long ago.


4 posted on 02/02/2012 5:28:38 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL VOTING. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: Flintlock

Is it culturally sensitive to believe that some aspects of some cultures stink?


5 posted on 02/02/2012 5:30:29 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Mich Patriot

Charleta B. Tavares (D-Columbus) is proud to join the Ohio Senate to represent Columbus and the 15th District. She is a committed public servant who served as a member of Columbus City Council from 1999 to 2010. Prior to joining Council, Tavares left a legacy for the citizens of Ohio during her 5 ½ year tenure in the Ohio General Assembly as the State Representative in the 22nd House District. Tavares was the first African-American female to serve in the state legislature from Franklin County and the first African-American woman ever to hold a leadership position in the Ohio General Assembly.

02.10.2011 Senator Tavares Presents Testimony for Bill That Provides Tax Credit to Employers Who Hire Ex-felons Columbus - State Senator Charleta B. Tavares presented sponsor testimony to the Senate Ways and Means and Economic Development Committee for Senate Bill 58.
6 posted on 02/02/2012 5:30:44 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt
The idea, as always, is to find more Revenues, via fines for smoking. I'm sure we've ALL seen the abundance of Radar Traps and other means of assessing Fines (a big Revenue source for communities and the State). I know that in a LOT of places, they've started fining cigarette butt tossers in the neighborhood of $150 for throwing a single butt out the window of your car. I don't condone littering, either, but I sure see a LOT more McD's wrappers and coffee carryout cups littering the highway, than I do cigarette butts. (Nothing is more disgusting than having a driver empty his ashtray on the parking lot next to his car at a mall, etc.)

I would like to see them FINE those women who wear $1/quart perfume for air pollution, myself.

7 posted on 02/02/2012 5:31:25 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: TSgt
The idea, as always, is to find more Revenues, via fines for smoking. I'm sure we've ALL seen the abundance of Radar Traps and other means of assessing Fines (a big Revenue source for communities and the State). I know that in a LOT of places, they've started fining cigarette butt tossers in the neighborhood of $150 for throwing a single butt out the window of your car. I don't condone littering, either, but I sure see a LOT more McD's wrappers and coffee carryout cups littering the highway, than I do cigarette butts. (Nothing is more disgusting than having a driver empty his ashtray on the parking lot next to his car at a mall, etc.)

I would like to see them FINE those women who wear $1/quart perfume for air pollution, myself.

8 posted on 02/02/2012 5:31:25 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: TSgt

This would be another one of those goofy laws that the police don’t have the time to mess with.

In Indiana we have a law to stop that butt flicking out the windows of a car.

It is not enforced. I asked a cop I know about that that and he laughed. He said “are you kidding me, we don’t have the time or inclination to pay attention to what everyone is doing in their car, our time is spent on crimes”


9 posted on 02/02/2012 5:31:57 AM PST by dforest
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To: Flintlock

I hope you’re not directing that at me.

I’m against this bill.


10 posted on 02/02/2012 5:32:05 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt
Ohio Senate Considers Limiting Smoking in Cars

Yes, it's alright for the Government Motors cars to burst into flames, but they shouldn't be allowed to make smoke and pollute the air.

11 posted on 02/02/2012 5:35:11 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: traditional1

My live experience is that smokers are generally highly inconsiderate of others.

I’m not looking to start a flame war here, just stating what I’ve observed.

In fact, every smoker I see while driving always disposes of their cigarette out the window.


12 posted on 02/02/2012 5:36:12 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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“Understanding the race, culture and ethnicity of the population you’re serving ensures that you’re providing the most appropriate service for that individual,” Tavares said.

I wonder if that cultural training also includes instruction for black healthcare workers to better understand white race and culture? (crickets chirping)

13 posted on 02/02/2012 5:36:28 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: traditional1

live = life

Need more coffee ;)


14 posted on 02/02/2012 5:36:59 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt
Sen. Frank LaRose, warned that critics are likely to say the proposal infringes on personal freedom.

Critics, eh? Why doesn't Sen. LaRose himself point out that crucial and obvious fact?

God these people are cowards.

15 posted on 02/02/2012 5:37:48 AM PST by relictele (Green energy is neither)
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To: TSgt
You don't live near me....I don't discard my smokes out the window; that's what ashtrays are for.

I don't mind being asked NOT to smoke somewhere by someone who is bothered, as I've smoked in my garage for 45 years (wife HATES smoking).

I just don't like reformed smokers who get in my face and rant about the smoke, just to make a point and show their political correctness.

OTOH, 1/4"x1" cigarette butts disfigure the landscape a lot less than an 8"x3" coffee cup, or a 6"x6" Big Mac wrapper and box......

16 posted on 02/02/2012 5:41:20 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: TSgt
That said, it ticks me off when smokers flick their butts out the window.

There are days I wish smoking would be banned entirely, but the liberty-loving American in me ultimately regains control. I live on a fairly busy street in a small city, and I pick up dozens of butts from my lawn every week. Every, single, week -- and I curse smokers the whole time.

I can deal with the smoke, but picking up other people's gargabe drives me nuts.

And the smoker who doesn't throw his butts to the ground is the exception, rather than the rule. I've witnessed every smoker I've ever known throw a butt down.

17 posted on 02/02/2012 5:42:04 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: TSgt
That said, it ticks me off when smokers flick their butts out the window.

Consider this: even little birdies need tampax...

And then there are those who smoke while I'm pumping gas...

That, sir, is definitely idiotic! Along with being on a cell phone when gassing up...

18 posted on 02/02/2012 5:42:51 AM PST by Bushbacker1
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To: TSgt

These politicians obviously believe that their power is without limit or any bounds.

This is insane!


19 posted on 02/02/2012 5:44:51 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Mich Patriot

Yup...

Tobacco: totally legal substance.

You just can’t use it anywhere.

Might as well leagalize MJ— heck, legalize all the drugs— under the same conditions. Net effect— zero.

(I’m also a non- actually an ex-smoker.)


20 posted on 02/02/2012 5:49:43 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: traditional1
Or the 12" X 20" urine soaked and feces smeared disposable diaper.
21 posted on 02/02/2012 5:52:00 AM PST by Bronzy (Drop a NEWTron on Obama!)
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To: TSgt

She looks like a Michael Jackson wannabe.


22 posted on 02/02/2012 5:58:09 AM PST by jmax
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To: TSgt

I think a decent argument could be made that drivers should not be handling objects that are on fire while driving on public roads, as a simple safety issue.

The secondhand smoke thing is stupid, however.


23 posted on 02/02/2012 6:09:21 AM PST by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Bronzy
Yeah; especially when that diaper lands on your windshield when you're behind that mini-van!

LOL

24 posted on 02/02/2012 6:14:36 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: TSgt

I don’t smoke anymore but if I did and wanted to smoke in my car I would and I do not give a F___ about the law. I am really tired of all this government BS.


25 posted on 02/02/2012 6:19:51 AM PST by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ohio Ping!


26 posted on 02/02/2012 6:19:54 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: traditional1
You don't live near me....I don't discard my smokes out the window; that's what ashtrays are for.

You are the exception to the rule.
27 posted on 02/02/2012 6:22:55 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

I have never smoked, but darn if this doesn’t make me want to light up! Light bulbs, market bags, smoking inside your OWN car — by cracky, you’d think they were dictators. You’d think THEY thought they were dictators. We the People need to remind those who work for us - again - of OUR rights.


28 posted on 02/02/2012 6:38:24 AM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: TSgt

I have never smoked, but darn if this doesn’t make me want to light up! Light bulbs, market bags, smoking inside your OWN car — by cracky, you’d think they were dictators. You’d think THEY thought they were dictators. We the People need to remind those who work for us - again - of OUR rights.


29 posted on 02/02/2012 6:38:35 AM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: TSgt

As an Ohio resident, my memory says we have a republican senate. This will be informative.

I don’t need a daddy to tell me how much water to flush, what lightbulb to buy, and when I can smoke.

If concerned citizens want to get the data out, and if smart people heed it, and if dumb people don’t, then such is life, but freedom is then preserved.


30 posted on 02/02/2012 6:44:09 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: TSgt
...smoke inside cars is especially dangerous because the space makes the smoke much more concentrated...

Just how does this statist back up that claim? Cars in Ohio do not have windows? And why limit the tyranny to kids 6 and under?

31 posted on 02/02/2012 6:49:55 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: traditional1
OTOH, 1/4"x1" cigarette butts disfigure the landscape a lot less than an 8"x3" coffee cup, or a 6"x6" Big Mac wrapper and box......

Took the words right out of my mouth. :)

32 posted on 02/02/2012 7:11:34 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: TSgt

Warning bells when they claim that it is FOR THE CHILDREN. World Health Organization study regarding second hand smoke states: The only statistically significant number was a decrease in the risk of lung cancer among the children of smokers. DaveHitt.com/facts/who has an excellent breakdown of findings.


33 posted on 02/02/2012 7:29:08 AM PST by ipreferlogic (Legislate not from emotion)
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To: TSgt

I puff on ceegars, and never do that. To see cigarette smokers do that really p..sses me off!!


34 posted on 02/02/2012 9:15:44 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: LaineyDee

“...cigarette butts disfigure the landscape a lot less than...”

True, but they still do. And it’s just being a slob to toss anything on the ground rather than the trash can.


35 posted on 02/02/2012 9:20:58 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Whenifhow; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; ...

Ohio pings..


36 posted on 02/02/2012 2:30:42 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave (0-bozo "must be defeated" !)
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To: SgtHooper
And it’s just being a slob to toss anything on the ground rather than the trash can.

I agree...which is why I use an ashtray.

37 posted on 02/02/2012 3:57:06 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: AnglePark
And the smoker who doesn't throw his butts to the ground is the exception, rather than the rule. I've witnessed every smoker I've ever known throw a butt down

I'm a former smoker. Possibly more considerate than most.

But consider in the last several years, public ashtrays all but disappeared. Putting a cigarette butt in an outdoor trash receptacle is a dangerous practice - it could easily start a fire. You can't bring the butts inside anymore to dispose of them - the smoke nazis would raise holy hell from the smell.

Sadly, the only option is to toss them on the ground.

For most smokers, the only place they can smoke without offending someone, somewhere, is their car. If they're the only driver, the ashtray is an option, but assuredly if they are not, other non-smoking drivers will find the scent of cigarette butts in an ashtray offensive - the residual smell of smoking is bad enough, but old butts are far worse.

I'm not excusing the behavior, or condoning smoking. Most smokers earnestly want to quit - usually after it's too late to easily do so. They don't want to litter on top of it, but these days, given all the ways a smoker runs afoul of someone's sensibilities, butt littering is probably the least of several evils they have to choose between.
38 posted on 02/02/2012 6:01:29 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser
...butt littering is probably the least of several evils they have to choose between.

Not to me, it's not -- I have to pick the damned things up, dozens every week.

People have the right to smoke, but they don't have the right to throw their butts to the ground. A smoker's habit should never become someone else's problem -- no way, no how.

Disrespect for my property is the least of my worries, because the possibility of property destruction by fire always remains. My brother is a firefighter, and he's often called out for brush fires, started by a cigarette butt. Who pays for that?

If you're a smoker carry something with you to dispose of your butts -- it's your responsibility, no one elses. If you're in your car the ashtray is the ONLY option, not just "an option."

Sadly, the only option is to toss them on the ground.

I'd say I'm surprised by that statement -- especially from a FReeper -- but nothing surprises me any longer. Somehow, folks from all walks of life seem to find justification for unacceptable behavior.

39 posted on 02/03/2012 6:45:29 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: traditional1
OTOH, 1/4"x1" cigarette butts disfigure the landscape a lot less than an 8"x3" coffee cup, or a 6"x6" Big Mac wrapper and box...

Not true. Littering is littering, no matter how small, but I've never seen a Big Mac wrapper or coffee cup burn thousands of acres of land, destroying property and lives along the way.

40 posted on 02/03/2012 7:35:48 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: AnglePark
"Littering is littering, no matter how small, but I've never seen a Big Mac wrapper or coffee cup burn thousands of acres of land, destroying property and lives along the way."

Cigarettes are self-extinguishing now, if you're not aware, and the multi-thousand acre forest fires are usually from eco-nut backpackers and woodsy types who don't know how to handle a campfire. They walk away from a pile of hot coals, chewing their granola bars in the woods that are over-grown because of anti-logging environmental rules, and then set thousands of acres on fire. The other major cause of forest fires is lightning, once again burning out of control due to anti-logging/overgrown forests.

41 posted on 02/03/2012 8:32:03 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: traditional1

When I go to the range I police my brass. Why? Because it’s the rule of the range, and a courtesy to others. It’s not even the law — just the rule of the range, but I do it each and every time, no matter how many rounds I send down range. Doing the right thing — especially when it’s the law — shouldn’t be so damned difficult.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/03/massive-apartment-blaze-sparked-by-cigarette

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/12/23/despite-2008-law-fires-started-by-cigarettes-still-a-problem/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi73wo_a-cigarette-butt-caused-a-brush-fire-in-big-flats_news

http://www.mywesttexas.com/special_report/fire_breaches_city_limits/article_38f81346-867b-11e0-97ee-001cc4c03286.html

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-wildfire-that-burned-350-acres-started-with-cigarette/article/3544801

http://www.news-journal.com/news/cigarette-causes-acre-gregg-county-fire-officials-say/article_41720868-d1cd-11e0-943b-001cc4c03286.html

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/east-volusia/2012/01/15/officials-discarded-cigarette-sparked-blaze-near-ormond.html


42 posted on 02/03/2012 8:58:18 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: AnglePark
I'd say I'm surprised by that statement -- especially from a FReeper -- but nothing surprises me any longer. Somehow, folks from all walks of life seem to find justification for unacceptable behavior.

I don't know how you got that from what I wrote. Options are options. Their "unacceptability" is dependent not on whether the option is feasible, but is rather a matter of law, regulation or custom and how the combinations of those add up in comparison to other options.

I sympathize with having to pick up butts. I have to do it too - I live on a corner in front of a stop light. I'd argue it's even worse for me, since every one I pick up makes me want to buy a pack of cigarettes and pick up the habit again.

But, just for a second, put yourself in the position of a smoker. You're addicted. Yes, you knew it would happen, but that doesn't change the fact that you are. You need a cigarette. Yes, you read that right, you need it. Just as surely as a heroin or crack addict needs it, except tobacco is still legal and still subsidized by your tax dollars.

You can't smoke indoors anywhere except maybe at home if you own the place and you're single. But for the vast majority of people, most of your waking hours are spent at work or driving to/from work. You can't smoke outside in most places. Those places you can smoke are generally on the sidewalk near some out-of-the-way doorway, or a loading dock. These days, you often have to walk down to the corner so you're no longer on company property or near a doorway due to legal restrictions. Or you can smoke in your car - of course not on company property or even in many public places.

Once you've finished your cigarette, what do you do with the butt? Firstly, you have to be exceptionally careful that you extinguish it unless there's a proper ash tray around (chances of which are between slim and none in 21st century America). You can't squeeze it between your fingers, or use your clothes. The only practical place is to drop it on the ground and crush it with your shoe. But that's only enough to put it out - that's not enough to make it safe to put near other flammable material.

So what do you do with it?

Well, you can't put it in your pocket. It will make your clothes smell even worse than they do when you smoke and it is certain that someone will complain. Plus if it isn't completely out you'll burn a hole in your pocket. You can't carry it anywhere indoors, and most places outdoors. Having the thing in your hand, lit or not, is enough for you to be violating smoking laws/rules/regulations or generate a complaint from someone. You can't throw it in a trash receptacle unless you are absolutely certain that it can't start a fire - and the only way to do that is to have a source of water present. The only place where there are trash receptacles and water present, generally speaking, is inside a building, but good luck putting a cigarette butt in the trash there - someone will complain about the smell even if you put the thing in a zip lock bag (I've tried it). And here's a fun fact, soaking a butt in water makes it stink about 10x worse than when it's dry.

Even if you buy a decent ash tray, you won't be able to keep it outside - it will either be stolen, or your employer will not allow it (I've had both happen). If you bring an ashtray out with you, you won't be able to bring it back inside (because of the smell - even if you wash it - I tried). Even if you could use an ashtray, you still have to empty it somewhere.

Very few businesses besides retail have trash receptacles outside anyway of any sort, even if you did bring a bottle of water to soak the butt when you're done.

Frankly, if you do anything responsible with that butt, somebody, somewhere will complain - and loudly. It's sad but true that doing the least responsible thing generates the least amount of pushback from the general public. I don't know why it is, but it is.

Let's put this in perspective. Cigarette butts are biodgradeable (although the filters do take awhile). They aren't radioactive waste, or plastic bags, or even the nuisance that fallen leaves can be. Smokers aren't mugging you or robbing a bank to feed their habit. They aren't pushing it on your children to make a profit to support their habit. For the most part they can't stop smoking and they don't want to bother non-smokers.

But in our zeal to stop smoking (a zeal that we have yet to find for illegal substances, BTW) we have so marginalized smokers that they are in a near-impossible position. No matter how a smoker tries to accomodate the ever-expanding list of restrictions on smoking, it seems that someone, somewhere is P.O.d about them, whether merited or not. Of course, that's the point isn't it? We don't have the courage to make tobacco illegal. Well, when we've gone and made every option unacceptable, it shouldn't surprise anyone that smokers chose the least unacceptable one that allows them to feed their habit - and the least unacceptable option for disposing of a cigarette butt is to toss it on the ground. Compared to dropping it in the trash where it could cause a fire, it's actually more reponsible, sadly, at least in those places where the climate or landscape doesn't favor brush or forest fires.

I guess there are three ways to stop the butt dropping. The easiest would be to lighten up on the regulations that prevent smokers and their employers/guests from making some small accomodation to smokers to allow them to act responsibly. Good luck with that.

The hardest would be to just make tobacco illegal. Good luck with that.

The most likely will be some sort of crackdown on cigarette butt littering. without providing any other viable options. Since I'm not a smoker anymore, I'll be watching that likely outcome with bemused interest, especially as the incidences of trash fires and car fires mysteriously increase.

Since you feel so strongly about cigarette butt disposal, what is your suggestion for disposing of them since everywhere inside is off limits and everywhere outside is either not available, dangerous, or prohibited?

BTW, putting them in the ashtray of the car only delays most of the same problems to another time or place. You still can't empty that ashtray just anywhere, and if it gets too full, you can start a fire in your car - for most people, their most valuable or second most valuable asset. In a crowded parking lot/garage, you can bet it wouldn't just be one car that burned either.

I'm in my mid 40s. When I started smoking in my 20s, I never tossed a butt on the ground. There was always an ashtray or receptacle available, or I could just bring the butt inside, run it under a faucet and toss it in the trash. I stopped smoking several years ago, but by then it was already a fools errand trying to comply with the ever changing group of restrictions, and by then, I was in the same position most smokers are today where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
43 posted on 02/03/2012 9:02:55 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser

I understand — I have a pesky eating habit, and I LOVE fish with garlic and onions — LOTS of ‘em, with stinky sauces and seasonings. And I usually wipe my hands on my pants.

Do you realize what cumin, curry, garlic, onions and fish do to a car, house or clothing? Or to me on a hot day when I sweat?! But I gotta eat, or I’ll actually DIE!

I don’t want to store the leftover food, stinky bags and wrappers in MY car — that’s disgusting, especially after it’s been there for a day or two. And can you imagine the field mice that will nest in my car after a while?! It’s a veritable buffet for them!

My coworkers don’t want to smell that stinky mess, so I can’t throw it in the trash at the office. It’s unbelievable what folks will complain about!

My wife can’t stand the smell either, so I can’t take the trash home. And if I do, the dog or cat may tip the can, and then it ends up all over my beautiful house. What a nasty mess! And, again, the mice and roaches... ugh! It’s a health hazard, for crying out loud!

My only option is to toss the garbage out the window...


44 posted on 02/03/2012 9:47:26 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: AnglePark

When your fish causes a fire, we can talk about equivalency.


45 posted on 02/03/2012 11:12:52 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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And by the way, when I say "complain" I'm not merely talking about voicing displeasure.

I'm also talking about calling the state hotline:



The reason there are no ashtrays are also due to state law:

http://www.elyriahealth.com/about/announcements.shtml

"On November 7, 2006 the voting public passed into law legislation which provides for smoke free workplaces and smoke free public places. This law went into effect on December 7, 2006.

These guidelines have been developed by the Ohio Department of Health to provide 3 simple steps to help you comply with the new law as required on December 7, 2006. These steps are:

1. Begin prohibiting smoking in any public place or place of employment as of December 7, 2006. This includes areas adjacent to means of egress and ingress to your facility.

2. Removing all ashtrays and other receptacles used for disposing of smoking materials from any area where smoking is prohibited by the statute.

3. Posting of conspicuous signage in every public place and place of employment where smoking is prohibited, including at each entrance. The statute requires these signs to say "No Smoking" or have the international symbol for "No Smoking" (consisting of a pictorial representation of a burning cigarette enclosed in a red circle with a red bar across it. These signs must be clearly legible and MUST include the toll free number for reporting violations"



So here in my state, you are prohibited from smoking at work, or anywhere near the doorways, and your employer is prohibited from providing any safe means of disposing of the butts to employees on their way back or visitors on their way in.

Likewise, a business like a bar, restaurant or retail establishment is prohibited from allowing smoking in their facility and is also prohibited from supplying responsible means for smoking customers to extinguish their cigarettes on the way into their facility.

You can imagine, in this kind of atmosphere with state-encouraged public snitching, that no business is going to let an employee or customer put a cigarette in their trash and certainly not empty an ashtray into their trash and risk a visit from the smoke Nazi's because some busybody got a whif of burnt tobacco leaf.
46 posted on 02/03/2012 11:36:33 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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If YOUR car burns because you didn't extinguish YOUR cigarette, too bad. It's YOUR car, and YOUR responsibility.

If YOUR house burns because you didn't extinguish YOUR cigarette, too bad. It's YOUR house.

If those are the only places you can dispose of YOUR cigarette butts, that's too bad -- that's where they need to be disposed.

If you have to carry YOUR butt until you find a proper place to dispose of it, DO IT!

It's YOUR responsibility as a smoker, no matter how inconvenient it may be for you. I don't care if you have to chew and swallow the damned thing -- it's YOURS, and your responsibility alone to properly dispose of it.

Good grief -- personal responsibility no longer exists in this country.

47 posted on 02/03/2012 11:54:50 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: TSgt
Charleta B. Tavares (D-Columbus) is proud to join the Ohio Senate to represent Columbus and the 15th District. She is a committed public servant who served as a member of Columbus City Council from 1999 to 2010. Prior to joining Council, Tavares left a legacy for the citizens of Ohio during her 5 ½ year tenure in the Ohio General Assembly as the State Representative in the 22nd House District. Tavares was the first African-American female to serve in the state legislature from Franklin County and the first African-American woman ever to hold a leadership position in the Ohio General Assembly.
02.10.2011 Senator Tavares Presents Testimony for Bill That Provides Tax Credit to Employers Who Hire Ex-felons Columbus - State Senator Charleta B. Tavares presented sponsor testimony to the Senate Ways and Means and Economic Development Committee for Senate Bill 58

Reading Tavares' bio that you posted reminded me of John Corby on his WTVN afternoon radio show yesterday. He was commenting on this piece of legislation when he off-handedly called Tavares a retread. Corby and his sidekick, Joe Bradley, decided that for all of her positions and titles and her overall lack of accomplishment, Tavares' appropriate nickname would be "Retread."

I agree.

48 posted on 02/03/2012 12:15:25 PM PST by Ghengis
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To: AnglePark
Wow.

YOU can read, can't you? I DON'T SMOKE!

I have to ask, do you really think a house fire or a car fire has no consequences for anyone other than the owner?

YOU do know how insurance works, don't you?

YOU do park next to other cars, don't you?

YOU pay taxes for fire and police, don't you?

YOU or one of your loved ones lives or have lived in an apartment or a duplex or a house close enough to the neighbor that fire could easily spread?

Smokers used to exercise personal responsibility as a habit, until it was made illegal and impractical. The unintended consequence was you have to pick up little pieces of paper, but you'd prefer more loss of property and life to other innocent people as collateral damage, as long as a few smokers get taken out first.

Glad to see you're taking the moral high ground.

I guess it'd be crazy to suggest we let smokers have an occassional ash tray without triggering a lawsuit or citation, rather than encouraging them to accidentally burn down their property and that of others?
49 posted on 02/03/2012 12:17:01 PM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: chrisser

Those signs are everywhere in Ohio I’m in Perry County There was also talk of passing smoke free Apartment building laws in Ohio. Smoke free home laws with Children under a certain age. The ciggy nazi’s are bad here.


50 posted on 02/03/2012 12:19:35 PM PST by StPaulRevert
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