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Santorum moves ahead in Michigan (Santorum 39, Romney 24, Paul 12, Gingrich 11)
Public Policy Polling ^ | 2/13/12 | staff

Posted on 02/13/2012 8:12:57 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009

Rick Santorum's taken a large lead in Michigan's upcoming Republican primary. He's at 39% to 24% for Mitt Romney, 12% for Ron Paul, and 11% for Newt Gingrich.

Santorum's rise is attributable to two major factors: his own personal popularity (a stellar 67/23 favorability) and GOP voters increasingly souring on Gingrich. Santorum's becoming something closer and closer to a consensus conservative candidate as Gingrich bleeds support.

Santorum's winning an outright majority of the Tea Party vote with 53% to 22% for Romney and 10% for Gingrich. He comes close to one with Evangelicals as well at 48% to 20% for Romney and 12% for Gingrich. And he cracks the 50% line with voters identifying as 'very conservative' at 51% to 20% for Romney and 10% for Gingrich.

Santorum's benefiting from the open nature of Michigan's primary as well. He's only up by 12 points with actual Republican voters, but he has a 40-21 advantage with the Democrats and independents planning to vote that pushes his overall lead up to 15 points. Santorum is winning by a healthy margin in every region of the state except for Oakland County, where Romney has a 40-26 advantage, and the area around Lansing where Paul actually has an advantage at 30% to 27% for both Romney and Santorum.

(Excerpt) Read more at publicpolicypolling.com ...


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“Three Reasons Santorum Will Lose Against Obama

First, His views on libertarians: Rick Santorum has said he hates the “radical individualism” of libertarianism and will do anything to keep it out of the conservative movement. Ron Paul voters and some tea party folks are going to be hard pressed to hear that. They’ll probably support likely libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, a popular two term former New Mexico governor over a one term senator who lost his re-election bid by 18 points. Libertarians have to become part of our coalition or we start losing elections. We don’t have to embrace everything they stand for, just like the mainstream conservative movement doesn’t accept all of neoconservatism or any other strain of conservatism, but we’ve got to recognize, in some ways, they’re right and we’ve got enough commonalities that building a coalition at this point is actually an incredibly positive thing, especially as more younger voters with right-leaning views will probably subscribe to aspects of libertarianism, as it allows for more liberal social views even though younger voters tend to be more pro-life.

Next is his “big government conservatism”. It’s not just his past views, Santorum thinks the progressive income tax system is “just fine” and said he is “proud” of his earmarks. No bueno. I also haven’t heard any compelling reforms from him regarding Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. I don’t think Santorum has a good grasp of how dire our fiscal situation is. If he did, he would want to save wherever he could. Saying “earmarks are just fine” and the “real problem is entitlements” without offering any meaningful entitlement reform proposals is like an irresponsible family in the midst of a fiscal crisis coming together and saying “spending money on fast food isn’t the problem, it’s that we buy a flat screen TV every month that’s the problem.” Santorum is clearly out of his depth here, people like him because of his social views.

Finally, speaking of His social views, they are extreme and way out of the mainstream. I say that as a pretty socially conservative person myself. People thought Stephanopolus was nuts for asking about contraception, but if you look at what Santorum said as late as last year, you will see why. He believes states should be able to ban contraception and that he thinks contraception is bad because it leads to people doing “immoral” things sexually. See this is where I think Santorum takes it too far: unless a person is being harmed or an animal is being treated inhumanely (you’ll see why I had to say that in a second), it’s none of the government’s business what one does in the privacy of their own bedroom. Santorum’s rhetoric on gays is also way over the top. Comparing gays to pedophiles and people who have sex with animals is WAY out of line, and it will turn off a lot of people. Look, it’s not bad to have a moral objection to homosexual behavior. For some it is a matter of deep faith. But last I checked, Jesus didn’t attach any conditions to “love thy neighbor”. I am not saying that we should condone anything, but it’s not our place to condemn anything either. Santorum seems to believe it’s his job to “pastor” the nation. That is not his job, his job should he be elected is to be the president of everyone.”

http://www.redstate.com/joshleguern/2012/02/13/three-reasons-santorum-will-lose-against-obama/


241 posted on 02/15/2012 7:25:24 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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“Obama will hit Santorum hard for all of the above. He’ll invite libertarians to come and vote for him again (which is crazy to me, but whatever) He’ll ask voters why they should trust him if the people of PA obviously did not? He’ll run the 2006 campaign against Santorum all over again, telling people how we wouldn’t have gotten into this mess if it wasn’t for Bush and people like Santorum and the exorbitant amounts of spending that occurred during the Bush years (even though Obama would be a HUGE hypocrite for that seeing how his spending is even more out of control.)

As a member of the senate, Obama will play every clip of Santorum supporting unpopular Bush-era spending policy calling Santorum “Bush’s right hand man in the senate” He would also hit Santorum hard for his extreme social views, calling him way out of the mainstream. Santorum will be blasted as “anti-gay” and “homophobic” and just like that Salon article I linked to above, the left will accuse him of wanting to “take away your birth control.”

In debates, Obama will press Santorum on social issues. The main stream media will be all but happy to oblige keeping the debate away from ObamaCare, away from run away spending and making it all about Santorum’s extreme social views. They will do whatever they can to scare voters away from him. Meanwhile Tea Party and libertarian support will crumble once they find out about Santorum’s record and what he actually stands for fiscally.

Is all of that true? No. But it doesn’t matter, Obama will have close to a billion dollars and the mainstream media at his side. Santorum has all the right weaknesses for an Obama victory in 2012. Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and other bloggers, commentators, and radio hosts I admire greatly can support Santorum all they want, but I am afraid they’ll be in for a big surprise come November. Santorum will lose if he is the nominee in 2012.”


242 posted on 02/15/2012 7:28:05 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

The next debate can’t come too soon. Time for some good old fashioned clock cleanin’.


243 posted on 02/15/2012 7:32:03 AM PST by b9 (Newt is substance. The others are talking points)
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To: dt57
I understand that you have a common pov. However, I disagree with your assessment that Santorum is nothing but a Boy Scout with a pocket knife.

I mentioned on a previous thread that anyone who has stood for the sanctity of life as Santorum has, has been in a fight with Satan himself.

No coward, no 'boy scout,' no wuss could survive the demonic battle Rick has been fighting for years.

Don't understimate his resolve. Louder isn't necessarily stronger.

244 posted on 02/15/2012 8:10:23 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

I understand. I am completely convinced that the number one issue facing America is abortion. The slaughter of the innocent is very near to the heart of God. I think though, Mr. Santorum will have a hard go. One thing that bothers me most is his 17 point loss in Penn. as Senator. I know it was a bad year, but it was not that bad. I could understand even a 10 point loss in that climate. But he went down hard. This election is too important to me for me to excuse that type of performance. Having said that I will vote for Rick if he wins the nomination. Everyone keeps saying we need someone with big solutions (not bigger government) and a ‘voice’ that can articulate the conservative message. We have such a man: Newt Gingrich.


245 posted on 02/15/2012 8:41:19 AM PST by dt57
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To: dt57
Part of the reason that Santorum went down so hard was because of the deceit of his opponent. Another part of it was that he was one of the only people in Congress to actually stand up for the mission of our troops in Iraq while all the rest were cowering in the corner. It was a very bad year all around.

I believe that Newt could be a very strong President, and definitely 'conveys the message' well, but when it came down to deciding between the two, I chose Santorum.

That said, I will fight tooth and nail for Newt, if he is the nominee, in spite of my reservations about him.

246 posted on 02/15/2012 9:03:27 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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I feel the same way about Rick Santurom as you do about Newt. But really, you can not explain away a 17 point defeat by saying it was a bad year. McCain did not even come close to losing that badly. And I am afraid that Mr. Obama will use deceit against anyone who runs against him. I am not convinced. And by the way, I am an Eagle Scout so I was not putting down scouts, but I was a boy of 16 years and not ready to fight a gun fight I assure you.


247 posted on 02/15/2012 10:55:17 AM PST by dt57
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