Posted on 02/24/2012 3:44:35 PM PST by ConservativeStatement
Right now in the most of the developed world, it could be argued, women are considered about as "equal" to men as they have ever been. And yet, countering any "We've come a long way, baby"-type sentiment you might cheer about (intelligence in a woman is now considered by men to be more important than being pleasant and a good housekeeper; France is doing away with the term "mademoiselle"), there are deep, abiding problems that we're still working through. Some, like birth control access, are matters of health and freedom, while others are more "semantic," though no less problematic.
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Consequences of feminism and other immoralities just ahead. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.
Hon, my interests comes from wanting to know about the women in my heritage. Nothing to do with the refusal of taking a man's last name in marriage. But you carry on in your bubble.
I chose to keep my name when we married more than 35 years ago. It had nothing to do with respect or disrespect; and my husband did not care. It was a non-issue for us then and a non-issue for us now. Our children had no trouble with parents with different last names. Fortunately they were bright enough to figure it out.
Apparently the male ego in many cases can’t tolerate this simple idea of choice and must insist on convention.
During all these years when anyone was confused or irritated by it I always viewed it as their problem not mine.
“Chattel” chatter comes straight from the womens studies dept of the last 20 years.
Chattel has a dictionary and a legal definition. The social convention of women in love, joining into marriage, and publically demonstrating that they have formed a new, unique nuclear family by taking their new name,,,,is beautiful.
Seeing it as oppression, or more oddly,,,as chattel, tells us more about the mental place of the person who sees it so.
“And he didn’t even brand me or make me wear his chains”
ROFLMAO,,, sounds like a good man you got there!
a great idea is for women to formally keep the last name they were born with. you don’t have to go through all the hassle of getting it changed.
Informally in daily life use the husband’s last name.
problem solved!
then when you go through divorce and remarry and divorce again, you don’t have to go back and change it, then back to maiden, then new hubby’s name then back to maiden name again. what a hassle!
all names are made up from whole cloth and meaningless anyway, so who cares? people are changing their first and lasts names all the time nowadays. most people are born with sucky names and go by nicknames mostly.
I’m with you there. When I got divorced in October, 2011, part of the judge’s order was that my ex wife go back to the name she had when we married. She’s a sociopath and as much trouble as she has caused me in getting rid of her, she refuses to give up my name.
The word chattel did not first appear 20 years ago. Women have been in eons of the past been treated and considered as chattel. Do not believe me then do some genealogy research in the 1700's and see whose names are fully recorded. The woman's identity was totally associated with the man they married. Which of course I have no problem in the taking with the man's last name, except when I want to find out what that woman's father's name might be.
I don't let the insane liberals dictate my vocabulary.
I have been hearing that same Feminist claptrap for the past 40/50 years and it hasn’t changed one iota. If you said that on DU you would be getting kudos from your Leftist sisters who are down with the struggle against men and boys.
Go back to DU!
I’ve been married for 19 years and I still haven’t changed my last name on any documents. It is just too much work and it doesn’t seem to bother my husband.
Our son carries my husbands last name and I answer to Mrs. (husbands last name) if called that.
I’m not a feminist and I don’t consider this a big deal.
Once again it’s Friday night, the weekend is approaching and some men on FR don’t have dates for Saturday night.Next best thing is to get on FR and insult women.
Why not let people decide what they call themselves? Why do you care? Does it impact you in any way? LOL
Ok sport,,, no, Chattel did not literally appear 20 years ago, and i did not mean to confuse you. You apparently only understand literal meanings.
When i said chattel appeared in the last 20 years, i should have said that the use of the word “chattel” to describe a womans state in marriage, appeared in the last 20 years. That word was used to describe a relationship such as slavery, or bondage. (as in a “bond-man,, not tied up)
THAT concept was indeed popularized by the womens studies dept. Along with marital sex as rape, and a lot of other wild ideas. Most women did not consider themselves property,,or owned.
Amen! Me too!
Like in the feminist Bible: “There is a way that seemeth right unto a women, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs 14:12 and 16:25)
“Wherefore, as by one women sin entered into the world, and so death by sin; so death passed upon all women, for that all have sinned.” (Romans 5:12)
[I confess I made that up; you just replace men with women, and you have a feminist Bible]
LOL, yep, he was lenient with me....
I am so glad you also noticed this because it is something I have always wondered. Why is it “feminism” when you are just taking a different man’s name. In fact, it is LESS independent because your maiden name is a name of a man too, but you had no choice in it , while taking the name of the man you marry is one that you are CHOOSING.
I also think there is a psychological component here that is healthy. Women/girls have a harder time separating from their mothers and their families and it often causes a lot of friction in a marriage.Taking the new name is a statement that you are now a NEW family unit and it is the one you owe your allegiance to now.
“Chattel”: you said it. Own it.
Yes, and I have no patience with it.
I have been hearing that same Feminist claptrap for the past 40/50 years and it hasn’t changed one iota. If you said that on DU you would be getting kudos from your Leftist sisters who are down with the struggle against men and boys.
Go back to DU!
Couple of thoughts:
- I’ve never understood why a woman would want to remain known as Daddy’s Little Girl rather than her husband’s partner and soulmate.
- In our family, middle names have been used to delineate maternal geneology.
- What happens, I wonder, when feminist children of hyphenated parents marry hyphenated spouses? Susie Jones-Smith marries Bobby White-Brown and becomes....who?
She started the insults. The Feminists who are at war with men need to stay off FR and go over and stay at DU. I’ve heard this same crap for the last several decades and I don’t have any more patience for it.
Calling a Feminist what she is when she decides to get her stab in at men saying the exact Feminist unoriginal claptrap and me calling her out on it by identifying her as such isn’t name calling at all.
Why do I care? Because we don’t need men haters on FR! You can’t pay me enough money to put up with that crap. Don’t need it and don’t want it.
I come to FR because I join a forum of like-minded men and women who are interested in rugged, individualism where men and women can relax and be the men and women they desire without being attacked for it. If I was a glutton for punishment I would go over to DU and let loose.
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