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Obama's giveaway: Oil-rich islands to Russia
wnd.com ^ | Joe Miller

Posted on 03/02/2012 5:57:22 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2

Exclusive: Joe Miller sounds alarm over deal to put land in hands of Putin's Kremlin

The Obama administration, despite the nation’s economic woes, effectively killed the job-producing Keystone Pipeline last month. The Arab Spring is turning the oil production of Libya and other Arab nations over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Iraq is distancing itself from the U.S. And everyone recognizes that Iran, whose crude supplies are critical to the European economy, will do anything it can to frustrate America’s strategic interests. In the face of all of this, Obama insists on cutting back U.S. oil potential with outrageous restrictions.

Part of Obama’s apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state’s sovereign territory. Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.

The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment.

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Joe Miller was the 2010 Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate from Alaska.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alaska; energy; illegal; impeach; obama; russia; unconstitutional

1 posted on 03/02/2012 5:57:32 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I have an old atlas which proved to me that the article was a bunch of bull.


2 posted on 03/02/2012 6:01:25 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Iam1ru1-2

1) It would not surprise me if obama had indirect or direct contact with kgb persons in his youth, he is one type of profile and hung out with people they might have found useful
2) he may have been debriefed/etc. when he was briefly detained in russia a few years back. they certainly had him alone for several hours.
3) a map is useful for looking at this case here. the only real question is whether there are counter-claims of russia’s that should logically have been withdrawn as part of this deal, because the islands themselves are far, far from what anyone is going to look at and call american.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 6:03:03 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Iam1ru1-2; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; GeronL; SunkenCiv

Anyone got a map?


4 posted on 03/02/2012 6:08:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

While I’m not a fan of Obama, he is not selling out US sovereignty, at least on this issue. The United States has NEVER claimed the islands. If you look at an atlas, you will clearly see they are to the north of Siberia and are not near Alaska or the Aleutian Islands.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 6:20:28 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I saw some threads on this before. Pretty sure it's tinfoil raving.

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6 posted on 03/02/2012 6:22:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Wiki article on Henrietta Island (part of the DeLong Islands)

Some U.S. individuals assert American ownership of Henrietta Island based on the 1881 discovery and claim. A resolution of the Alaska State Senate in 1988 supported this claim. There also are various documents from the former Department of the Navy stating that the United States asserts sovereignty over the island. However, according to the U.S. Department of State in 2003, the U.S. government has never claimed Henrietta Island. In 1994, the Alaska State Supreme Court ruled in D. Denardo v. State of Alaska that Henrietta Island, along with several islands, is not part of Alaska.

7 posted on 03/02/2012 6:37:16 PM PST by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

This is obama’s jimmy carter moment.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 6:43:20 PM PST by Ham Hock
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To: Iam1ru1-2
1) The islands are not and never were part of Alaska, they were not included in the purchase of Alaska.

2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.

3)The treaty on the maritime border was negotiated in 1990 and ratified by the Senate and signed by President Bush in 1991.

A map of the islands:


9 posted on 03/02/2012 6:49:52 PM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: WoofDog123
What would a Muslim Terrorist do if he were made President by massive financial contributions by terrorist nations?

Exactly what Obama is doing!

HINT: The name Hussein is a dead give away

10 posted on 03/02/2012 7:29:58 PM PST by politicianslie (Obama: America's first Muslim POTUS, doing all he can to destroy America. HELLO, can anyone th)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, a map would be nice. I recall reading an article back in the 70’s about how Wrangell Island was considered geologically part of Alaska, included in the Alaskan sale of 1867 and was even explored by Americans. But one day in the 1920’s, Russian marines showed up, occupied the island and later set up a forced labor camp. FDR’s State Department basically signed it over to them so as not to damage the World War II alliance.


11 posted on 03/02/2012 7:46:42 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sacajaweau

What does an old atlas have anything to do with the article? Please explain your strange comparison. I can show you that it’s true because I have a newer map of Alaska. How’s that for the explanation.


12 posted on 03/02/2012 7:48:25 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2 (For those who don't want to know the truth, nothing will convince them otherwise!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I have no idea who has title to any of these islands, but:

How in the hell can Zer0 or Hitlary make any kind of a ownership proclamation without a vote on a new ownership treaty by the full Senate????

Or, is that old curled up parchment document getting in Zer0’s way once again???


13 posted on 03/02/2012 9:25:21 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: WoofDog123

probably. he acts 1) in the intersts of russia and 2) in the interests of trans-nationalist radical islam. choose your poison, he seems to do both.


14 posted on 03/02/2012 11:30:18 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Vigilanteman

I didn’t know this, and it is interesting.


15 posted on 03/02/2012 11:31:53 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Iam1ru1-2
My old 1917 Atlas shows the same demarcation line as my New Atlas.

You can read the Treaty: Google the Avalon Project

Sometimes these treaties are rewritten to better define a line. The 1783 USA/British Treaty defining the division between the US and Canada wasn't "accurately" defined until the Treaty of Ghent in 1814.

16 posted on 03/03/2012 4:57:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "Anyone got a map?"
Not much shows up using google map or google world as far as showing names of this set of islands. Sure looks like they are far withing the sphere of Siberia.
17 posted on 03/03/2012 10:32:18 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle; Vigilanteman; Cheburashka
Looking at map ---#9. .

They would seem to be on the Russian side of the line.

And # 11 shows some history.

18 posted on 03/03/2012 10:47:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I used the posted map as a starting point in google map and google world. Islands in question where not even labeled.


19 posted on 03/03/2012 10:53:43 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Cheburashka

You are incorrect on point 2. These islands were claimed by officers of the US Navy on the Jeannette Expedition in 1881. My ancestor perished on that expedition, so I want to make sure the facts are correct. Page 21 of “In The Lena Delta” by George Wallace Melville describes claiming Henrietta Island for the US. http://books.google.com/books?id=O20SAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false (see page 21). See also the official Navy records here: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/ev-1880s/jean-c.htm

This is official Navy history, but apparently the State Dept. decided to rewrite history in 2003 and disavowed this historical claim, likely to gain favor with Russia. The brave men of the USS Jeannette discovered and claimed these islands for the U.S. which is a historical fact. It’s disgusting that their memory and extreme sacrifice would be lessened by the very country they proudly served.


20 posted on 03/22/2012 12:23:10 PM PDT by Say_No_2_Tyranny
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To: Say_No_2_Tyranny

A “claim” made by an mere officer does not commit the U.S. to ownership of anything. Such ownership decisions are made way above their pay grade. Ownership claims have never been by the U.S. government. The Russians have made ownership claims, and enforced them on the islands themselves.


21 posted on 03/22/2012 1:37:55 PM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Cheburashka

Your quote was “2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.”

My point was that the officers of the Jeannette Expedition did in fact claim the islands as territory of the United States in 1881. After drifting in ice floes in search of a Northwest Passageway for 2 years, they discovered the islands, Russia did not. This is published fact in many historical documents and disputes your statement that there was no such claim.

A direct quote from the log journal of George Wallace Melville states, “...I, as a commissioned officer and proper representative of the Government, landed first; and, having claimed the island as the territory of the United States, invited my companions on shore...” (pg. 21 of “In the Lena Delta”, in reference to the discovery and naming of Henrietta Island.)

Your original statement was erroneous and deserved a fact check in honor of the men who died in service to this country.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 8:30:43 PM PDT by Say_No_2_Tyranny
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To: Say_No_2_Tyranny

My original statement is correct. The U.S. has never claimed the islands. The actions of some officer do not bind the U.S. government, and the U.S. government has never recognized or claimed the islands as American territory.


23 posted on 03/23/2012 1:26:19 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Cheburashka

Believe what you will, but I presented the proof that your statement was wrong. The men of the Jeannette Expedition discovered the islands, claimed the islands for the US, planted a flag on the islands, and acting as representatives of the U.S. Government, claimed them as territories of the United States. It’s historical fact. What the U.S. Government in D.C. did from that point is separate, but it dishonors the memory of the men who sacrificed their lives on this mission to state that “no claim was made” when it certainly was.

By the way, George Wallace Melville wasn’t “some officer”. He was a hero and deserves much more respect than you’ve given him.


24 posted on 03/23/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by Say_No_2_Tyranny
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To: Say_No_2_Tyranny
What the U.S. Government in D.C. did from that point is separate...

It is not separate, it is the whole point. The United States never claimed ownership of the islands.

By the way, George Wallace Melville wasn’t “some officer”. He was a hero and deserves much more respect than you’ve given him.


The heroism of George Wallace Melville, however exemplary, is not relevant.

I have explained the situation to you, you do not accept the explanation. That is your decision. I am certain that this post will not convince you either. I accept that. I consider this matter closed. Good luck in your future endeavors.

25 posted on 03/23/2012 8:01:33 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Cheburashka
Again, you said no claim was made in your original statement and instead stated that Russia claimed these islands. I presented that the officers of the USS Jeannette indeed made the claim in 1881:

"...I, as a commissioned officer and proper representative of the Government, landed first; and, having claimed the island as the territory of the United States, invited my companions on shore..." - G.W. Melville

It's plain English that the claim was made on behalf of the U.S. Government - those are Melville's words verbatim. We went from you stating that there was never a U.S. claim, to you stating that claims by Naval Officers are meaningless because they don't represent the government in any official sense. I suppose that's progress.

As I stated before, my ancestor perished on this expedition. I know this history well. Your original statement was misleading and has now been corrected, although you refuse to concede that point. That is fine, as I've put the facts out there (with sources). The Navy recognizes the claim, but the State Department does not. None of that takes away from how the islands were discovered and who laid claim to them first.

And your comments about "mere officer", "some officer", "above his pay grade" and that his heroism is "not relevant" are offensive. George Wallace Melville is considered the father of the modern U.S. Navy. Your words show no respect to a man that survived more and achieved more than any modern man could imagine.

And with that, I too, am finished.

26 posted on 03/23/2012 3:17:54 PM PDT by Say_No_2_Tyranny
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To: politicianslie

BTTT

**Author’s addendum, Feb. 17, 2012: This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction. A maritime agreement negotiated by the U.S. State Department set the Russian boundary on the other side of the disputed islands, but no treaty has ratified this action. Consequently, it is within the president’s power to stop this giveaway. The Alaska delegation’s failure to put pressure on the administration is inexplicable. State Department Watch, an organization that assisted with this article, has confronted each administration and is currently confronting the Obama administration — and has been met by silence. I’m hoping this piece will help reinvigorate efforts to stop this handover.**


27 posted on 04/23/2012 6:45:24 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Sacajaweau

De Nardo explains, with *maps*:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azmq3bPoLxI&feature=plcp&context=C3ecc741UDOEgsToPDskKpZ9fcZCnwAc575oRIUC7R


28 posted on 04/23/2012 6:53:08 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

I’m a cartographer AND I have read the treaty. There is NOT a problem.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 7:26:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Say_No_2_Tyranny
And France planted flags, constructed forts and recited their te deum along the Ohio....but the still don't own an inch of the USA....

So we have a paper claiming the moon, right?? It's not how this stuff works.

30 posted on 04/24/2012 7:33:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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