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How Latinos Won the Race Back to Pre-Recession Employment
The Atlantic ^ | February 6, 2012 | Derek Thompson

Posted on 02/06/2012 11:55:54 AM PST by C19fan

Although Latinos make up only a seventh of the population, they have "racked up half the employment gains posted since the economy began adding jobs in early 2010", the Los Angeles Times reported this morning. In 2011, the trend accelerated. Of the 2.3 million jobs added in 2011 according to the Household Survey of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1.4 million, or 60 percent, were won by Latinos.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aliens; charlesmurray; comingapart; gagdadbob; immigration; latinos; onecosmosblog
Willard's buddies love their cheap foreign labor. Newt is just as bad. (I do not believe Romney's supposed tough on illegal immigration talk)
1 posted on 02/06/2012 11:56:06 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Also, if many of them have self-deported, they’re smaller numbers will show an increased recovery.


2 posted on 02/06/2012 11:58:33 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: C19fan

where I live in Texas, the only people you can hire that will actually work are hispanics (physical labor)

everyone white is on drugs and wants to spend the entire day taking smoking breaks or counting their tatoos and piercings.

I pay $100 a day, so it’s not about saving money it’s about getting people who will actually work.


3 posted on 02/06/2012 12:04:45 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I am sure it helps businesses avoid those nasty employer taxes as well. The cost of hiring a citizen is a bit much these days.


4 posted on 02/06/2012 12:09:38 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: momincombatboots

to me personally it’s far more about the hassle of the paperwork than the cost.


5 posted on 02/06/2012 12:13:11 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: C19fan

Considering how many Chrysler product units are made in Mexico (and Canada), maybe Clint ought to forget about half time in Detroit and find some full time hard working employees from Mexico.


6 posted on 02/06/2012 12:14:34 PM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: C19fan

Errr...maybe they work hard and actually show up for the job and are not stoned when they’re there? That’s a novel idea!

All the whites and the blacks in my neck of the woods who might take lower end jobs are (a) too busy making or using meth or even simply permastoned on grass, or (b) if they want to get a job other than a laborer’s job, they don’t have a driver’s license anymore and they can’t pass a background check.

We had a great job at a local place, not lavishly paid but okay, with good working conditions and schedule, and requiring only basic skills... and they got virtually no applicants. And of the tiny handful, only 1 could pass the background check, and he wasn’t up to the job physically because he was too fat and lasted only one week (there were a lot of stairs involved).

A friend of mine had a useless, drug-using boyfriend who was offered a job that required hard work and he refused it because he said “only a Mexican would take a job like that.”

Also, the Latinos have better educational skills than our welfare generation. Most of them can do basic math and can read (at least in Spanish), which is something our schools haven’t trained anybody to do.


7 posted on 02/06/2012 12:16:43 PM PST by livius
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Why does it take less paperwork hassle to hire ‘hispanic’ employees than ‘white’ employees?


8 posted on 02/06/2012 12:17:14 PM PST by posterchild (I'm old enough to remember when journalists bothered to look things up on wikipedia.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I am sure it is in triplicate. Hey that sounds like another job that lazy, stupid Americans just aren’t doing.


9 posted on 02/06/2012 12:19:34 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: posterchild

because I don’t hire them, I use them occationally for day labor


10 posted on 02/06/2012 12:25:01 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Anything I need done on a regular basis I subcontract out to others (usually legal Hispanics business owners) so I don't have to deal with the paperwork headache associated with hiring someone directly.

But I also need odd jobs done occasionally and I give those to whoever shows up asking that looks like they aren't strung out on drugs, rob me blind, and will actually WORK. Heck I would MUCH rather hire someone I can actually speak English to but I see one white guy for every 100 Hispanics that come around and the one white guy usually looks like he just put down his drugs minutes before stumbling to my door.

11 posted on 02/06/2012 12:32:57 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: C19fan

If it touts economic gains... IT IS A LIE!

LLS


12 posted on 02/06/2012 12:36:20 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
everyone white is on drugs and wants to spend the entire day taking smoking breaks or counting their tatoos and piercings.

Another racist post from TexasFreeper2009

13 posted on 02/06/2012 12:39:58 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; TexasFreeper2009

It’s not racist. Texas Freeper is absolutely right.

We have some big problems with our labor force here.

We have some people who feel they’re “too good” to take just any old job, and we have others who our state schools have left so ignorant and unskilled that they have nothing to offer...and we have a huge problem with the latter group getting discouraged and spending most of their (probably short) lives sponging off the women and children in their families who can collect welfare and selling drugs on the side.

Also, so many people are now growing up in this culture that most of them have been arrested several times before they even drop out of high school (for DUI, drug offenses, or petty burglary and assault) that they can’t get a job that requires a background check. And many of them have lost their DL and thus are useless for a lot of jobs.

We have a serious problem in this country and we’d better start addressing it. And it’s not the fact that immigrants can get jobs; they’d get them anyway, because we have more jobs than we have young people. But the thing that is really sad is that our native born young people can’t even qualify for most of these jobs, whether because of their lack of skills, their arrest records, or their government-supported laziness.


14 posted on 02/06/2012 12:57:06 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Oh, well, then it’s a good thing the ILLEGALS can pass a background check and have a valid driver’s license.


15 posted on 02/06/2012 1:10:48 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: C19fan

where I live in Texas, the only people you can hire that will actually work are hispanics (physical labor)

everyone white is on drugs and wants to spend the entire day taking smoking breaks or counting their tatoos and piercings.

I pay $100 a day, so it’s not about saving money it’s about getting people who will actually work.

You must NOT live in Houston. Take a trip enter Southwest Houston, you do so at your own risk, illegals live in many apt’s in Southwest Houston, of late, there have been drug deals gone bad, drive by shooting, drunk driving, drug dealers, hit and runs.Same goes for South East Houston, North West Houston, even Katy Tx has ongoing problems with illegals, for where there are large populations of illegals, there are higher rates of crime. If you are paying $ 100 a day, for what kind of employment and how much taxes are being withheld,what happens when illegals are hurt on the job, do you tell illegals go to the nearest ER to receive free medical care as no healthcare plan provided here.
It’s all about finding short cuts, no benefits, no retirement plan, no knowledge of osha laws and regulations, increase of drivers on our roads with no licence and insurance,when fatal accidents happens, the illegals never have to pay for any damages,pain and suffering, replacement cars, your $ 100 a day, does not carry over to what it costs the taxpayers to provide services to illegals, you do not provide.All around Houston I see Mexican day labors , the property landscape is dying, and a lot of day labors hanging around, if they do not work they drink beer, they make cat calls at women,They call women mommy, they use the restroom outside. But you praise them as hardworkers, clearly you do not venture very far into Houston.Try going into some of these areas at 3 am and see what happens.


16 posted on 02/06/2012 1:25:47 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: TexasFreeper2009
because I don’t hire them, I use them occationally for day labor

Which translates into "I violate federal law by using illegal alien labor".

17 posted on 02/06/2012 2:00:00 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.

He Sounds like ‘i didn’t inhale’.. ‘i never had sexual relations with that woman .


18 posted on 02/06/2012 2:09:46 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: livius

Move to Mexico. You can get all the el cheapo labor you want. AMF.


19 posted on 02/06/2012 2:17:46 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

lol

I’m not racist, in fact I about as lilly white as it comes.

but I am just relating my personal experience.

Would I prefer to hire someone I can actually speak to in English? heck yeah!

would I turn away anyone white that looked honest and was willing and able to work hard? not in a million years.

What I am saying is in my personal experience in the area of Texas that I live in (for kind of work I have to offer) I just don’t come accross that many young white men who are willing to do it. The type of work I am talking about is sort of construction/handyman type stuff.

I am sure there are 1,000’s of highly qualified young white men within a few miles of where I live that need a job. But they obviously don’t want to do the type of work I have to offer that’s dirty, sweaty and sometimes nasty and dangerous.


20 posted on 02/06/2012 2:35:36 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You wrote: “where I live in Texas, the only people you can hire that will actually work are hispanics (physical labor)
everyone white is on drugs and wants to spend the entire day taking smoking breaks or counting their tatoos and piercings.I pay $100 a day, so it’s not about saving money it’s about getting people who will actually work.”

You may be interested in knowing that Charles Murray, in his new book, backs you up on your observations:

Amazon.com:

Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 Publication Date: January 31, 2012

Charles Murray, the bestselling author of Losing Ground and The Bell Curve, this startling long-lens view shows how America is coming apart at the seams that historically have joined our classes.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307453421/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=onecos-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0307453421&adid=0WMHW2Y3JQPHGQWZNXQ3&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fonecosmos.blogspot.com%2F

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WSJ
February 4, 2012, 5:07 PM
Charles Murray Answers Questions on America’s Growing Class Divide
http://blogs.wsj.com/ideas-market/2012/02/04/charles-murray-answers-questions-on-americas-growing-class-divide/?KEYWORDS=Demetria+Gallegos

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Friday, February 03, 2012
Government Of, By, and For the Ungovernable
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2012/02/government-of-by-and-for-ungovernable.html

“[O]ur topic.. involves the limits of freedom. Much of Charles Murray’s Coming Apart — which is a must read — revolves around the same subject, which ultimately comes down to the question of how a people can remain free if they reject the virtues — i.e., the intrinsic limits — that undergird the very possibility of freedom.

Murray cites various founders and foreign observers who were acutely aware of this. Indeed, in order to not know it, you must have either attended graduate school or else be among the underclass victims of the toxic ideology of our academic elites.

This is indeed one of the striking conclusions of the book, that our elites, instead of preaching what they practice — i.e., the behaviors and attitudes that resulted in their own success — preach exactly the opposite. In THE NEW CLASS: PROFITING FROM DECLINE [ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/02/the-new-class-profiting-from-decline.php ], PowerLine links to a piece at Falkenblog [ http://www.falkenblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/charles-murray-reiterates-willpower.html ] that relieves me of the need to lay the foundation:

“Murray argues the well-off should set a better example by not apologizing for their squareness, but rather, by advocating their lifestyle and scorning those who fail to live up to it — we need more of what is usually called ‘blaming the victim.’”

Nevertheless, the lower classes never stop hearing of “how great it is to be a victim, how noble it is to be poor, powerless, or discriminated [against]; to be wronged is the ultimate in righteousness.” But this is not something our hyper status-conscious elites would ever indulge in themselves:

“Alas, successful people are ashamed to assert they have better genetics, values, and habits — even though they quietly believe it to be true — and so are content to let the media and intellectuals push the delusional idea that success is like when Paris Hilton had sex on a digital camera and built a career out of it: luck, connections, and chutzpah, but no discipline, ingenuity, and perseverence. With such examples it becomes defensible to suggest most of the rich are like that — mere lucky hacks in the game of life. The flip side is that those who are unsuccessful are suffering for no fault of their own” (Falkenstein).

Speaking of Falkenstein’s monster, the whole thing is a weird and twisted academic experiment in reverse-prometheanism: a misguided attempt to make man better by making him worse, or transcendence via regression.

I know many successful liberals who are full of covert (and not so covert) narcissistic superiority, which they deny through assimilation of the liberal sensibility described above. There is nothing empathic or compassionate about them. They live their own lives in a conservative, even blandly bourgeois, manner, and yet, advocate an entirely different set of values for the unsuccessful.

These unsuccessful victims of someone else’s success function only as props in the liberal’s personal psychodrama. They have no interest whatsoever in understanding the actual behaviors that result in poverty or in success. Indeed, they need the poor in order to elevate themselves, which helps explain their dogged adherence to policies that are guaranteed to create more of them.

Murray attempts to distill the cardinal virtues that resulted in America’s unprecedented success — which for him are marriage, industriousness, honesty, and religiosity — and in so doing, show how unique they were to America.

In fact, this is something everyone once knew, both here and abroad. He cites an example from 1825, when a European observer wrote that “no government could be established on the same principle as that of the United States, with a different code of morals.”

Furthermore, our Constitution “can only suffice a people habitually correct in their actions, and would be utterly inadequate to the wants of a different nation. Change the domestic habits of the Americans, their religious devotion, and their respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government” (Francis Grund, emphasis mine).

How extraordinarily prescient! Yes, the ACLU is a strict adherent to the Constitution — the perverse Constitution that results from a complete rejection of the spirit and values that inspired it.

Murray cites various founders, such as Madison: “To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people is a chimerical idea.”

Franklin: “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

Patrick Henry: “bad men cannot make good citizens.... No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue.”

Tocqueville: “travelers who have visited North America.... all agree in remarking that morals are far more strict there than elsewhere.”

Even Jefferson (not that his erratic thought process should hold any particular weight, except that he seems to be the perennial favorite of the adultolescent left): “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?”

One could go on and on. The point is, self-government requires first and foremost government of oneself. But with the symbolic ascendence of Obama, we have reached the dangerous tipping point of a government of, by, and for the ungovernable. Or, perhaps of the insufferable over the ungovernable, the former enabling the latter with a poisonous and destructive ideology that is guaranteed to produce more of the victims that justify the ideology.

Again, all of the above goes to the ninth of our Ten Universal Principles, which concerns the limits of freedom.

[ ] [ ]

Ten Universal Principles: A Brief Philosophy of the Life Issues [Paperback]
Robert J. Spitzer (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1586174754?ie=UTF8&tag=onecos-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=1586174754

[ ] [ ]

I couldn’t possibly express it more clearly than Tocqueville, who is quoted by Murray:

“Thus, while the law permits the Americans to do what they please, religion prevents them from” doing so. The latter “must be regarded as the first of their political institutions,” for “Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other.”

But as we have said before, leftism is quintessentially “the possibility of the impossible,” endeavoring always to bring about what can never be, through ideas and principles that should never have been.

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Falkenblog
Wednesday, February 01, 2012
Charles Murray Reiterates Willpower
http://www.falkenblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/charles-murray-reiterates-willpower.html

I really liked Tierney and Baumeister’s book Willpower. Their argument is that willpower is a very useful skill, one that like a muscle tires when used, but can be strengthened through repetition. We should all practice daily acts of self-control to become more productive.

Charles Murray’s latest book Coming Apart addresses the same theme, noting that society is splitting up into classes based on their abilities, which are highly driven by bourgeois values. Over the past 50 years, the working class have lost their industriousness, honesty, religion, and respect for marriage, and he presents a bunch of data to bolster this argument (eg, less than 5% of college educated white women have children out of wedlock, but 40% of white women without college do).

This book is a straightforward extension of the main arguments in his two prior best sellers, where in Losing Ground he argued that the Welfare State is destructive to productivity and ethical development, and in The Bell Curve that society is sorting itself into a meritocratic class structure. By focusing on white people and that portion of individual skill amenable to environment—willpower—he tries to avoid issues of genetics and racial politics that were a large part of The Bell Curve commentary. ....”

[snip] bttt


21 posted on 02/06/2012 2:43:39 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The Texas propensity to adore the little brown cheap Mexican laborer, an attitude which you display so proudly, is the main reason why Perry did so poorly in the primary and why we will NEVER see another President from Texas again. Can’t be trusted.


22 posted on 02/06/2012 2:52:02 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I pay $100 a day cash, that’s not exactly cheap, and many days it’s just janator type work.

Like I said it’s not about the money, it’s about finding someone honest who is willing and able to do the work.


23 posted on 02/06/2012 3:00:26 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"I’m not racist, in fact I about as lilly white as it comes. but I am just relating my personal experience. ..."

Ironic, isn't it, that professing "conservatives" would be taking up the mantra of the Left. Especially when the "personal experience" you relate, is backed up with invincible statistics by Charles Murray, who "in his latest book Coming Apart, addresses the same theme.... Over the past 50 years, the working class have lost their industriousness, honesty, religion, and respect for marriage, and he presents a bunch of data to bolster this argument (eg, less than 5% of college educated white women have children out of wedlock, but 40% of white women without college do)...."

See my previous post to you. The DETAILS are there at the links.

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"Truly, "racism" has devolved to a word used by liberals when they have lost the argument." ~ Gagdad Bob

24 posted on 02/06/2012 3:04:58 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: central_va

Sorry, but that’s the truth. And they’re not paid poorly here, either.

There are good paying unskilled jobs going begging here because we don’t have any of our native population (black or white) that is willing or even able to take them.

That’s a problem with our educational system and our social standards (why should so many young men be blowing their brains out and ruining their future with drugs and petty crime?). We have to address that.


25 posted on 02/06/2012 3:05:26 PM PST by livius
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Like I said it’s not about the money, it’s about finding someone honest who is willing and able to do the work.

You run a corrupt (criminal) little cash day labor service using illegal alien labor and lament not being able to find "honest" cheap white labor. You are a disgusting person....

26 posted on 02/06/2012 3:08:30 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

lol

so if some guy comes and knocks on your door offering to mow your lawn... you check his immergration status, and fill out a W9 for him too? lol

right.


27 posted on 02/06/2012 3:17:35 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I cut my own grass. I don't need slaves to do my work.

Seal the border now so creeps like you can starve.

Here's hoping you go chapter 11 real soon partner.

28 posted on 02/06/2012 3:25:05 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
lol

ok, so the next time you get a leak in your roof or need to have some tiled layed I expect you to check each workers immigration status.

29 posted on 02/06/2012 3:27:47 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If I’m the guy hiring them directly - yes. (Along with getting their W2’s filled out).

If I hire a roofing company to put on the new roof (last year) - no I don’t. That is their responsibility.

I have hired white kids just out of college for part-time help and they have all been good workers. I have worked with Mexicans and they have also been good workers.

In the past at places I worked with manual labor, I was more impressed with the Mexicans than the whites.


30 posted on 02/06/2012 3:40:23 PM PST by 21twelve
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31 posted on 02/06/2012 3:42:18 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: 21twelve

Everyone I hire is an independent contractor no different than the roofing company you hire to fix your roof.


32 posted on 02/06/2012 4:05:55 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Matchett-PI

That Falkenstein guy has some good stuff on his blog.


33 posted on 02/06/2012 4:25:01 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Well then, as long as you send them a 1099 if they do more than six days of work for you you’re good to go.


34 posted on 02/06/2012 4:55:36 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Yardstick
"That Falkenstein guy has some good stuff on his blog."

He does.

35 posted on 02/06/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I lay my own tile and my roof has a 30 year guarantee.

You're a crook. a boastful one at that.

36 posted on 02/07/2012 1:18:59 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Did you really think Free Republic is a place where you would find friends that covort about exploiting an open border a slave labor practices? Really?


37 posted on 02/07/2012 1:22:51 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I live in Massachusetts, which as you know is a very welfare friendly state, but we still have lots of highschool kids working in the stores and supermarkets. A woman I know who moved up here from Texas says that you cannot find Americans working in the supermarket, it is all Mexicans. She also told me that people cannot leave anything outdoors or it will be stolen. She lived near El Paso which has a heavy Mexican population.


38 posted on 02/08/2012 9:49:17 AM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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