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Pixels Don't Lie
March 4, 2012 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/04/2012 11:50:20 AM PST by ethical

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To: MrShoop

Let’s assume that you are right. Why would the pdf file have been presented as anything other than a straight scan? Why not a picture of someone in Hawaii holding it? Why not a simple press conference, TOMORROW, in Hawaii? The proper authority figure could hold up the actual piece of paper, shake it, let the press take numerous hi-def photos, which would make Arpaio, me, and all the people on here you consider birthers, look like imbeciles. Do you honestly think that Hawaiian authorities aren’t aware of the cold case posse? I’m sorry that you don’t understand how easy it is for people to locate a troll here.


81 posted on 03/05/2012 1:10:57 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Triple

An expert forger couldn’t be trusted not to be bought or respond to the prospect of gain for “outing” BO.

I guess, though, they could have hired one, then offed him. I’m surprised they didn’t do just that.


82 posted on 03/05/2012 1:14:30 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrShoop

It’s nice to see someone in these discussions who actually knows how the software works. First of all, the Illustrator file doesn’t actually have “layers,” it has “groups” on a single layer. If the document was forged the way people claim, it would have actual layers.

Second, nobody would use Illustrator for a job like this. If you’re going to copy and past fragments of other documents to create a forgery, you’d use Photoshop, a program a lot more people have heard of. I wonder how many of the conspiracy theorists even know Adobe made a product named Illustrator before all this.

Third, even the internal details of how the forgery “must” have been created don’t make sense. We’re supposed to believe that they copied one numeral ‘1’ from one source and a different numeral ‘1’ from another—what the heck for? If you’re bad enough at this that you wouldn’t even flatten the image, why wouldn’t you just duplicate the ‘1’?

And fourth, one thing I agree with the birthers on is that an online PDF of a birth certificate isn’t legal proof. But if you can’t verify the veracity of a digital document, you can’t prove it a forgery either.


83 posted on 03/05/2012 1:34:57 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: MrShoop

And I would say to your explanation, why is the font size of the “M” in the P.M time of the “messiah’s” birth so obiously smaller than the rest of the type? I was alive then and I knew about computers - big ass things. I’d never heard of font size, computers that were used for everyday office keeping duties, etc.


84 posted on 03/05/2012 1:44:18 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: MrB

Ok lets think that through...

How would the WH find the *one* forger they want, without raising any suspicion?

Then, assuming they find a true expert, how do they keep perfect confidence there is no trace between the forger and the WH. (even after the disappearance) A professional forger has got to have a some experience in staying alive, and not getting caught.

Seems to me that it would be too risky, and worth it *only* if there was not someone adequate that could be controlled/trusted.


85 posted on 03/05/2012 1:47:47 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: HMS Surprise
Fact: I downloaded the PDF file directly from the White House website myself. Fact: The layering (read: alterations) are not arbitrary, they are specific. A computer doesn’t know to pick out objects that would necessarily need alteration. Even less than stellar minds can differentiate from noise and intelligent design. Fact: Adobe software design experts were employed by Arpaio’s research team. Did you hear any protests from them about the findings? Fact: You have a strange political affectation; I would call it 5th Columnitis.

That's simply not true. There are multiple places in the document where there are words that are split between multiple layers (e.g., the first half of a word is on one layer, the rest on another). For example, the (pre-printed) line "Name of Hospital or Institution (If not in hospital or institution, give street address)" is split among two layers as follows:

one layer contains "N___ _f H______l __ I__________ (If ___ __ h_______ __ ____________ ____ ______ add____)"

Another layer contains "_ame o_ _ospita_ or _nstitution ___ not in _ospital or institution, give street ___ress_"

If, as you assert, the layering is "not arbitrary," but rather "specific," why would the person working with the layers they split that sentence (or any of the other words/lines that are so split) across different layers?

86 posted on 03/05/2012 1:49:34 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Triple

Indeed, they would opt more for “trust” than for “expertise”.

Anyone that would engage in such a huge fraud would cover their bases. And the more “professional” the forger, the better he would have set up his “insurance policies”.

They wouldn’t be able to keep him “bought”.


87 posted on 03/05/2012 1:54:20 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Gaffer

The M. was already on the form, since both A.M. and P.M. both end in M. That way, you don’t have to type M. every time. When you fill in a form the old-fashioned way, by hand or typewriter, every letter you don’t have to fill in saves time.


88 posted on 03/05/2012 2:00:07 PM PST by HoneysuckleTN (Where the woodbine twineth...)
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To: Gaffer

The ‘M’ is on the form. They typed in only the A (for AM) or the P.

That said there are *many* real problems beyond that, such as color aberrations from scanning missing and single color “Unblurred” text and image marks. Read the Mara Zebest report.

From Zebest page 3:
“Scanned images will have a consistent noise. Any inconsistencies in noise would be a strong telltale sign of tampering. When looking at an image at a normal zoom level (100%) colors may appear as one color of any particular area of an image. Zooming in closer to the area, consistent noise is easily apparent in the slight variations of color from neighboring pixels that make up each color (shown in Figure 8). This is the natural noise level for this image. Note that it is consistent throughout the image; variations can be seen for neighboring pixels of each color area in the original image.”


It is clearly a forgery...


89 posted on 03/05/2012 2:01:20 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Gaffer
And I would say to your explanation, why is the font size of the “M” in the P.M time of the “messiah’s” birth so obiously smaller than the rest of the type? I was alive then and I knew about computers - big ass things. I’d never heard of font size, computers that were used for everyday office keeping duties, etc.

The "M" is the same size font as the pre-printed elements of the form. Considering that both "A.M." and "P.M." end with "M", it looks like the form was constructed so whoever was entering data would only have to type "A." or "P."

90 posted on 03/05/2012 2:01:46 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: MrShoop

Are you a troll? Tremblay’s spin was discredited long ago. Scanning a document does not generate layers of this kind.


91 posted on 03/05/2012 2:28:47 PM PST by expat2
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To: MrShoop

Are you a troll? Tremblay’s spin was discredited long ago. Scanning a document does not generate layers of this kind.


92 posted on 03/05/2012 2:30:44 PM PST by expat2
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Obama didn't have all these resource -- you can't use anyone other than a very close friend or relative to something this sensitive. unfortunately, the on(s) he chose were not as smart as they may have thought they were.
93 posted on 03/05/2012 2:34:03 PM PST by expat2
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

It doesn’t have to be Illustrator — there are lots of image processing apps that use layers to edit documents, and the layers stay if you are stupid/lazy enough to forget to flatten it before publishing it.


94 posted on 03/05/2012 2:41:32 PM PST by expat2
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To: expat2

Why would a person creating a document out of layers split individual words and sentences across multiple layers, seemingly randomly (see my post above for an example)?


95 posted on 03/05/2012 2:49:02 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Gaffer

The “M” is part of the form - the person filling it in only types the “A” or the “P”. You can clearly see it in the image I posted.


96 posted on 03/05/2012 2:54:25 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: expat2

Did you watch Arpaio’s video? Even they acknowledge scanning with OCR will create layers. In fact, their specific criticism is that there should be more layers.


97 posted on 03/05/2012 2:57:54 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: HMS Surprise

The PDF is a straight scan (with OCR enabled). If they realized that it would introduce artifacts, they may have chosen another format, or they may bot have cared. The controversy helps them at this point - it just diverts a lot of time and energy from real issues.


98 posted on 03/05/2012 3:20:05 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

One reason: if the forger were unhappy with his results for some parts of the text he was forging, and had another go at those parts. In that case, those parts would end up in a separate layer. (I should add that I have significant experience in editing imagery for (legal) use on the web, and have practical familiarity with the vagaries of layer generation during such editing).


99 posted on 03/05/2012 3:53:45 PM PST by expat2
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Okay. I see it now. Thanks.


100 posted on 03/05/2012 4:05:15 PM PST by Gaffer
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