Posted on 02/24/2012 3:44:35 PM PST by ConservativeStatement
Right now in the most of the developed world, it could be argued, women are considered about as "equal" to men as they have ever been. And yet, countering any "We've come a long way, baby"-type sentiment you might cheer about (intelligence in a woman is now considered by men to be more important than being pleasant and a good housekeeper; France is doing away with the term "mademoiselle"), there are deep, abiding problems that we're still working through. Some, like birth control access, are matters of health and freedom, while others are more "semantic," though no less problematic.
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I think that women who hypenate their names are a pain in the a**. If I married a woman who had a career and a good professional reputation I would ask her to keep her name and not add a hyphen and my name at the end. Betty Grable was always Betty Grable. She did not become Betty Grable James when she married. The worst ones are the princesses with two long last names like Debbie Rabinowitz Gonzalez.
I do NOT intend to dismiss the notion of taking of the man's name. BUT because of my ancestry searches I keep hitting dead ends because the woman's lineage disappears unless there is special care to record her family.
I teach in an inner city school. We are about a generation (which is only about 15 years in the ghetto) away from inbreeding. Baby daddies don’t give their last names, baby mamas use their last names instead. Why? Because then the baby daddies have to pay child support. This way baby daddy can sell drugs and get cash, and baby mama can still collect our tax dollars. I had two sisters one year that each had two kids before they graduated. Sister A had a baby with Brother A. Sister B had a baby with Brother B. Stay with me now. Sister A then had a baby with Brother B. Sister B had a baby with Brother A. Figure that out. The kids were double half-siblings and double cousins? All four children, although I’m sure there are more than four by now, have their mommies’ last name.
If I didn’t take my husbands last name, I’d have my fathers last name. I love both men, of course in different ways, but it’s still the man’s last name. So how is it suppose to be more “feminist” to keep your maiden name? I thought about doing the maiden name as a middle name, just because I was proud of my family name, but my father said “ you don’t have to do that (I knew that) and your mother likes that your middle name is Marie, as in Mary (we’re Catholic).” My dad also said “you chose your husband, you were stuck with me and your mom!”
More like 20 days, fewer if they are real hotties.
I am so sick of all this feminist whining? "deep abiding semantic problems"? This psychosis has caused much unhappiness among women.
AND my children will be given as much as I can possibly give them to know 'both' sides of their ancestry... GOOD grief, I am the insecure one here????
A woman taking her husband’s name is simply trading one man’s name for another. So, why would anyone calling himself a man would want to have TWO male’s names with a hyphen between them?
“Anyone who has spent any time searching ‘genealogy’ immediately hits walls for women ancestors. This notion that women are chattel for a man is primeval.”
Sounds like you are an FR Feminista! I have a great idea. If women think they are so smart and independent then do it like most animals do - don’t get married, have children out of wedlock and raise them alone by yourself. Ain’t nature great?
Then you can give them your family name and teach them to hate men, too!
Turns out his great grandfather knew about the rolls, but being a proud Cherokee refused to sign.
So if your ancestors are not on the rolls then that may be frustrating, but it should be considered an honor.
Roger. Wilco, Mr. O’Reilly.
God called their name Adam.
So from the very begining, the principle God Himself set is that the woman would take the man's name. Ironically, ALL women have a man's surname, unless they deliberately have it changed to something weird. Wives either take their husband's name at marriage, or they keep their FATHER's name ; unless, as I said, they change their name to Ms. Marijuana, or some other stupid non-name.
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ ; and the head of the woman is the man ; and the head of Christ is God. (1 Cor. 11:3)
Men and women may rebel against God's order, but not with impunity. It IS GOD'S ORDER.
Ah, I think I said that I can trace a female ancestor to the 1700's. ALLLLLL I can find about HER is HER first name. NOTHING else. Now on some census all that is listed is the first name of females. I personally would like to have more than that. IT has NOTHING to do with taking anything from the almighty males.
“Nearly every major culture on Earth (with the exception of judiasm and I may be wrong about that) is patrilinial as a fathers birth tended to determine the kids status.”
Orthodox Judaism is patrilineal. Conservative and Reform, not so much.
I did not change my name after getting married. I never felt as if I were being “judged”.
I had a professional practice, licenses in 5 states, and a network of professional mentors, friends, and professional organization memberships. It would have been idiocy to change my name, especially having lived in 3 states since being married. It's confusing enough to provide all the paper work needed to change a professional license without add a name change to the mix.
In informal settings those who mistakenly call me by my husband's last name, so what? I graciously accept it.
IT has NOTHING to do with NOT getting married. Think what you want. AND I never said that I was against the 'taking' of the man's name. However, it sure would be helpful IF the woman's name were recorded for the sake of locating them in the record books.... geeeeeeeze I am the '.....nista?
Technically, women don’t have last names. A woman’s name always comes from a man.
Your name is actually your father’s name. Your mother has no name (chattel?).
Your father’s name is his father’s, which came at the expense of his mother, and on and on.
I think that is why many women use their birth surname as their middle name when they marry, for the purposes of the genealogy.
It’s great to be proud of your last name, but it is the last name of a man.
What is the point of ‘modern’ marriage and why would anyone want this kind of mental illness disguised as ‘becoming one?’
My wife would follow me into hell and I'd go there to rescue her. I'm beyond glad that I have a real wife and family.
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