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New poll shows Rick Santorum leading in Alabama GOP primary
al.com ^ | 03/07/12 | George Talbot

Posted on 03/08/2012 7:54:01 AM PST by pgkdan

A new poll released on the eve of Rick Santorum’s first campaign visit to Alabama shows the former U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania leading in the state Republican Party presidential primary.

The statewide poll conducted by Alabama State University’s Center for Leadership and Public Policy showed 22.7 percent of likely Republican voters supported Santorum, who is scheduled to make campaign appearances Thursday in Huntsville and Mobile.

Former Massachussetts Gov. Mitt Romney trailed Santorum with 18.7 percent, followed by Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House from neighboring Georgia, with 13.8 percent.

The telephone poll of 470 likely GOP voters showed 29.8 remained undecided and 15 percent saying they intended to support other candidates. The poll did not ask voters whether they supported Ron Paul, the Texas congressman seeking the GOP nomination.

The poll was conducted March 1, prior to the Super Tuesday vote that helped establish Romney and Santorum as leaders in the race for the nomination, with Romney holding a total of 415 delegates and Santorum with 176.

Gingrich, with 105 delegates, canceled campaign plans in Kansas this week to focus on voters in Alabama and Mississippi, which share a primary election day Tuesday.

But the poll results indicate that support for Gingrich is waning in Alabama, according to ASU political science professor Thomas Vocino.

“The numbers are just not in his favor, and the trend is working against him,” Vocino said. “I can’t foresee a situation where he can rebound and win in Alabama.”

Vocino said Gingrich’s support has fallen steeply since ASU began tracking the race five weeks ago. Gingrich led the field in Alabama with 26.9 percent in the initial round of polling on Feb. 2. His support slipped to 18.9 percent by Feb. 23, when results showed him with a slim lead over Santorum at 18.3 percent.

Santorum’s steady increase over the same time period came almost completely at Gingrich’s expense, Vocino said. Romney, by comparison, has held flat at around 16-18 percent, according to Vocino.

The results indicate that Gingrich is unlikely to reach the 20 percent threshold that would allow him to win delegates in any of the state’s seven congressional districts.

“I think it is very problematic for Gingrich to get any” delegates, Vocino said


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To: Red Steel

Newt just isn’t catching on. He doesn’t have a chance. He only won two contests, and all he’s doing is helping Mitt.


201 posted on 03/08/2012 12:24:29 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dt57

When I look at Rick, as well as look at his past, I love him:

“On abortion, he is one of many senators who vote pro-life. The difference is that he is personally responsible for making sure a lot of these votes occur in the first place: He was an architect of the effort to ban partial-birth abortion, a strategy that energized the pro-life movement and allowed it to go on the political offensive.”

http://www.heymiller.com/2010/08/the-fate-of-rick/

Rick Santorum gets things done, because he is a FIGHTER!


202 posted on 03/08/2012 12:26:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

“Santorum has consistently supported broad-based tax cuts and opposed tax increases either by sponsoring key legislation or by casting votes on relevant bills. Some high profile votes include:

•Voted NO on the Clinton tax hike in 1993
•Voted YES on the capital gains tax cut in 1997
•Voted NO on a cigarette tax hike in 1998
•Voted YES on repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax in 1999
•Voted YES on the 2001 Bush tax cuts
•Voted YES to repeal the Death Tax in 2002
•Voted YES to the 2003 Bush tax cuts
•Voted YES to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2006”

excerpt http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=902


203 posted on 03/08/2012 12:29:01 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

“Santorum can point to his eight years on the Senate Armed Services committee as proof that he will be prepared to handle an uncertain situation in the Middle East from day one.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-case-for-rick-santorum/2011/04/14/AFhEhpdD_blog.html


204 posted on 03/08/2012 12:33:33 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: SatinDoll
Washington is broken, it doesn’t work the way it is supposed to and Newt said, if elected, he will work to change the way Washington does business.

This is the money quote in my opinion. I think Newt is the only candidate with the proclivity to consider, embrace and act on ideas that are big enough to actually change the way Washington does business. This is no guarantee that he could actually succeed, but, at least there's a chance he could/would try. The other guys?...they're not change agents.

205 posted on 03/08/2012 12:34:41 PM PST by KMJames
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To: Sun

“Santorum has consistently supported broad-based tax cuts and opposed tax increases either by sponsoring key legislation or by casting votes on relevant bills. Some high profile votes include:”

Tax cuts are only temporary if you continually vote to expand government.


206 posted on 03/08/2012 12:37:29 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Sun
Newt just isn’t catching on. He doesn’t have a chance. He only won two contests, and all he’s doing is helping Mitt.

I disagree. He does have a chance. Again, the same can be said about Santo that he is also helping Myth.

I bet Newt after 7 days of campaigning in Alabama takes the state.

It is a fluid race, and for your info, Santo is tied with Newt in one recent Alabama poll and is losing to Newt in another recent Alabama poll.

207 posted on 03/08/2012 12:38:46 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Rick was one of the principal fighters for welfare reform and even wrote the bill, when he was a rep., and continued to fight as senator.

Rick, the fighter, gets things done!


208 posted on 03/08/2012 12:41:09 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

There are things I ‘love’ about Rick as well. What I don’t love is HIM. Yes, he is pro-life, and a wonderful family man. But takes more, lot’s more. If Rick is nominated he will not only cost us a chance to be Obama, he will destroy the down ticket. If he can not win me, a pro life, social conservative from Texas, he can’t win. I listen to him and I just shake my head. IT is not his POSITIONS it is the way he talks about them. He could say the same thing in a way that would not be so abrasive. NO, I have not ‘bought in’ to the media hype. I came to that conclusion all by my little self. So, some will say I am not really a social conservative, ok, go ahead. Some will say I am not ‘really’ an evangelical Christian, go ahead. Some will say I am a apid shrill. All because I don’t agree with them. Been at this a long time, trust me, he ain’t got it. I would love to be wrong you see.


209 posted on 03/08/2012 12:41:27 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Antoninus; All
187 posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:56:09 PM by Antoninus: “Careful. It's becoming painfully obvious that many of the Newt “supporters” on FR are actually Romneybots in disguise. You can tell them because they do nothing but trash Santorum who is NOT the main enemy here. They can't support Romney openly, so they do the next best thing and spread lies about Santorum.”

You may well be right.

I try to take people at face value unless proven otherwise. However, with the inherent anonymity of many internet forums, including but certainly not limited to Free Republic, lots of mischief can and does happen.

I can respect a sincere Gingrich supporter who has bought into Gingrich's political philosophy, including his advocacy of the need for an informed electorate and a classic Judeo-Christian view of civilization. I respect his legitimate accomplishments in the House of Representatives, doing what most people considered to be impossible by becoming Speaker. If it weren't for the issues in his personal life, I could easily see myself having been a Gingrich supporter. Even with that past, I have repeatedly (though largely unsuccessfully) tried to make a case to fellow evangelicals who know me personally that Gingrich is a legitimate choice.

Still, the repeated Christian-bashing I've seen here has had an effect.

I know what the Republican Party was like in the 1970s and early 1980s, and I know from personal experience how I was treated by fellow Republicans when I was converted in the mid-1980s.

I have not seen this level of anti-Christian sentiment among conservatives since those days. I thought those days were over, and I thought Christian conservatives had long ago secured a place as a legitimate part of the Republican Party, right along with the (distinct but overlapping) economic conservatives and military/national defense conservatives.

What I see from a significant minority of people here scares me. We don't need to go back to the bad old days of Christian bashing in the Republican Party. The Democrats will do that quite aggressively on their own without help from Republicans.

210 posted on 03/08/2012 12:42:03 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Red Steel

Guess you missed it, but I posted the most recent poll for Alabama. Romney is 9 points ahead, and Rick is one point ahead of Newt. If Rick got Newt’s 22 points, plus Newt’s 21, what does that add up to? Of course, Rick won’t necessarily get all of Newt’s votes, but all he needs are the majority of Newt’s votes (assuming the polls don’t change).


211 posted on 03/08/2012 12:47:32 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: darrellmaurina
If Romney is the GOP nominee, the bad old days are here again.

It's long past time to form a Christian party.
212 posted on 03/08/2012 12:48:14 PM PST by Antoninus (In states where Newt is ahead, vote Newt. In states where Rick is ahead, vote Rick. Defeat Romney.)
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To: darrellmaurina

He is wrong. I sincerely do not think Rick Santorum can win. I hope I am wrong. I HATE Mitt Romney. Sorry it is true, I will have to repent of it later I am sure. I will not vote for Mitt Romeny, I might vote for Rick. I hope some of you begin to wake up and see that many of us just believe he is a loser in Nomember, not just for him but for our cause. Period. Mitt has a lot of money but he does not waste it trying to presuade the 110 people on here that support Rick Santorum that Mitt is better. I don’t like Mitt but he is smarter than that. At least I would hope. LOL


213 posted on 03/08/2012 12:52:11 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57; All

Thankfully, most pro-lifers don’t agree with you. They see what Rick as accomplished in Congress, as well as that he walked the walk in his personal life.

I listen to so many people calling radio shows, and they have so much passion for Rick. I don’t hear that for Romney or Newt. I think Romney is winning because conservatives MISTAKINGLY think he’s the one who can beat Obama. We must change that perception somehow, whether we are for Newt or Rick.

Hope it’s not already too late. Romney’s win in Ohio probably already gave him more momentum.


214 posted on 03/08/2012 12:54:28 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

Newt won SC because he received a standing ovation on two previous debates, but hasn’t had a debate like that since.

And Georgia has a lot of delegates, and happens to be Newt’s home state.

Newt’s ran out of home states, and probably debates, too.

Why don’t people see that?


215 posted on 03/08/2012 12:56:32 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Well, if you think MOST pro-lifers agree then you don’t run in the circles I run in, and you are not paying attention to this board. I would say most of the ones here are not Romney shrills, but people who really disagree with you. I am one of them. Rick can not even get the catholic vote. I will vote for him, but I really have grave concerns.


216 posted on 03/08/2012 1:01:25 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Sun

oh, I see it. I know Newt is a really long shot. He is still a much better candidate in the general than Rick Santorum. Our best hope if Newt can’t win, is a brokered convention. Even then I don’t see a person emerging that is better than Newt. If Rick Santorum is the nominee I will fight like hell for him. It will not be the first, nor the last time, I go down fighting.


217 posted on 03/08/2012 1:03:50 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: DoughtyOne

none of that rubs me the wrong way, the only thing which does is when there’s a poster who likes to call names over the safety of their keyboard


218 posted on 03/08/2012 1:05:45 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: dt57

The Catholics-In-Name-Only also voted for the Clintons. Both Clintons would not have won w/o the CINO vote.

My family and I are PRACTICING Catholics, who will vote for Rick!


219 posted on 03/08/2012 1:06:09 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

“Some of those high profile votes include his support for No Child Left Behind in 2001, which greatly expanded the federal government’s role in education. He supported the massive new Medicare drug entitlement in 2003 that now costs taxpayers over $60 billion a year and has almost $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities. He voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere.”

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/?subsec=137&id=902

More here:

http://www.rightspeak.net/2012/02/rick-santorum-and-his-love-affair-with.html

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Pennsylvania/Rick_Santorum/Views/Debt,_Deficit,_Spending,_and_the_Sizebig government

http://thedmonline.com/article/rick-santorum-representing-worst-republicans-1990


220 posted on 03/08/2012 1:09:18 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dt57; All

Any pro-lifer who doesn’t support Rick doesn’t do enough homework:

“On abortion, he is one of many senators who vote pro-life. The difference is that he is personally responsible for making sure a lot of these votes occur in the first place: He was an architect of the effort to ban partial-birth abortion, a strategy that energized the pro-life movement and allowed it to go on the political offensive.”

http://www.heymiller.com/2010/08/the-fate-of-rick/


221 posted on 03/08/2012 1:09:49 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: darrellmaurina; DesertRhino; Mariner
Palin has rhetorically very close to the Western small (l) libertarian Goldwater School of politics.

Very independent, very small government, anti-establishment, anti-Wall Street (she coined Crony Capitalism), highly Nationalist/Pro Defense and military.

Goldwater, Reagan and Palin are very close philosophically.

Yes Plain is clearly an evangelical Christian and walks the talk.

Politically she leads with other themes...

222 posted on 03/08/2012 1:09:54 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: darrellmaurina
I can respect a sincere Gingrich supporter who has bought into Gingrich's political philosophy, including his advocacy of the need for an informed electorate and a classic Judeo-Christian view of civilization. I respect his legitimate accomplishments in the House of Representatives, doing what most people considered to be impossible by becoming Speaker. If it weren't for the issues in his personal life,

Issues are long past about his married life. Not all it his fault. There's another half who share the blame. Do you think that Newt is going to run after other skirts in the White House at his age of 68? Not very likely. You think Santorum is beyond sin? Christians are suppose to believe in forgiveness and Newt has been contrite about his past life, but Santobots have a problem in giving forgiveness.

Santorum sins like the rest of us and Santos casting stones from glass houses gives everyone else the impression of hypocrisy.

This reminds me of the old stories in the early days of Christianity after the fall of the Roman Empire where hermits would try to outdo others at being "more Christian" than the next by living an anchorite life or by living in caves and who spurned others who they thought were not Christian enough.

223 posted on 03/08/2012 1:11:44 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Sun

ok, so now I don’t do my homework, or worse I am just stupid. I am done here. Support Rick, I hope he wins, and I am wrong. But I doubt it, ok?


224 posted on 03/08/2012 1:13:00 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

No politician is perfect, and while I like Newt, too, he was for mandates.

And while some are using Mitt Romney supporters’ talking points, consider this:

(ROMNEY) “I respect the fact that he put in place No Child Left Behind. I know a lot of people in my party don’t like it, but I do like it. snip”

excerpt http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325227,00.html


225 posted on 03/08/2012 1:13:55 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Well, I am glad you have the ability to see into the hearts and minds of others so clearly. You do make a good Rick Santorum supporter. Good luck to you with that.


226 posted on 03/08/2012 1:14:31 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Sun

Well, I am glad you have the ability to see into the hearts and minds of others so clearly. You do make a good Rick Santorum supporter. Good luck to you with that.


227 posted on 03/08/2012 1:16:16 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Sun

Yeah I’m definitely not a Romney supporter. He is big government through and through.


228 posted on 03/08/2012 1:16:30 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dt57

No, you are very smart, but you need to research more. Maybe you work hard, so don’t have the time, but why do you ignore research from other folks?

Judging by your post, you are also a bit overly sensitive/emotional, and we shouldn’t vote based on feelings/emotions.

Are you a woman?

I am a woman, btw.


229 posted on 03/08/2012 1:19:37 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Newt and almost every conservative in the country was for mandates while they were fighting Hillarycare. Keep up, it was originally a conservative concept. IT was very wrong, and Newt freely admits it. So do I. I am not using Mitt Romney talking points, I am using MY talking points. Go for Rick, the best of luck.


230 posted on 03/08/2012 1:21:18 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: pgkdan

Without Alabama and Mississippi, Newt is sunk.

231 posted on 03/08/2012 1:21:20 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: All

Santorum Slams Obama & Romney at CPAC, Receives Standing Ovation & Roaring Applause
February 10, 2012
snip

While Santorum didn’t mention Romney by name, he did target him for his purportedly moderate stances. Additionally, he slammed the former Massachusetts governor’s comments about the poor and dismissed Romney as the candidate with “the most money to beat up their opponent and win the election.” Additionally, he denigrated the health care plan Romney implemented in his state as ”the stepchild of ObamaCare.”

Santorum also had a message for many in the media and in conservative circles who have contended that the race is over and that Romney will be the eventual nominee: Don’t fall for the argument that the party ”need[s] to compromise“ and ”do what’s politically reasonable and go out and push someone forward who can win.”

“We will no longer abandon and apologize for the policies and principles that made this country great for a hollow victory in November,” the candidate proclaimed.
snip

Santorum also took Obama to task over the contraceptive mandate (which the president has now amended), telling the audience that it has little to do with women’s health. As a result of his words, he received furious applause and a standing ovation.

“This is the kind of coercion we can expect. It’s not about contraception. It’s about economic liberty, it’s about freedom of speech, it’s about freedom of religion,” he said. “It‘s about government control of your lives and it’s gotta stop.”

“Government will own you because you will have to pay tribute to Washington in order to get the care you need for your children,” Santorum said. “The major reason I’m in this race is because I believe Obamacare is a game-changer for America.”

excerpt http://www.theblaze.com/stories/santorum-slams-obama-romney-at-cpac-gets-standing-ovation-roaring-applause/


232 posted on 03/08/2012 1:22:09 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
Guess you missed it, but I posted the most recent poll for Alabama. Romney is 9 points ahead, and Rick is one point ahead of Newt. If Rick got Newt’s 22 points, plus Newt’s 21, what does that add up to? Of course, Rick won’t necessarily get all of Newt’s votes, but all he needs are the majority of Newt’s votes (assuming the polls don’t change).


I didn't miss a thing.

Like I said before, Newt is virtually tied in that poll with Santo 21.6 and Newt 21.2 regardless of Mitten's numbers. I even posted an article thread of it on FR.

And Santorum is losing in another poll to Newt by over 3 point here "24.7% of voters pick Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum gets 20.1%.

I can make the same argument, it is silly at this point, that your guy Ricky can get out of the race so Newt can win the presidency over Mittens and Obama.

233 posted on 03/08/2012 1:22:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: pgkdan
Polls aren't Breaking News. They're for hookers and cross country skiers.
234 posted on 03/08/2012 1:24:19 PM PST by McGruff (Sarah Palin: I voted for Newt.)
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To: Sun

I have researched and listened for a very long time. I am just who I am. I don’t let people know whether I am male or female, because many use that to color what I say. I am passionate about this though. I know that Rick Santorum is the “MOST” pro-lifer out there. And if that was the only issue I had, I would vote for him for that reason alone. Newt is also pro-life, and I truly believe he makes a much better general election candidate. I don’t need more research, we just disagree. And I am ok with that.


235 posted on 03/08/2012 1:24:39 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57
Well, I am glad you have the ability to see into the hearts and minds of others so clearly. You do make a good Rick Santorum supporter. Good luck to you with that.

I'd say a "good" thread spammer.

Good luck to you with that.

Completely SOL.

236 posted on 03/08/2012 1:26:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: McGruff
Polls aren't Breaking News. They're for hookers and cross country skiers.

And there are a lot of them in Warsaw.

237 posted on 03/08/2012 1:27:00 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dt57

Have to agree with you dt57. Rick will be destroyed by Obama if he wins the nomination, and Newt is actively disliked by vast swathes of the broader electorate.

And Mitt Romney never saw an issue he didn’t hold diametrically opposed simultaneous positions on.

Romney’s the only one of the current nominees who can defeat Obama, and he’s a liberal masquerading as a conservative.

Anyone have a view on the realistic prospect of Sarah being our nominee out of a brokered convention ? That’s our best bet right now.


238 posted on 03/08/2012 1:27:33 PM PST by fuzzy dunlop
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To: Antoninus
212 posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:48:14 PM by Antoninus: “If Romney is the GOP nominee, the bad old days are here again. It's long past time to form a Christian party.”

I'm afraid you're right about Romney and the bad old days.

As for a Christian party, do some googling about Abraham Kuyper and the Anti-Revolutionary Party. (Short version: Kuyper was the founder of a major conservative secession denomination in the Netherlands in the late 1800s, founder of a Christian university, founder of both Christian and general-interest newspapers, and a key promoter of a pre-existing Christian political party; he eventually became prime minister of the Netherlands.)

My theological background is Dutch Reformed — think Northwest Iowa and West Michigan, and connect the dots. That community was key to launching the candidacies of both Huckabee and Santorum in Iowa, and was an important part of Santorum’s support in Michigan. The Dutch Reformed were actively and aggressively talking about a Christian role in politics in the days when far too many evangelicals were saying politics was dirty stuff unworthy of Christian attention.

So is a Christian political party a good idea? If we had a parliamentary democracy, or proportional representation, or even more states with multimember legislative districts, I'd agree with you.

As long as we have winner-take-all single-member districts in most of the United States, and as long as the total number of conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants is less than 50 percent in many parts of the United States, we have no choice but to work with economic conservatives and military conservatives if we want to win elections. The result is the three distinct but overlapping constituencies of social, economic and military conservatives are stuck together as a bickering family arguing among ourselves — if we split, we lose to the liberals.

I know this will sound like some of Newt Gingrich's wilder moonbase dreams, but long-term I would not be at all opposed to having more states with multimember legislative districts because it would make it possible for more people to be elected with strong ideological commitments on both sides of the political spectrum. A few places in the United States already have multimember districts, they're common in Europe, and they're much like the Republican primary system in most states. Basically, in a multi-member district, the top two, three, or four candidates out of all those running get elected. While that could be implemented fairly easily at the state level, it''s not possible at the federal level without a constitutional amendment, of course. Talk like that is so far outside the American political mainstream that it's not really very helpful, and I'm focused on trying to win elections in the current political situation rather than trying to make radical changes in that system.

239 posted on 03/08/2012 1:29:40 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: dt57; All

I like Newt, too, but Santorum is better, and can beat Romney, if Newt drops out.

Rick is way ahead of Newt in National polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html


240 posted on 03/08/2012 1:30:11 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Red Steel

of course, we could not just disagree. I have to be ‘something’ not legit in order to be on this thread, if I disagree with you. Give me a break. thread spammer, ok sure.


241 posted on 03/08/2012 1:32:07 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: fuzzy dunlop

Thanks, I would prefer Mitch Daniels or Newt winning in a brokered convention. I like Sarah, but I worry what the national media would do to her. (again)


242 posted on 03/08/2012 1:33:40 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Red Steel; All; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; Clintonfatigued; American Constitutionalist

Cherry pick much?

Rick is WAY ahead of Newt in National polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html


243 posted on 03/08/2012 1:34:03 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

National polls move up and down at the whelm of people who are not paying attention to the race. They have been all over the place. They really are worthless right now. Our problem is we just disagree. I really think you are wrong about Rick being a better candidate. I am afraid we need to just agree to disagree and be done with this.


244 posted on 03/08/2012 1:36:41 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57; All

“I would prefer Mitch Daniels “

May I suggest your rethink Mitch Daniels?

“When Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) called on conservatives to declare a “truce” on social issues and “agree to disagree,” he clearly “shot himself in the foot” and ended his presidential prospects.”

excerpt http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/social_issues_are_not_going_away_in_2012.html


245 posted on 03/08/2012 1:38:09 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
Cherry pick much?

No, I didn't cherry pick. Now, you're conflating the subject. The subject is the Alabama state primary election polls and not any national polls.

Sorry that you didn't like seeing Newt virtually tied in one Alabama poll with Santo, and then leading Rick by over three point in another Alabama poll.

246 posted on 03/08/2012 1:40:15 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Sun

ok, then it is Newt all the way. LOL. I did say I would vote for Ricky if he gets to the general. And I will not have to hold my nose like last time. I will however be very concerned and wonder how we let another one slip away. I felt like this when the country elected Bill Clinton the second time as well. Been around a long time. I usually am pretty good at picking a winner. Obama beats Rick by 10 and hurts the down ticket considerably in my opinion. Newt would kick his butt back to Chicago. Just my humble opinion. And I have been wrong before, just not very often. :)


247 posted on 03/08/2012 1:43:34 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57
of course, we could not just disagree. I have to be ‘something’ not legit in order to be on this thread, if I disagree with you. Give me a break. thread spammer, ok sure.

I wasn't clear. You're fine. I was speaking about Sun's comments.

248 posted on 03/08/2012 1:48:05 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Mariner; Red Steel
@ Mariner: Thank you for the explanation about Palin and small-L libertarianism, Goldwater style. That makes a great deal of sense.

@ Red Steel: I'm not unaware of Gingrich's repentance. I've repeatedly said I like what I read from Rev. Jim Garlow, pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in San Diego, about Gingrich's personal faith and repentance. I could cite others as well commenting on Gingrich's personal faith, but I'm citing this one because Jim Robinson later picked up the Garlow thread and reposted it himself. Read this item which I wrote after South Carolina about evangelicals needing to make our peace with Gingrich since it looked at the time like he's the only one able to beat Romney: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2837165/replies?c=33

I can live with Gingrich. My primary concern is not what I'm hearing from Gingrich but what I'm hearing from some of his supporters — definitely not all, but some.

249 posted on 03/08/2012 1:49:06 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Red Steel

So it only depends on Alabama? LOL

Cherry pick much?


250 posted on 03/08/2012 1:49:52 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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