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A Gentle Reproof for Bill O'Reilly (oil prices)
The American Thinker ^ | February 25, 2012 | James G. Wiles

Posted on 02/25/2012 2:27:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Litigation isn't poker. It's chess. You have to think three or four moves ahead.

Economics is like that, too.

Nothing is ever actually ceteris paribus. All the little economic variables are always moving and changing. The world's largest economy (ours) is all interconnected. Touch one gizmo, and you affect several other gizmos. All the little widgets talk to each other.

It's even more so with our even larger, globalized economy.

[GREAT BIG IMPORTANT SNIP]

Do you have any idea where this leads? There won't be another refinery built in the United States. We will end up importing all our refined products to escape the controls. If the only way U.S. oil companies can reap the world price is to sell overseas, then you'll see this entire industry migrate out of the United States.

And almost all the high-paying jobs will go, too.

In twenty years, the U.S. petroleum industry will have moved overseas, corporate headquarters included, because the U.S. laws and regulations which Bill O'Reilly is suggesting will handicap them vis-à-vis their competitors. Their American shareholders will support these moves. All the high-paying jobs which used to be in Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma -- not just the headquarters jobs, but also technical services as well -- will be in Dubai, Singapore, Holland, and all sorts of havens.

Maybe Brazil.

Natural resources is a global industry. The natural resource companies headquartered in the United States don't need to be headquartered in the United States. It's that simple. Controls always have this effect.

Bill O'Reilly is a thinking man, a well-educated man, and a highly intelligent man. Last night's Talking Points Memo was not his best effort.

I'm sure Bill O'Reilly will think this through.

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I'm sure Bill O'Reilly will think this through.

Well, I'm sure he won't because he's always so cocksure of himself.

It's important to read this short and clear explanation to Bill.

We can learn and I expect that is the reason Mr. Wiles wrote it.

1 posted on 02/25/2012 2:27:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I suppose so many people watch O’Reilly because he says stuff people like. I’ve never found him to be more than a populist — and somewhat ignorant — blowhard.


2 posted on 02/25/2012 3:06:58 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have never seen anyone work so hard to be so ignorant on a subject as Bill 0'Reilly has on the oil industry.

He has had politicians explain it to him, he has had economists explain it to him, he has had oil industry experts from all levels of the industry explain it to him and just last night John Stossel tried to explain it to him but he couldn't get a complete sentence out before 0bloviator shut him down.

Even critics of the oil industry look bewildered at his irrational hatred of "Big Oil" and end up defending the oil industry trying to talk some sense into his concrete skull.

3 posted on 02/25/2012 3:09:43 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

On oil prices, O’Reilly’s a pinhead.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 3:18:36 AM PST by eCSMaster (Excommunicate heretics)
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To: BfloGuy

I occasionally watch to see his guests but he irks me in always knowing more than Einstein about any subject and talking over anyone smarter than him,which is darn near everybody. He is definitely a pompous ass! Can you imagine the poor woman married to that opinionated S.O.B?


5 posted on 02/25/2012 3:19:16 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
BOR is so full of himself and is NEVER wrong - - - That according to BOR.

The pricing of gasoline here in this country is puzzling. It is not supply & demand this time. We have ample supply no unusual demand so cost should be (cost of oil + cost to refine & ship + 10-20% tacked on for profit).
Gasoline & diesel is kinda like food. It is needed and there is no alternative except electric cars. Most of us can't afford to abandon our gas cars and buy an electric model. So we are stuck and are at the mercy of whoever sets the price for gasoline & diesel.

6 posted on 02/25/2012 3:21:21 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
O’Reilly has been on this rant for years now. Bill believes that we still live in the age of Standard Oil and the complete control they held on the entire industry. Back in that day Standard had such control over the industry they could maintain an astronomical price of $0.10 to $0.20 and up to $1.00 a bbl at certain times, that boogie man is long gone.
I believe the answer to lowering the price of oil is for the United States to really become a player again. Speculators fear stability and free flowing oil and the United States has the oil what we don't have is a government willing to let it flow.
If an administration stated they were fast tracking the GOM, Alaska and various coastlines and Federal lands. Cutting regulations and legal challenges in half it would send a message to the world we were serious. I believe the price would drop by half overnight.
7 posted on 02/25/2012 3:29:19 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Voter#537

Given that Iran is practicing closing the straits of hormuz (where 1 out of 5 barrels of worldwide oil passes every day), and given that Israel might attack Iran soon, oil sellers are expecting tighter supply in the near future.

Thus, when oil buyers approach them to buy contracts/futures (used to plan ahead and avoid surprises), those contracts/futures are getting more expensive. Everybody except Omoslem and O’Reilly understand that when Israel/Iran go to war, “oil market hell” will break loose.

And since humans have foresight, these higher prices/risk are already being reflected in the prices. An idiot might watch Israel bomb Iran, then wait 90 days before he realizes that the bombing might have an effect, THEN adjust his expectations on supply/demand of oil

But most oil companies, distributors, traders and refiners aren’t idiots.


8 posted on 02/25/2012 3:31:17 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bill O'Reilly is a thinking man, a well-educated man, and a highly intelligent man.

HA! It took him a Harvard education to learn how to read a teleprompter?

9 posted on 02/25/2012 3:45:28 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: eCSMaster

...”On oil prices, O’Reilly’s a pinhead”...

I totally agree. His lack of understanding of the big “oil” picture is stunning.


10 posted on 02/25/2012 3:48:49 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Of course it is O'Reilly's blatant egoism that is so obnoxious, but to us conservatives it is more interesting to think about its cause. Apart from the psychological drives which compel O'Reilly to interrupt and bloviate, he is the victim of an egoism which denies any syllogism but one that he himself creates.

This, incidentally, is a condition found in most independents. These are people who do not accept a framework, such as the Constitution, conservatism, the fundamentals of capitalist theory, for example, but approach every issue de novo. It is up to them to fashion anew the principles, such as the law of supply and demand, and decide whether they apply or not.

Usually, when picking a presidential candidate, they do not school themselves on the issues but merely for my snap judgment based on a television image, whether they think the individual "looks presidential." Most independents are not as egregiously and blatantly egotistical as O'Reilly but they are victimized nonetheless by the same rootlessness. This is why the work that Mark Levin does is so vital. It is needed today just as was the work of Thomas Paine or Thomas Jefferson in their day.

If you throw away the paradigm, whether it is the Constitution or the Old and New Testaments, you end up with Jim Jones or David Koresh in the religious sphere and Bill O'Reilly in the political.

On the other hand, if you are a prisoner to dogma or in bondage to a false dogma such as Barack Obama, you end up with a tyrant or a Torquemada.

Every time I watch O'Reilly, I am renewed in the conviction that we have to be very careful what we believe.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 3:52:00 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TigersEye

You go back to his childhood days I will bet you find Bill surrounded by a family of NYC union employees, who as I can attest would be virulent anti big business. And the biggest business of all in the early portion of the century was Standard Oil. They would have been the poster boy for everything union hate.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 4:03:48 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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Developing crude supplies is really only half the battle, though. Without additional refining capacity, without the excessive regulation brought on by the enviro-whackos and various other assorted nut jobs in the bureaucracy and the media, we’ll never fully gain energy independence.
We have the technology to extract, transport and refine these resources safely and efficiently.
Plus, there is no Constitutional authority for the feds to be engaged in this business at ANY level.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 4:06:03 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Recon Dad
Ironically unions exist solely because big corporate businesses exist.

Even more ironically unions are a big corporate business.
For which there is no union to protect the little guy from.

14 posted on 02/25/2012 4:15:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

“I have never seen anyone work so hard to be so ignorant on a subject as Bill 0’Reilly has on the oil industry”.

I’d kind of want to put the occupier of the White House up against Mr O’Reilly on this one.


15 posted on 02/25/2012 4:23:42 AM PST by wita
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To: BTCM
Can you imagine the poor woman married to that opinionated S.O.B?

The last personal info I read about O'Reilly was that his much younger wife left him for a policeman.

16 posted on 02/25/2012 4:24:43 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: PubliusMM
Who wants to build a refinery anyway with the hoops and costs imposed in the process, easier to build a Nuke plant.

Wait until they lose about half the refining capacity up on the East coast, they'll be screaming their bloody heads off.

17 posted on 02/25/2012 4:30:42 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Recon Dad

If an administration stated they were fast tracking the GOM, Alaska and various coastlines and Federal lands. Cutting regulations and legal challenges in half it would send a message to the world we were serious. I believe the price would drop by half overnight.

...and the cost to get this started? Virtually N O T H I N G a news conference! So why isn’t it done you ask? The answer is simple, just like the one who’s desk has the sign “the buck stops here”. (No pun intended)


18 posted on 02/25/2012 4:31:04 AM PST by wita
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To: nathanbedford

Well said IMHO!


19 posted on 02/25/2012 4:34:24 AM PST by wita
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To: PubliusMM; All
.....Plus, there is no Constitutional authority for the feds to be engaged in this business at ANY level.

Bill O'Reilly should have Hugo Chavez on his program. They seem to hold similar views of big oil.

Venezuela is a good example; Chavez took control of PDVSA (and then everything else) to loot and finance social program vote buying. Now PDVSA is crumbling, so he's making deals with China (with terrible conditions placed on Venezuela long term).

20 posted on 02/25/2012 4:35:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bill O'Reilly is a thinking man, a well-educated man, and a highly intelligent man

Now that's funny right there!

21 posted on 02/25/2012 4:38:09 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: TigersEye

I look at Bill’s issues as more a result of his environment. (I am speaking from personal experience) New York Micks have some of the thickest heads and largest prejudices in the entire world.
No matter how much education you give them hereditary factors play a bigger influence than anything else.
.....and Bill’s ego know no bounds....


22 posted on 02/25/2012 4:38:23 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: wita

The answer is simple, just like the one who’s desk has the sign “the buck stops here”. (No pun intended)

....BINGO, we can beat this thing from here until the cows come home, but until we remove this commie bastard nothing will change.

I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about Zero getting a second term.


23 posted on 02/25/2012 4:42:48 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: BTCM

Not sorry for his wife. She knew what she was getting. I feel sorry for his kids!


24 posted on 02/25/2012 4:43:28 AM PST by FES0844
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To: TigersEye

“I have never seen anyone work so hard to be so ignorant on a subject as Bill 0’Reilly has on the oil industry.”

Yes - yes - yes.

O’Reilly is actually really good on things he *knows something about* - like public education (since he spent some time in the trenches as a high school teacher).

But when he takes that same certainty to things on which he is completely ignorant, the result is embarrassing, even sad.

My favorite is when he rails about “record profits” for the oil companies, cited in absolute dollars. That’s like screaming how much money my local McDonalds makes relative to my kid’s lemonade stand - in itself it means nothing because of the difference in scale. Oil companies are enormous in size - any year they make a profit it’s likely to be huge in absolute terms. The only measure that really means anything is profit margin, and even that has to be averaged over time since the price of crude (and the economy) oscillates so much.

O’Reilly also seems to be of the impression that the oil companies set the price of crude. Someone needs to introduce him to OPEC.

O’Reilly has a lot of influence - if the wanted to do something “for the folks” he’d actually get off his high horse and try to find out how economics actually works in the energy sector.


25 posted on 02/25/2012 4:51:07 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

O’Reilly has been on a crusade defending Obama from oil prices, and going after oil companies and speculators.


26 posted on 02/25/2012 4:52:12 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Recon Dad

“I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about Zero getting a second term”.

I sleep peacefully, but that may be a function of my age. During waking hours, the second term issue is going to say so much about America, that the mere thought of it causes me great concern. We know who wins this war, but in the meantime it is up to us to live with the consequences, and I for one do not like certain consequences. Take for example TSA...Please.

Bill Clinton’s second term was tolerable for many reasons. This president’s second will be an intolerable Hell IHMO! I have to ask just how high a gas price could I tolerate to insure he doesn’t get a second.


27 posted on 02/25/2012 5:12:23 AM PST by wita
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To: Recon Dad
That may not be too far off: U.S. House sets date to discuss Northeastern refinery closures
28 posted on 02/25/2012 5:17:57 AM PST by epithermal
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To: Stosh

Part of O’Really’s problem is he can’t separate crude oil and refined product during his thought process. Last night he actually said oil is America’s number 1 export.


29 posted on 02/25/2012 5:23:43 AM PST by csmusaret (I have kleptomania, but when it gets too bad I take something.)
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To: wita

For a real waking nightmare, consider the possibility that his supporters do not care about oil prices, consider oil dirty and live in cities w/public transport. They receive food stamps or have public pensions. They are already on Medicare, Medicaid or receive union medical benefits. Their life goal is to feel good about themselves. They equate collective control with being *good*.

I have the misfortune of knowing a confirmed statist who is about to see their property values decimated by high voltage transmission lines that may not be needed and will transport coal-produced energy from the West to the urban Midwest. This project is being fast-tracked by the administration. The *reasons* and goals presented to the public have all been fallacious. This person has done the research, knows the facts and can still state: “We must control the use of coal because it is dirty”, even though that has nothing to do with issue, coal will not be controlled and is, in fact, the production method being benefited by the project.

On every aspect of their life, zer0 has had a negative influence. They are not unaware of these impacts. Try to enlighten them about the causes, however, and they get this terrified look and literally moan:”I have to leave, now.”

Bottom line: they will vote for the tyrant. It is truly a mental disorder. We must outnumber them. We must vote and it must be against zer0.


30 posted on 02/25/2012 5:32:02 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent post, and your last sentence, especially, is spot on. I believe it is the only purpose that O’Rielly serves; to demonstrate how not to engage in debate. I can’t watch him any more because he is incapable of learning anything from a guest. He goes into every interview KNOWING exactly what he believes is 100% correct.

The best illustration is his interview with Wafa Sultan about her book, A God Who Hates. This Muslim woman, born and raised in Syria, tried to explain that hatred of Jews and abuse of women are cultural and faith-based beliefs, supported by the Koran. BOR told her she was wrong. He is neither Muslim, a woman, nor raised in an Islamic country, but HE knows what Islamic religion and culture teach. Unbelievable....I haven’t watched him since that interview except to see Dennis Miller.


31 posted on 02/25/2012 5:34:21 AM PST by Regina (pax78)
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To: Stosh

“like public education (since he spent some time in the trenches as a high school teacher).”

add, while evading the draft.


32 posted on 02/25/2012 5:45:30 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Voter#537

I was in college during the first oil crisis in 1973. My econ prof said that the reason for the price increases and shortages was that bot supply and demand were inelastic. He was a proponant of free enterprise, and yet he didn’t see that it was government regulation that was making it so. A little deregulation in the late seventies and early eighties showd that both supply and demand for petroleum were quite elastic over time, and would be if the government stayed out of the way.


33 posted on 02/25/2012 5:48:33 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Recon Dad
You go back to his childhood days I will bet you find Bill surrounded by a family of NYC union employees
Not just his childhood but the childhoods of all his ancestors since they fled Ireland.
My roots are NYC Irish 1850 (including a gg-grandmother O'Reilly), with ancestral links to labor unions as teamsters, printers and coopers.
34 posted on 02/25/2012 5:53:43 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; mickie; flaglady47; seenenuf; Bob Ireland; ExTexasRedhead; Chigirl 26
Krauthammer demolished BO'R last night.....at which point the weasley Bloviator completely backtracked, denying he had been urging Obama over the airwaves to use fascist tactics to control the oil industry.....which, of course, he had been doing.

Kraut recognized this backtracking and revision of history, and graciously let O'R off the hook.

The other night, little Mary Katharine Ham tried to inform O'Reilly some real facts on the oil industry's "obscene profits", but, as usual, she was interrupted, over-talked, outgunned and drowned out by the pompous big mouths of the host and Alan Colmes.

The statist O'Reilly doesn't want to hear any facts when it comes to his off-the-wall attacks on big corporations.

I always find it fascinating to observe the disrespect, verbal abuse and insults to their intelligence that the Factor's regular contributors constantly endure for the great privilege of being on his show....and, of course, the public exposure and regular stipend they garner is probably a factor, also.

Leni

35 posted on 02/25/2012 6:02:35 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Regina
I can’t watch him any more because he is incapable of learning anything from a guest.
Not just learning, but his tacit agreement with some guests whom he allows to spew their hatred and bias unchecked.
Best example is Marc Lamont Hill. BOR's lip prints are all over this guy's butt and 0bama's too.
36 posted on 02/25/2012 6:03:55 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: eCSMaster

No, on many matters, O’Reilly is not just a pinhead, but an ARROGANT pinhead....


37 posted on 02/25/2012 6:09:26 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: nathanbedford
with apologies to Ted Knight

Find O'Reilly

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38 posted on 02/25/2012 6:10:47 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: reformedliberal

For a real waking nightmare, consider the possibility that his supporters do not care about oil prices, consider oil dirty and live in cities w/public transport. They receive food stamps or have public pensions. They are already on Medicare, Medicaid or receive union medical benefits. Their life goal is to feel good about themselves. They equate collective control with being *good*.

Believe me, even in SD such people exist. Some are citizens of a sovereign nation, within our borders, that do not live in cities w/public transportation. Many others are move ins, that strangely enough bring there statist ideas with them to a land somewhat removed from the ideas given birth in the large population centers of the land.


39 posted on 02/25/2012 6:25:00 AM PST by wita
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The White House has CZAR B.O.

FOX has Bag O'Rocks B.O.
40 posted on 02/25/2012 6:37:03 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: exit82

A malapert; a witling!


41 posted on 02/25/2012 6:37:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bill O’Reilly: What Presidents Obama and Carter Do Not Understand
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2783231/posts

O’Reilly “This is not a partisan analysis. When President Obama took office, I knew he was an income redistribution guy. In fact, I challenged him on that in our first interview during the 2008 campaign. But once elected I decided to give the president a chance to see if his economic vision, big government management of the economy, could turn things around.”


42 posted on 02/25/2012 6:39:38 AM PST by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Earlier this week, O’Rielly had some oil guy on and after extracting the answer O’Rielly wanted, which we knew, there is enough gas in the US. O’Rielly had no interest into getting a full explanation, but I think the guy was saying,

...that just refining oil for the US market would be smaller volume and would end up costing more. But thanks to O’Rielly, we may never know...


43 posted on 02/25/2012 6:43:18 AM PST by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I stopped watching O’Reilly many years ago, once I realized that, he was compromising his positions in order to gain a larger audience which included liberals. I don’t ever take anything he has to say with any kind of seriousness at all.

To him, a larger audience meant a bigger paycheck, the truth be damned.


44 posted on 02/25/2012 6:54:31 AM PST by adorno
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Bill O’Reilly is a thinking man, a well-educated man, and a highly intelligent man. “

BOR is a moron. His father told him the oil companies fix the market price.


45 posted on 02/25/2012 7:00:46 AM PST by y6162
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To: MinuteGal; Forty-Niner; exit82; Doogle; unkus; gonzo; Foolsgold; sheik yerbouty; vette6387; ...

I, for one, have made the decision to forgo watching the closet Liberals and/or Liberal rectum-kissers on FOX and elsewhere.


46 posted on 02/25/2012 7:05:12 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: BTCM

It’s a never ending puzzle to me how Bill O’Reilly retains his popularity and gets ratings for his Fox show.

The sight of him causes a gag reflex. I can’t stand the guy.


47 posted on 02/25/2012 7:13:38 AM PST by altura
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To: oh8eleven

I was born in Staten Island and my last name begins with an O’,.......


48 posted on 02/25/2012 7:14:20 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: y6162

His father told him the oil companies fix the market price.

Assuming his father was born around the beginning of the century, they did. But as we know things change and the oil industry has changed more and been influenced more than any other I know of.


49 posted on 02/25/2012 7:20:54 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: wita

I hear you.

We have considered SoDak, but the places we are attracted to because of the availability of navigable water and *some* hills, such as Yankton, are full of statists, due to the universities. However, you are still in a state that is affordable, has an economy and AFAIK,is still sovereign. If you had more hills and more rainfall, you would be overrun.

We have the statists over here in SW WI, too. More and more of them every year. Not just the transplants, but the inculcated younger generation and, of course, the unionized.

I don’t have any answer to the problem of the tribes. As you said, they are their own nation and we have little input, except for all the Federal tax money. Poster children for the folly of white guilt and Federal dependence.

I am glad to be old. We experienced the very best time of this nation. Sux to be ending our lives in America’s decline.


50 posted on 02/25/2012 7:21:08 AM PST by reformedliberal
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