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To: donmeaker
All states since Vermont were created by the Federal Government. The states did not leave the Confederation, rather the UNION transformed from the form of the Confederation to the form of our current Constitution. States petitioned the US Government from Vermont on for permission to join the Union.

You're truly confused.

The PEOPLE created the States. Furthermore, every State that was born after the Constitution was adopted has the same rights and privileges as the original thirteen Nation States.

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These speculative notions may be regarded as having received the most solemn sanction in the United States of America; the supreme national council of which hath, on the most important occasion, which hath ever occured since the first settlement of these states by the present race of men, declared, "that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations upon such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most "likely to effect their safety and happiness."[9] Such is the language of that congress which dissolved the union between Great Britain and America. Few are the governments of the world, antient or modern, whose foundations have been laid upon these principles. Fraud, usurpation, and conquest have been, generally, substituted in their stead.

When a government is founded upon the voluntary consent, and agreement of a people uniting themselves together for their common benefit, the people, or nation, collectively taken, is free, although the administration of the government should happen to be oppressive, and to a certain degree, even tyrannical; since it is in the power of the people to alter, or abolish it, whenever they shall think proper; and to institute such new government as may seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. But if the government be founded in fear, constraint, or force, although the administration should happen to be mild, the people, being deprived of the sovereignty, are reduced to a state of civil slavery. Should the administration, in this case, become tyrannical, they are without redress. Submission, punishment, or a successful revolt, are the only alternatives.

http://www.constitution.org/tb/t1b.htm

281 posted on 03/02/2012 4:04:28 PM PST by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: Idabilly

No doubt the people created the states, but the forms through which the people created the states were those of the Federal Government, which thus, created the states, set the boundaries, and set the date for their admission to the Union, and guaranteed from then on a republican form of government.

No doubt that our government depends on the consent of the governed, but that consent is expressed through elections of various officials, such as the president, and the powers of those officials are limited, even if the people would consent to giving them more power, such powers would have to be granted by amendment, legislation, or by court case. If the people would like to remove powers from any official position, such removal would have to take place by amendment, by legislation, or by court case. Of course the person occupying a position could be removed by impeachment, or by expiration of his term.


282 posted on 03/02/2012 4:20:44 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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