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The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
Time ^ | 2/7/2012 | Charles Murray

Posted on 02/07/2012 12:08:27 PM PST by mojito

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I’m jut guessing - but I’ll bet neither you nor any members of your family attended an “elite” university.

Not trying to be rude - but to me - it looks like you have little idea of the topic. Not introverted fantasy idea - I mean - real data, real experience.

How close am I?

51 posted on 02/07/2012 10:07:37 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I noticed that with some of the Facebook IPO coverage. NPR did a story on people who had been roommates with someone years ago, or who had spray-painted murals at Facebook HQ in the early days...this has always been the argument for the Ivies and other top-notch schools - it's not what you learn there, but the contacts you make - I don't think it's considered to be a matter of "luck", but rather that those contacts help you know where the good jobs are, know people on the "inside" who help land the jobs, help bring whatever particular skills you might have to the attention of potential employers, and so forth. Even in our so-called entertainment business these days I'm always amazed to learn how many stars are related to established players - John Voight's daughter, Broderick Crawford's son, Tim McGraw's son etc. With so much technical assistance like editing and pre-recording available again it's probably more the contacts one has to get into the business than raw talent that's important - only when the performance goes live, like say the Super Bowl Halftime Show, does the real dearth of class and ability show itself - otherwise as in the rest of the culture unfortunately it's not necessarily the most skilled, responsible and competent who make it, but those with the best contacts......
52 posted on 02/07/2012 10:08:04 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Is Northwestern or Stanford elite in your book? They’re not Ivy. Guess you’re right.

53 posted on 02/07/2012 10:29:50 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The elite used to view themselves as Americans. Wealthier and more successful than others, but still Americans. Now they view themselves as some altogether separate entity looking down their noses at us “bitter clingers”.

World citizens, visualizing world peace, diversity, thinking globally and acting locally and all that B.S.

54 posted on 02/08/2012 7:34:39 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Albion Wilde

“and you may tell yourself this is not my house, this is not my beautiful wife....”

Darn it! Now I have to go on You Tube and watch the video. I haven’t seen it in years.

55 posted on 02/08/2012 7:38:33 AM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: bvw

Very unlikely based on his previous work.

56 posted on 02/08/2012 2:19:35 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster; Eldon Tyrell
Thanks for your replies.

I give you two clues in support of my post:

(1) "Murray draws heavily from social-science data—described in multiple appendices that span nearly 100 pages" [note: text marking is my own] --

(2) Murray doesn't summarize his statistics in the article -- his summarizes his wishful conclusions in prejudicial, simplistic roll-ups and cartoon-like examples.

Not having the time to pursue this further, I'd bet he mischaracterized the very statistical data he references in that fulsome appendix.

57 posted on 02/08/2012 2:50:25 PM PST by bvw
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To: cynwoody

Thanks. You gave me new vocabulary to describe the grant-grubbing academics I so despise.

58 posted on 02/09/2012 11:47:30 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Eldon Tyrell
The VAST majority of Drs, Engineers, and scientists from these institutions are on your side. Some may be a bit squishy - but not “leftards”.

I noticed years ago that there is a trash line in the energy industry. By and large, line managements are made up of people with technical or land-management degrees, and CPA/MBA people among the financial support ranks.

But the people in New York who vet the companies' policy and portfolio choices are all financial pukes from liberal-arts or elite Ivy colleges, and never the twain do meet, except when the financial people are telling the energy outfits' boards to slash head counts, or "get big or get out", or whatever the financial pukes' flavor of the year is.

In the early 90's Chevron bucked the financial pukes and refused to slaughter their upstream staff -- and Value Line's analysts promptly tore them down for "hoarding staff" when they could have improved their per-share ROE by a few decimal points by throwing hundreds, thousands of talented professionals out the window. Chevron and Exxon were big enough to ignore the financial analysts, and prospered.

Ten years later it was all the other way around, and the financial types in the Street were telling financial-news outfits that the reason that energy-company project portfolios were so thin was that line managements hadn't done a good job of driving their staffs. Which was self-serving BS: the reason inventories were thin, was that they'd been slashed at the insistence of the geniuses in the Street, and the firms themselves had been skeletonized.

59 posted on 02/14/2012 4:34:42 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: ladyjane; GonzoGOP
He was already part of the elite even before he invented Facebook.

However, there are a bunch of guys who wrote the code that Zuckerburg used to launch facebook.

The filmic version attributes the idea for Facebook to a pair of Harvard rowing-team members (Brahmin brothers and legacies) and a lot of the elbow grease, as you say, to others whom Zuckerberg self-dealt out of the payoff, all of whom wound up suing Zuckerberg after their shares were diluted by his repeated financial refreshments of the original investment.

Or so the film version has it. Interesting the faces the filmmakers put in the picture, though.

60 posted on 02/14/2012 4:44:08 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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Unfortunately, the Ivies no longer admit nor promote based on merit but on ‘diversity.’

As you point out, this is a co-optation move, an attempt to stay in front of the dissemination of powerful ideas and technologies, to co-opt the leaderships of the societies that will grow in power and capability and prosperity by adopting them. They want to make sure the clerisy populations in other countries and in outgroup communities within the United States all have influential ringknockers they can go to, to pull a string when needed.

61 posted on 02/14/2012 4:49:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: mojito


62 posted on 02/14/2012 4:50:32 AM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I live in a nice town. I know a lot of families who are grooming their children to the Rulers Of The Universe. The kids are not especially bright or especially talented. They are just like anyone else. But they attend nice schools, their families know certain people, doors are opened for them, and they will clearly grow up and have their hands on the levers of power. And, overwhelmingly, they will think, "How did I get here? I don't really deserve this." And that's how guilty Liberals are created.

I don't think it's guilt that drives them -- it's insecurity.

They realize that there are people in the middle class who are much smarter than them. So how do they make their positions (and their kids positions) more secure against competition from middle-class kids who may try to displace or supplant them?

Step one is to cripple the public school system, so that the smartest kids are never really educated to their full potential.

Step two is to create a maze of rules and regulations, so that it is harder to become wealthy if you are not connected into the network of people who understand the complexities, know all the loopholes, and have long-term relationships with the politicians who have the power to create exemptions to the rules, in exchange for a return favor at a later date.

Step three is affirmative action -- create a class of people dependent on the continuation of the big-government system that the upper class controls so well.

63 posted on 02/14/2012 4:55:30 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: July4

The new upper class are the people who deposited all of our tax dollars via the bailout into their bank accounts. That’s why we are angry at them. “Hank” didn’t get millions of dollars in bailout money. That’s the difference. Hank isn’t a self-entitled, manipulative, greedy a$$hole.

64 posted on 02/14/2012 5:01:51 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: mojito
I have no animosity towards anyone who got rich through his own efforts. As long as it was legal.

The people I despise are government bureaucrats who are living like kings off their fellow citizens.

65 posted on 02/14/2012 5:11:38 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: JerseyHighlander
We see in Greece this week what happens when the entrenchments collapse inward. In my life we’ll see the same in the USA unfortunately for all of us.

I suspect that many of the rioting "anarchist" young people are the children of government bureaucrats who are still dependent upon their parents and had ideas of joining the governmental ruling elite. They are now VERY upset at the idea of having to reduce government spending (and thus government power).

66 posted on 02/14/2012 5:26:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: SaraJohnson

I LIKE the way you think.

67 posted on 05/27/2015 9:54:31 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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Ooh wow, great smackdown. That was so satisfying to read. And I enjoyed your post.

68 posted on 05/27/2015 10:02:10 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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