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Being a pill about the pill? Santorum vs US views
Associated Press ^ | February 17th, 2012 | CONNIE CASS and JENNIFER AGIESTA

Posted on 02/17/2012 1:04:39 PM PST by Mariner

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Most Americans don't share Rick Santorum's absolutist take on abortion. He's out of step on women in combat. He questions the values of the two-thirds of mothers who work. He's even troubled by something as commonplace as birth control - for married couples.

Even among a Republican presidential field eager to please religious conservatives, Santorum's ideas stand out.

A Catholic father of seven whose kids are home-schooled, Santorum may seem to wear his conservatism as comfortably as his sweater vests. But he's walked a careful path, keeping the more provocative opinions that helped sink his re-election to the Senate in 2006 mostly out of his presidential campaign.

That is until he leaped to the top of the polls, alongside Mitt Romney.

Now Santorum's record on social issues is getting a closer look. On several matters, he's outside the Republican mainstream. And if he becomes the GOP nominee, some of his ideas would probably be surprising, even puzzling, to general election voters.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: prolifelikebush; prolifesantorum; santorum; santorumbush3
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To: DarkSavant
He's right.

I agree completely.

It's no secret that I'm all in for Newt Gingrich and I'll do what I can to ensure he takes the Oath of Office in January 2013. Should he falter and not become the nominee, then Rick Santorum is my next choice. His recent unapologetic stands for traditional Christian Conservative core values has made me respect him more. I think Santorum is getting a second look from those of us who want the all-important moral foundation of America restored.

21 posted on 02/17/2012 1:24:09 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Mariner

This is as much about “the morning after pill” as it is about contraception. How the church has let let that drop from the discussion amazes me.


22 posted on 02/17/2012 1:25:39 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There has not been a conservative American government for 90 years.)
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To: ari-freedom
"Because the one candidate who does well with women is Romney. They aren’t going to go for the other Catholic in the race."

I'm not a female voter and would never encourage anyone to vote for Romney as I would not vote for him myself.

Ever.

But I could vote for any of the other 3 if they were the only person running against Obama. Not gleefully mind you, but I would do it.

23 posted on 02/17/2012 1:26:41 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

How many children does Mitt Romney have? Do Mormons believe that birth control is fine and dandy? As a mom of more than the average number of children (a lot more), the question hubby and I receive more than any other is “Mormon or Catholic?” Now why would that be? We are neither.

I don’t know a whole lot about Mormons because I don’t know a whole lot of Mormons. I have this vague recollection from my childhood learning that Mormons don’t drink Kool-Aid or things with caffeine in them. I assumed it was because they considered these things bad for the body. I assume that birth control pills would fit right into that category as well. But I could be wrong. Has anyone asked Mitt Romney about his Mormon beliefs and whether or not he would impose his beliefs on the rest of the world. I don’t think that Santorum has said that he wants to impose his beliefs on others either. I could be wrong about that, too.

I do know a lot of Catholics. For the most part, they don’t follow the Church’s teachings on contraception, abortion, or sterilization. It’s refreshing to see someone who attempts to live the way the Church teaches folks to live.


24 posted on 02/17/2012 1:29:34 PM PST by petitfour
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To: GoCards

Rick Santorum CANNOT win the general election. Out of all of them, he the least. We are going to do it again...Be prepared for the most Leftist Supreme Court to take us into the next decade. We were dealt a bad hand..and we’re going to make it worse. We have no good candidate...at this point, I want to beat Obama. Rick Santorum is not a President.


25 posted on 02/17/2012 1:31:19 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: GoCards

Rick Santorum CANNOT win the general election. Out of all of them, he the least. We are going to do it again...Be prepared for the most Leftist Supreme Court to take us into the next decade. We were dealt a bad hand..and we’re going to make it worse. We have no good candidate...at this point, I want to beat Obama. Rick Santorum is not a President.


26 posted on 02/17/2012 1:31:26 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Mariner
From the article:

Santorum: Favors amending the Constitution to ban abortion. He says that human life begins at conception and doctors who perform abortions should be charged as criminals. In his book, he compared women who have abortions to 19th-century slaveholders, writing that "unlike abortion today, in most states even the slaveholder did not have the unlimited right to kill his slave." In the past, Santorum supported allowing abortions in cases of rape or incest, but he now says no to those exceptions.

Why does he single out doctor who provide clinical abortions but wouldn't attempt to stop distribution or the pill or IUD's that also chemically or mechanically kill the life created at conception? Boht the pill and the IUD's failsafe is to keep the womb hostile to the fertilized egg allow the egg to free fall as menstural flow.

What's the difference between a scapel and a pill or IUD? In each scenario, the result is the loss of life if you believe life begins at conception.

27 posted on 02/17/2012 1:35:55 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Hildy

Well he wont win if his side doesnt vote for him. We have 3 choices and Im too understand you will only vote for one of them, correct?


28 posted on 02/17/2012 1:36:40 PM PST by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: Mariner
Having been denouncing Rick, over the past couple of weeks, because of his disrespect for the Tenth Amendment, as well as hysteria over Iran--which among other things enables Obama to one up the Republicans, since he--and not they--have the means to create an incident, where Rick & Newt, at least, will have to support Obama on a very major issue, right in the middle of the campaign;--I will out of fairness defend him on the charge that he is out of line on women in combat.

The issues on women in combat go far deeper than any idea of disrespect for tom boy antics among young women. The issue has never been one of courage among young women; nor of patriotism. Rather, it goes to the validity of the whole Chivalric code, as a mainstay of Western values--family & community values;--and of the validity of traditional sex roles, as basic to human happiness. (See Women Hostage To Contrived Delusion.)

Undermining the understanding that young men should consider it a duty to protect women & children, has all sorts of long term detriments for both sexes--as does undermining the corresponding traditional duties of virtuous women. These values should not be abandoned as some sort of out of date fad. They go to the very core of an ongoing, and sustainable, social order.

William Flax

29 posted on 02/17/2012 1:39:27 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Mariner

We have to be proud of conservatives who take conservative stances even if they may be unpopular. Remember that once upon a time, Sarah Palin took the heat for her ‘extreme’ social conservative views (eg pro-life even for cases of rape and incest) and her view of G-d’s plan in this world.


30 posted on 02/17/2012 1:39:28 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: MeganC

LOL!


31 posted on 02/17/2012 1:39:49 PM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Mariner
But I don't see him picking up more than 25% of the women's vote in a general election.

And you think more women would vote for Gingrich?

Really?

Polling data suggest otherwise. He's overweight (which the young singles dislike), boorish (which divorced women dislike), and has cheated on two wives (which married Christian women dislike).

No way he does better than Santorum, who is at least reasonably fit, modest, and obviously faithful.

32 posted on 02/17/2012 1:39:59 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There has not been a conservative American government for 90 years.)
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33 posted on 02/17/2012 1:41:06 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Carry_Okie

I don’t understand what freepers are trying to accomplish by going after Rick on the women’s vote. It’s just going to help Romney.


34 posted on 02/17/2012 1:45:10 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Mariner
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Most Americans don't share Rick Santorum's absolutist take on abortion.

Most Americans wouldn’t have a clue what his stance on abortion was if they depended on the MSM. Hopefully republicans make a little more effort to inform themselves, if they don't, does it really matter? The Kingdom will have been established and the Fabian Socialists wet dream will have come true.

35 posted on 02/17/2012 1:46:26 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: Carry_Okie
"Really? "

Yeah I do. I think Gingrich would hold the GOP women and probably get 35-40% of Independents.

Consistent with a "typical" GOP candidate.

And I think Santorum would lose some GOP women and lose Independents by at least 3-1.

36 posted on 02/17/2012 1:48:22 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I am so worried we are going to lose. Pretty soon, I am going to get in my bed and pull the covers over me and prepare for Obama’s raft. And have the better half, make safe plans until hell breaks loose. There is no way, Sanatorum can win the general. I don’t won’t to vote for him even with Obama. He is from the very cast of Bush characters that we all hated then, now he is our warrior (Geez, how exciting) My Tea Party, is struggling about his extreme social views and some are thinking to go back to Miit, if Newt is taken out by the media. I guess this explains why the establishment is pushing Rick, hoping voters will go back to Mitt. We know why they are trying their best to get rid of reformer Newt who makes their lazy butts work. We need to get behind Newt, he can bring women in on the economic polices where Rick will lose. You cannot say it is a given fact that Newt will lose women because family value voters support Rush (and he has a past which they have forgiven)Eventually, the economy will trump every issue and Newt has plans for reforms. ( We are acting so stupid and giving the lefty such an easy target/another Bush/big spender) God help us since our house is divided.


37 posted on 02/17/2012 1:52:19 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: skeeter
Marguerite and RitaOK, have been tag teaming these threads for days, they have picked yet another looser and they are having difficulty adjusting.

If they would take Palin's advice, and just wait a few weeks until this shakes out, then maybe we can get behind a candidate. Well, me personally, anyone but Romney, and that disagrees with Palin and virtually every other visible political type, but that is just me. But hey if the keep up they Romnesque attacks on Saint Rick, maybe they will convince me.

38 posted on 02/17/2012 1:53:32 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: Hildy
Rick Santorum CANNOT win the general election.

/sigh

You are obviously correct. With Santorum as the nominee we would lose in a landslide, lose the House, fail to regain the Senate and allow Hussein a massive mandate that this country would not likely recover from in our lifetimes.

No matter what Rick says now, he will be baited into talking about birth control, pornography, etc. He can't help himself. That is what he is known for. He's a social crusader and he will end up talking about why he thinks birth control is bad, why we need to do something about pornography, why women might be better off at home having lots of kids. He may or may not be right on all his social positions, but they are political LOSERS. With Santorum as the nominee, the election would be a referendum on Rick's moral beliefs instead of on Obama's economic failure as President. Instead of focusing on issues that might make Hussein's re-election dicey - like the debt, failed stimulus, etc, we'd be talking about Santorum's moral opposition to rubbers and skin flicks. Every moment spent talking about contraception, pornography, etc, is a win for this White House and the Democratic party. These battles have been fought and mostly lost a long time ago. The public is not interested in being preached to by Rick Santorum about the evil's of birth control, gambling, pornography, etc.

39 posted on 02/17/2012 1:57:34 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ari-freedom
I have been very unhappy with the volume of attacks, but there is a reason in Newt's case to question the authenticity or persistence of his policy preferences. He has a long record as a rather mercurial fan of various causes and has shown that he is willing to violate his most solemn commitments in service to his ambition of the moment. Such behavior begs for questioning, although it is unlikely to yield a satisfactory answer.

All these candidates have weaknesses. That's just how things are. Best we focus upon differences in the solutions they propose.

40 posted on 02/17/2012 2:01:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There has not been a conservative American government for 90 years.)
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