This is not what I want to fight about in the fall of 2012.
Is that what the majority of Republicans want to fight about?
I have decided to refer to his campaign as, “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.”. He is doing all he can to save the soul (reelect) Obama.
Why do we always fall for the media presentation of what happened?
If religion is...
...(a) off-limits or uncouth in some way;
...or (b) should be hermetically sealed from what constitutes "character"...
...then go ahead..."religion doesn't matterites" & the self-appointed "bigot patrol" are hereby invited...
...to come onboard this thread & go on the indirect defense of Obama on this thread by...
...attacking Santorum...
...plus lecturing posters to lay off bringing up "Christian values" and whether Obama has them or not.
Go on.
Be consistent (for some of you -- for a change).
Show that you're not a hypocrite after all.
Let's see those single-minded convictions about keeping beliefs & religion out of this race come out re: your even application of them across the board.
What? Few takers? What? You're going to prove yourself to be hypocrites, after all?
“I think to myself, if I’m willing to give something up as somebody who’s been extraordinarily blessed, and give up some of the tax breaks that I enjoy, I actually think that’s going to make economic sense,” the president said. “But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’s teaching that ‘for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.’”
Obama is the first American President who was raised by atheists.
He joined Trinity UCC (the God Damn America Church) because as a community organizer he was told that you can’t organize in the black community very well if you don’t connect with black churches because the churches are the social network in the black neighborhoods. He liked Wright’s style, so he joined up.
There were a couple of states a few years ago in which the issue of same-sex marriage was on the ballot (perhaps Louisiana and Missouri, but I may be wrong). It was on the ballot during special elections or primaries that only involved Democrats. In both cases more than 70% of the voters chose to prohibit same-sex marriage in their state—in elections in which those voting were almost entirely Democrats.
The poster finds another “gotcha” article to post, thinking that social issues will be the death knell for Rick Santorum, not realizing that, for every liberal Republican that Santorum loses, he probably gains at least one Democrat.
Some say that Santorum can’t win because of the social issues. Those who don’t like Santorum should simply say that they don’t like him or his convictions. Saying that he can’t win is merely a subterfuge for many of those who oppose him.
...Driftdiver (post #33: "Plenty of reasons to not like mittens. His religion has nothing to do with any of them.")...
...NavyCanDo (Post #41: "...plenty of reasons not to choose Romney as your candidate, but making his religion one of them, is small minded at best, bigoted at worse.")
...In light of my last post, c'mon in here and start lecturing Santorum & FREEPER posters about those who would dare bring Obama's religious beliefs into this POTUS race venue.
Why, we just know you wanna apply your convictions evenly across the board here.
It’s becoming obvious that Santorum is not the right man for the job. It’s good to elect someone with a strong faith but we need someone who can lead a revolution in putting or fiscal house in order. Of the current field, Newt is the only one I can see doing that.
No. In my state the Democrats are interfering in our nominating process. That is why Santorum’s numbers are up in the State of Washington.
A friend who is deeply involved in Democratic Party activities here is gloating after admitting that’s what is happening here, and it makes me sick. The Democrats know Santorum is far from the mainstream, and beatable like Romney.
“This is not what I want to fight about in the fall of 2012.”
You got that right. Santorum has “landslide defeat”’written all over his face.
It is fundamentally THE most important issue we face.
We are either a Nation under God-—(which means Just Laws (based on Judeo/Christian Ethics—the BIBLE) which is the Founding principles of Natural Rights from God and “We Hold these Truths to be self-evident .....all from Christian ideology and each person has dignity and worth—our basis of Common Law which is the foundation of our jurisprudence (Christian).
OR
we are godless-—form arbitrary laws not based on Objective Truths(Bible)—but on whoever is the most powerful and in control of forming what is Right and Wrong-—like Hitler, zero, Stalin or barney frank—who ever holds the microphone and can create a “NEW” standard of Right and Wrong-—not from the Bible.
Like: Sodomy is a “right” and “good”.
Homosexual marriage is a “right” even though it denies children their birth right.
Abortion is “good”...killing for the betterment of the Collective is ALWAY a right. Individual rights don’t exist without God.
Only the USA founded the most Just country with individual rights-—and it comes from God—only his standards of Right and Wrong. The Judeo-Christian Theology created Western Civilization and Rational Thought—the ideas of Right and Wrong that led to the end of pederasty as normal, slavery as normal and homosexuality as normal and human sacrifice as normal.
As we remove God—we are returning to paganism—occultism-—other belief systems which always has records of extreme abuse to the individual-—but GOOD for the Collective-—at least, whoever has totalitarian control over the collective, at the time—like Hitler, zero, Stalin or barney frank—whoever controls the useful idiots and the armies—they need immoral armies—the sodomite kind like the SA Brownshirts.
I want GOD’s standard of Right and Wrong-—NOT a zeros or barney franks sick perverted ideas being forced on my children’s minds to corrupt their logic and reason with denial of Natural Rights and the corrupt convoluted thinking of sodomy is good.
Removing God from the public square has always been illegal (until the 50s). Faith exists in everyone’s belief system-—I want the system which values human dignity and worth in every single human being.....Christianity and Judaism—not some wicca junk or mormonism that is irrational to the point of denial of science and reason and history.
Christianity perfected much of Western Civilization-—the removal of Christianity has led to massive deaths in the 20th century-—MASSIVE ugliness. No thanks-—we went the no God/Darwinism route and it is ugly.
Well you certainly want to talk about right now. What’s the difference? If it is a worthless issue in November why is it such an important issue now?
(And how long have you had this basic issue with multi-tasking? And some FREEPERS call pro-lifers "single-issue?")
(Good thing the likes of Mariner was part of the Baby Boomer generation vs. the Silent generation...too many Baby Boomers on younger would take one look at the multi-tasking involved in fighting a war vs. both Germany & Japan...as well as on so many geographical fronts...as simply too intimidating...cultural ADHD or something...can't concentrate on more than one foe and one issue at a time...With Baby boomers like Mariner, we'd lost WWII!)
“It’s about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible.”
That statement about President Obama is spot on. Whether one is interested in that line of discussion or not.
Whether Newt or Rick is the GOP pick is OK by me. I will show up on election day to vote for either. However, I will not ever vote for Romney anymore than I would Obama.
Both Newt and Rick have their particular areas where they will be targeted....Rick’s is his true moral conservatism (which unfortunately is not shared by most). Newt’s is his past mistakes (ex-wives, enemies in congress). However, in my opinion, either will generate more voters FOR the GOP pick for POTUS in a general election than Romney. I believe that a Romney pick will mean many, like myself, will stay home or leave the ballot blank on that issue.
I will not engage in bashing of either Newt or Rick. It is time to back one of the two and let the best man go forward. The only “Republican” for POTUS to bash is Romney and Paul (except Paul isn’t a Republican he is a libertarian).
I too have voted in every election since 1976 (I could have voted in 1972 but was in Basic Training for the Navy)...and always for the GOP nominee. I will do so again if Newt or Rick...but not Romney. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD WORRY FOLKS! Newt or Rick bashing is just idiotic in my thinking.....it is counter productive. Trash Romney and leave the other two alone.
Marxists are atheists-—and Marxism is proven to be evil—by the Pope’s encyclical and by Common Sense. You can never treat human beings as an object—as a means to an end. It is EVIL on both Theological and Ethical grounds.
Sodomy is embraced (and probably practiced by zero) and it is evil by the very nihilism of the act and the lust and narcissism and idolatry embedded in such disgusting acts which removes human dignity.
Bible condemns it—as it does forcefully taking property from people and redistributing it. Government force is evil when it promotes sloth, envy, and forces children to learn about sex acts which are not even normal. It corrupts their innocence and destroys the “awe and mystery” which gives life “Joy”.
The idea that our rights come from our Creator are outlined in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. There is no need to give the Democrats the “Republicans don't believe in the Separation of Church and State” mantra to carry into the General Election. Just because we know it isn't true doesn't mean a majority of the Country believes it is outlined in the Founding Documents.
Although Rick is correct about Obama, he is coming off as a Preacher, not a Candidate for President. We know what he means, but the average Voter only knows the Media interpretation of what he said.
We have people of all Faiths in this Country and they all get to Vote. Any idea that our Candidate is favoring the Beliefs of one group over another can only alienate (and I hate that PC word) the same people we need to secure the Votes required to unseat Pharaoh Obama. Or I'm completely wrong and people love hearing one of our Candidates saying the President has no Christian Values. True or not, perception rules the day.
on the right track and with Newt's proposed policies, experience and good common sense solutions we will be able to get Obama’s
wrongs undone on day 1.
He has never been fully vetted. Hello.
He is getting a wave from the non Romney vote.
Part of the base isn't supporting him. Hello. Women voters will turn out to vote against him. Head to desk.