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To: patlin
Wow!

#1: The law of YHVH is not found in the NT although it is quoted a lot. The NT wasn't even Scripture during the time of Christ and thus the only Scripture Jesus, Paul & the others speak of is found in Gen-Mal, but mainly Gen-Dt which we will be judged against.

To Christians, the New Testament is actually more important than the Old Testament and whose commands (posited either by Jesus, our Lord and Savior, or his Apostles) are to be taken as just important as the Laws of the Old Testament.

#2: Had you studied 1st century history, you would know that deacons, bishops, etc were pharisees, scribes, rabbis etc who had formal training and were of the levitical background. They were all very well studied in Torah as Paul was.

So?

The New Testament covers just about every leadership position in the church with Deacons and bishops. The implications of the scriptures I posted is that if a man had more than one wife, they could not be a leader in the church since their reputation was not good, implying that they were sinning.

Well, since we are still here, then Torah still stands. I suggest you start in the beginning and not 2/3 of the way through because the last 3rd didn't even exist and there is no new law in it. Nothing new under the sun. Want to follow Christ, then study the Scripture He taught, the Scripture he gave from the beginning as he was there in the beginning(John 1:1-14) and all the way through until he came in the flesh.

And yet with Christ's comming and his death and resurrection he did away with a whole section of the law, mainly the sacrificial law.

His sacrifice was meant to do away with the endless and basically useless sacrifices of the Old Testament.

And yes, there is something new in the New Testament and Christ summed it up with "You must be born again".
135 posted on 03/01/2012 7:30:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
To Christians, the New Testament is actually more important than the Old Testament

this is exactly why I left the church a couple of years ago. YHVH finally revealed the truth to my heart.

Joh 5:45 “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Mosheh, in whom you have set your expectation. Joh 5:46 “For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, since he wrote about Me. Joh 5:47 “But if you do not believe his writings,1 how shall you believe My words?” Footnote: 1Lk. 9:33, Lk. 16:31, Mal. 4:4-5.

Joh 12:44 Then יהושע cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. Joh 12:45 “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. Joh 14:24 “He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. Joh 14:25 “These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. Joh 14:26 “But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.

You see, xtianity preaches and worships the sent one, not "THE ONE" as the sent one commanded us to do. It is all about the Father, not the son. IOW, they teach & preach the doctrine of man, not that of God. Why? Religious power, the worst of all evils. The Catholic leaders proudly proclaim that they have the power to change the doctrine of the Creator and thus all xtianity is under their authority to this day, even those still in protest since the Luther. Regardless, Scripture only denied multiple marriages to the priesthood because of its tendancy to corrupt the spirit. Do I promote polygamy? Hell No! But it is not for me or any man to judge as a moral or legal issue outside the priesthood.

142 posted on 03/01/2012 8:01:31 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: SoConPubbie

Another piont. You might want to actually look intpo the Greek to see the difference between “Law” & law. “Law” is Torah and in Mt 5, Yeshua Messiah said he did not come to take it away, in fact he said it was to stay in tact as long as this heaven & earth still exist.

“law”, small “l” is dogma, the religious doctrine & ordinances put in place by man. That is the law that was nailed to the cross, not the “Law”, Torah of God.

FYI, there was no Greek word for Torah and thus the Greeks translated it as law. Atleast they were intellectually honest as to use the correct definitions which xtian doctrine sidesteps in their teaching, which is totally intellectually dishonest! But if one actually takes the time and looks up what Torah means, they find it literally means “instruction” as in how to live according the instructions of YHVH.


146 posted on 03/01/2012 8:10:22 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: SoConPubbie
To Christians, the New Testament is actually more important than the Old Testament and whose commands (posited either by Jesus, our Lord and Savior, or his Apostles) are to be taken as just important as the Laws of the Old Testament.

Well, the New Testament is not more important. It is just as important.

The 66 Books of the Bible are to be taken as a whole, and they are inexhaustible, to say the least.



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