Skip to comments.Obama's giveaway: Oil-rich islands to Russia
Posted on 03/02/2012 5:57:22 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
Exclusive: Joe Miller sounds alarm over deal to put land in hands of Putin's Kremlin
The Obama administration, despite the nations economic woes, effectively killed the job-producing Keystone Pipeline last month. The Arab Spring is turning the oil production of Libya and other Arab nations over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Iraq is distancing itself from the U.S. And everyone recognizes that Iran, whose crude supplies are critical to the European economy, will do anything it can to frustrate Americas strategic interests. In the face of all of this, Obama insists on cutting back U.S. oil potential with outrageous restrictions.
Part of Obamas apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my states sovereign territory. Obamas State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.
The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.
The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.
The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment.
Joe Miller was the 2010 Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate from Alaska.
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I have an old atlas which proved to me that the article was a bunch of bull.
1) It would not surprise me if obama had indirect or direct contact with kgb persons in his youth, he is one type of profile and hung out with people they might have found useful
2) he may have been debriefed/etc. when he was briefly detained in russia a few years back. they certainly had him alone for several hours.
3) a map is useful for looking at this case here. the only real question is whether there are counter-claims of russia’s that should logically have been withdrawn as part of this deal, because the islands themselves are far, far from what anyone is going to look at and call american.
Anyone got a map?
While I’m not a fan of Obama, he is not selling out US sovereignty, at least on this issue. The United States has NEVER claimed the islands. If you look at an atlas, you will clearly see they are to the north of Siberia and are not near Alaska or the Aleutian Islands.
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Some U.S. individuals assert American ownership of Henrietta Island based on the 1881 discovery and claim. A resolution of the Alaska State Senate in 1988 supported this claim. There also are various documents from the former Department of the Navy stating that the United States asserts sovereignty over the island. However, according to the U.S. Department of State in 2003, the U.S. government has never claimed Henrietta Island. In 1994, the Alaska State Supreme Court ruled in D. Denardo v. State of Alaska that Henrietta Island, along with several islands, is not part of Alaska.
This is obama’s jimmy carter moment.
2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.
3)The treaty on the maritime border was negotiated in 1990 and ratified by the Senate and signed by President Bush in 1991.
A map of the islands:
Exactly what Obama is doing!
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Yes, a map would be nice. I recall reading an article back in the 70’s about how Wrangell Island was considered geologically part of Alaska, included in the Alaskan sale of 1867 and was even explored by Americans. But one day in the 1920’s, Russian marines showed up, occupied the island and later set up a forced labor camp. FDR’s State Department basically signed it over to them so as not to damage the World War II alliance.
What does an old atlas have anything to do with the article? Please explain your strange comparison. I can show you that it’s true because I have a newer map of Alaska. How’s that for the explanation.
I have no idea who has title to any of these islands, but:
How in the hell can Zer0 or Hitlary make any kind of a ownership proclamation without a vote on a new ownership treaty by the full Senate????
Or, is that old curled up parchment document getting in Zer0’s way once again???
probably. he acts 1) in the intersts of russia and 2) in the interests of trans-nationalist radical islam. choose your poison, he seems to do both.
I didn’t know this, and it is interesting.
You can read the Treaty: Google the Avalon Project
Sometimes these treaties are rewritten to better define a line. The 1783 USA/British Treaty defining the division between the US and Canada wasn't "accurately" defined until the Treaty of Ghent in 1814.
They would seem to be on the Russian side of the line.
And # 11 shows some history.
I used the posted map as a starting point in google map and google world. Islands in question where not even labeled.
You are incorrect on point 2. These islands were claimed by officers of the US Navy on the Jeannette Expedition in 1881. My ancestor perished on that expedition, so I want to make sure the facts are correct. Page 21 of “In The Lena Delta” by George Wallace Melville describes claiming Henrietta Island for the US. http://books.google.com/books?id=O20SAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false (see page 21). See also the official Navy records here: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/ev-1880s/jean-c.htm
This is official Navy history, but apparently the State Dept. decided to rewrite history in 2003 and disavowed this historical claim, likely to gain favor with Russia. The brave men of the USS Jeannette discovered and claimed these islands for the U.S. which is a historical fact. It’s disgusting that their memory and extreme sacrifice would be lessened by the very country they proudly served.
A “claim” made by an mere officer does not commit the U.S. to ownership of anything. Such ownership decisions are made way above their pay grade. Ownership claims have never been by the U.S. government. The Russians have made ownership claims, and enforced them on the islands themselves.
Your quote was “2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.”
My point was that the officers of the Jeannette Expedition did in fact claim the islands as territory of the United States in 1881. After drifting in ice floes in search of a Northwest Passageway for 2 years, they discovered the islands, Russia did not. This is published fact in many historical documents and disputes your statement that there was no such claim.
A direct quote from the log journal of George Wallace Melville states, “...I, as a commissioned officer and proper representative of the Government, landed first; and, having claimed the island as the territory of the United States, invited my companions on shore...” (pg. 21 of “In the Lena Delta”, in reference to the discovery and naming of Henrietta Island.)
Your original statement was erroneous and deserved a fact check in honor of the men who died in service to this country.
My original statement is correct. The U.S. has never claimed the islands. The actions of some officer do not bind the U.S. government, and the U.S. government has never recognized or claimed the islands as American territory.
Believe what you will, but I presented the proof that your statement was wrong. The men of the Jeannette Expedition discovered the islands, claimed the islands for the US, planted a flag on the islands, and acting as representatives of the U.S. Government, claimed them as territories of the United States. It’s historical fact. What the U.S. Government in D.C. did from that point is separate, but it dishonors the memory of the men who sacrificed their lives on this mission to state that “no claim was made” when it certainly was.
By the way, George Wallace Melville wasn’t “some officer”. He was a hero and deserves much more respect than you’ve given him.
By the way, George Wallace Melville wasnt some officer. He was a hero and deserves much more respect than youve given him.
I have explained the situation to you, you do not accept the explanation. That is your decision. I am certain that this post will not convince you either. I accept that. I consider this matter closed. Good luck in your future endeavors.
"...I, as a commissioned officer and proper representative of the Government, landed first; and, having claimed the island as the territory of the United States, invited my companions on shore..." - G.W. Melville
It's plain English that the claim was made on behalf of the U.S. Government - those are Melville's words verbatim. We went from you stating that there was never a U.S. claim, to you stating that claims by Naval Officers are meaningless because they don't represent the government in any official sense. I suppose that's progress.
As I stated before, my ancestor perished on this expedition. I know this history well. Your original statement was misleading and has now been corrected, although you refuse to concede that point. That is fine, as I've put the facts out there (with sources). The Navy recognizes the claim, but the State Department does not. None of that takes away from how the islands were discovered and who laid claim to them first.
And your comments about "mere officer", "some officer", "above his pay grade" and that his heroism is "not relevant" are offensive. George Wallace Melville is considered the father of the modern U.S. Navy. Your words show no respect to a man that survived more and achieved more than any modern man could imagine.
And with that, I too, am finished.
**Authors addendum, Feb. 17, 2012: This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction. A maritime agreement negotiated by the U.S. State Department set the Russian boundary on the other side of the disputed islands, but no treaty has ratified this action. Consequently, it is within the presidents power to stop this giveaway. The Alaska delegations failure to put pressure on the administration is inexplicable. State Department Watch, an organization that assisted with this article, has confronted each administration and is currently confronting the Obama administration and has been met by silence. Im hoping this piece will help reinvigorate efforts to stop this handover.**
De Nardo explains, with *maps*:
I’m a cartographer AND I have read the treaty. There is NOT a problem.
So we have a paper claiming the moon, right?? It's not how this stuff works.