Posted on 03/08/2012 10:20:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
This explains your obtuseness.
Santorum claims that he quit being pro-abortion in preparation to enter politics, that quote of yours “sat down and read the literature. Scientific literature.” is supposed to be describing the 1990 election change.
Now explain why five years later he FORMALLY endorsed and supported a Presidential candidate, running on the platform to make the Republican party, pro-abortion?
I’m not trashing Rick, I’m merely exposing him. Trashing is his ‘mo’.
RE: I’m not trashing Rick, I’m merely exposing him. Trashing is his ‘mo’.
You can expose him all you want. Those exposure, when compared to Newt, compare quite favorably.
RE: This explains your obtuseness.
That remains to be seen. Thus far, th adjective above seems to describe YOUR arguments, not mine.
RE: Santorum claims that he quit being pro-abortion in preparation to enter politics, that quote of yours “sat down and read the literature. Scientific literature.” is supposed to be describing the 1990 election change.
Notice once again how you keep dwelling on the past. How you REFUSE to look at his record AFTER he said he changed his mind.
If after he said he changed his mind, he either did nothing or continued to support pro-abortion laws, you might have a case. BUT NO, you stubbornly IGNORE all he did after 1995 preferring to dwell in the distant past.
RE: Now explain why five years later he FORMALLY endorsed and supported a Presidential candidate, running on the platform to make the Republican party, pro-abortion?
He is NOW running against Romney because he REALIZES that Romney, who at that time claims he has had a change of heart, was not as genuine as he thought.
BTW, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ROMNEY HASN’T HAD A GENUINE CHANGE OF HEART IN 2008? He might or he might not. What has he said since 2008 that is pro-abortion?
The fact is YOU AND I DON’T KNOW THAT. All we have are our individual perceptions, doubts and skepticisms. It is DIFFICULT to read into a person’s heart.
Reagan himself was betrayed by people he thought were conservative.
Newt Gingrich ENDORSED Dede Scozzafava in the NY-23 2009 Congressional elections, a RINO and party traitor over a Tea Party candidate. What was Dede? Hey, simply someone who received an award from Planned Parenthood.
Herman Cain, a pro-lifer himself, endorsed Romney in 2008 too.
People make mistakes in perception. THAT DOES NOTHING FOR YOUR ARGUMENT THAT RICK SANTORUM is pro-abortion. NOTHING.
Nothing he has done and nothing you have shown overcomes the POSITIVE things he did for life.
His Senate ratings from NARAL is a BIG FAT, ZERO. That alone tells you HIS RECORD.
Once again, as a reminder:
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
So keep them coming, maybe you might make a significant hit. Thus far, you haven’t even made a dent that a good mitigating explanation can’t be given.
Do you know when Santorum claims to have abandoned his pro-abortion positions? Would you tell me the year, or approximate year?
You obviously think that Santorum claims to have become pro-life after the 1996 endorsement and campaign, correct?
RE: Do you know when Santorum claims to have abandoned his pro-abortion positions? Would you tell me the year, or approximate year?
Again, why does it matter what he did in the PAST ( emphasis )?
I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT HE DID AS LEGISLATOR THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, SHOWED HIM TO BE PRO-CHOICE. YOU KEEP HARPING ON THE PAST AND IGNORE ALL THE GOOD THINGS HE DID FOR THE PRO-LIFE CAUSE AS LEGISLATOR. WHY IS THAT?
RE: You obviously think that Santorum claims to have become pro-life after the 1996 endorsement and campaign, correct?
Again, what he claims or said on or before or after 1996 is IMMATERIAL to me. Talk is cheap. I want DEEDS.
You can tell me you don’t care about a poor person but when I see you really giving money to the poor person, I will know where your heart lies.
Similarly, you can tell me that you care for a poor person but if you do nothing to help that person, I will also know that you are only good at TALKING.
ACTIONS. That’s what I want to see. By Santorum’s LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS, by his fighting against pro-choice legislators like Barbara Boxer. I KNOW THAT HE DEFENDS INNOCENT LIFE.
All of your digging in the past does nothing to change that.
OK, here is my case, his record AFTER he claims to have become pro-life to run for office, he was supporting an agenda and a candidate to turn the Republican party into an abortion party, five years later, and he never stopped supporting pro-abortion Specter, and after Specter was gone, Santorum jumped on another radical pro-abortion bandwagon, Romney's.
You just aren't keeping the dates straight.
1) I already mentioned Arlen Specter in a previous post. He supported Arlen Specter :
A) Because he felt a sense of gratitude towards what he did in supporting his own run for Congress and Senate.
B) Specter’s record on abortion is MIXED. NARAL gives Specter a 21% rating on a scale of 100. Which shows that he tilts pro-life on many issues ( despite his rhetoric ). Specter SUPPORTED Santorum’s Partial birth abortion ban. LIke Santorum, he also Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives.
C) Specter FOUGHT for pro-life judges and justices to be confirmed. Thomas, Roberts, Alito ( All Catholics, all pro-life, all hated by pro-choice crowd ).
So, go on, keep harping about Specter, I’ll continue harping about pro-choice Lowell Weicker for the Sainted Ronald Reagan, who I believe you’ll vote for.
RE: Mitt Romney
Yeah right. Romney as far back as 2008 DECLARED HIMSELF TO BE PRO-LIFE and having had a change of heart.
He still is pro-life ( at least he says he is ).
I know you don’t believe Romney. But the fact is this — WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’s IN HIS HEART NOW. You can’t know until he acts on it. So, supporting Romney in 2008 ( a self-declared pro-life does nothing for your argument ).
Santorum might be mistaken, but then, HE MIGHT BE RIGHT. Who knows...
The fact that you don’t believe Romney one bit simply tells us what YOU PERSONALLY believe about him. That’s all.
The jury is still out on this one and you cannot use that as evidence that Santorum is fighting for the pro-choice cause.
Santorum—with perhaps with a few mistaken exceptions (hidden bills tacked on to earmarks) —has been consistently pro-life throughout his political career as far as I can tell. Let’s look at the WHOLE candidate, not just one isolated incident.
I am certain that if anyone bothered to take the time to look at the REST of Rick Santorum’s record regarding life issues, you would find a man who is indeed consistent in his belief system ( you of course choose to ignore them and not even give ANY acknowledgement at all ).
Everything else in Santorum’s record is absolutely consistently pro-life, over the course of his sixteen year record in the Senate.
In addition to that, he not only professes his beliefs in the public square, but he LIVES them. Most disabled babies are aborted today. He knew his youngest was going to enter the world with challenges, yet refused to follow the common dictate to abort and is now blessed with precious little Bella. How many of your pro-life candidates running can say THAT? I really wish that people would stop all the attempts at destroying this good candidate we have in the race.
Really? You say that you want to go after Reagan to spite me?
Santorum gets a warm feeling for Specter, and so Santorum jumps on board to destroy the pro-life movement?
You think we don’t know Romney, that Santorum didn’t know him?
NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS
vanity | May 26, 2011 | Jim Robinson
Posted on Thu May 26 2011 20:31:29 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Jim Robinson
NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS FOR PRESIDENT!!
This message is intended for those posters on FR who seem to have missed my prior statements in this regard and insist on advocating for these bastards.
I’d rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!
Do NOT push this crap on FR. Take your business elsewhere!! And I don’t care how long you’ve been here!!
RE: Santorum jumped on another radical pro-abortion bandwagon, Romney’s. You just aren’t keeping the dates straight.
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Here’s what Romney did in and around 2008.
Don’t come back to me and tell me you don’t believe him. I already know that.
The point is Santorum supported him because HE BELIEVED HIM.
He might be wrong about this but he supported Romney NOT BECAUSE HE WAS PRO-CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE HE PUBLICLY SPOKE OUT FOR LIFE.
Will he act on it? THE JURY IS OUT.
See here for Romney after 2005:
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Issues.php
Pro-Life
Romney initially believes in the right of a woman to decide, before changing his position and he now opposes abortions.
“I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother.”
July 26, 2005, Boston Globe, Why I vetoed contraception bill
Adoption
In favour.
Roe v. Wade
Favors a repeal
“I’d like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and allow the states and the elected representatives of the people, and the people themselves, have the ability to put in place pro-life legislation.”
5 June 2007, Republican Presidential Debate (Manchester, New Hampshire)
Parental Consent
Agrees.
“Furthermore, this legislation would make the morning-after pill available to young girls without any restrictions on age... this bill undermines the state’s parental consent laws and represents a departure from the public consensus that minor children should not act without parental involvement in these matters.”
Romney explaining his decision to veto the Contraceptive Bill
July 26, 2005, Boston Globe
Romney has been on record supporting moves aimed at de-funding Planned Parenthood.
“Mitt Romney supports the Pence amendment,” Eric Fehrnstrom (Romey’s spokesman), 3 April 2011. The Pence Amendment is sponsored by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) aimed at eliminating all Title X grants for Planned Parenthood.
Embryonic stem cell research
Not in favor.
“Altered nuclear transfer creates embryo-like cells that can be used for stem cell research ... I have a deep concern about curing disease. I have a wife that has a serious disease that could be affected by stem cell research and others. But I will not create new embryos through cloning or through embryo farming, because that will be creating life for the purpose of destroying it.”
3 May 2007, GOP primary debate, Simi Valley California
IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE ABOVE ASSURANCES THAT SANTORUM SUPPORTED ROMNEY IN 2008.
Now tell me what Santorum would have done had Romney done the opposite... would you know?
RE: Do NOT push this crap on FR. Take your business elsewhere!! And I don’t care how long you’ve been here!!
And don’t push the crap that Santorum fights for the pro-choice cause. THAT IS A LIE. THE RECORD SHOWS IT.
Santorum supported Specter because of the reasons I outlined, HE VOTES OPPOSITE SPECTER when he votes pro-abortion.
As for FR not supporting Romney, HEY I DON’T EITHER. I support Santorum, the man running AGAINST Romnney TODAY and trying to stop him from winning.
Stop dwelling on the past. Stick to today.
You can’t see what you don’t want to see.
You do your thing and I’ll do mine and America is at stake, not a candidate. That’s why only NEWT gets my vote.
RE: I’d rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!
THIS IS A SANTORUM THREAD, NOT A ROMNEY THREAD. I SUPPORT SANTORUM, NOT ROMNEY OR (WHY THE HECK DID YOU MENTION HIM) GIULIANI.
Like Mark Levin, I will vote Santorum, and if not Santorum, Newt, BUT NEVER Romney in the primaries.
But if in the end, all is lost and Romney is the candidate, I will hold my nose and VOTER AGAINST OBAMA ( and you know what that would mean ).
RE: You can’t see what you don’t want to see.
I can see what I see and I decide who I want and I am comfortable with my decision. And yes, I agree with you. Let’s vote according our conscience. That’s why SANTORUM gets my vote.
You seem willing to simply ignore Santorum’s record, you breeze right past the bombshell of Santorum endorsing a candidate for president running on the platform of making the GOP pro-abortion and destroying the pro-life movement, as though it was just the friendly thing to do.
Santorum tells us that he and pro-abortion Christie Whitman were 95% in agreement when he was pushing her, you have an excuse for why Santorum would not quit pushing Specter forward, until finally the voters got rid of him, that devotin to Specter probably cost Santorum his Senate seat.
Your excuses for Romney and Santorum hooking up to shut out the pro-life Christian candidates is inadequate as well.
Here at FR we sure knew the truth about Romney, and what revelation do you think that Santorum had in regards to Romney since then?
Why after Santorum claims to have had his ‘Romney” revelation on abortion (to run for office), was he trying to make the GOP a pro-abortion party?
Where is Romney’s platform of making the GOP a pro-choice party? GIVE ME THE EXACT QUOTE. Santorum supported Romney 4 years ago ON HIS ASSURANCE THAT HE IS PRO-LIFE. That’s all. That does not make Santorum pro-choice.
TODAY, Santorum is RUNNING AGAINST Romney today. NOT ALLOWING HIM TO WIN.
If Santorum were trying to make the GOP a pro-choice party as you say he is, WHY IS HE RUNNING AGAINST ROMNEY? Why is he trying his darned best to prevent him from winning?
Nope, nothing you say convinces me that Santorum wants to make the GOP a pro-choice party.
RE: Here at FR we sure knew the truth about Romney,
Sure. That’s why YOU AND I DON’T SUPPORT HIM.
RE: and what revelation do you think that Santorum had in regards to Romney since then?
I can’t answer that. All I know is Santorum is running AGAINST Romney. Maybe now he does not believe Romney is truly pro-life. But I can’t say that for sure because I don’t have all the details.
Suffice it to say that IF SANTORUM WERE PRESIDENT, HE WILL BE THE MOST PRO-LIFE and ANTI-GAY AGENDA President I know.
LOL, do you even read my posts, I don’t need to show you a quote that I never claimed.
Specter, with Santorums’ endorsement were on that stage together as Specter was announcing his platform for President.
It was to make the GOP pro-abortion, Santorum endorsed that, and clapped.
I asked you what changed Santorum’s mind about Romney, we know that Santorum never changed his mind about Specter, Santorum was loyal until he was kicked out of office and had to cling to Romney.
You seem willing to simply ignore Santorum’s record, you breeze right past the bombshell of Santorum endorsing a candidate for president running on the platform of making the GOP pro-abortion and destroying the pro-life movement, as though it was just the friendly thing to do.
Santorum tells us that he and pro-abortion Christie Whitman were 95% in agreement when he was pushing her, you have an excuse for why Santorum would not quit pushing Specter forward, until finally the voters got rid of him, that devotion to Specter probably cost Santorum his Senate seat.
Your excuses for Romney and Santorum hooking up to shut out the pro-life Christian candidates is inadequate as well.
Why after Santorum claims to have had his ‘Romney” revelation on abortion (to run for office), was he trying to make the GOP a pro-abortion party?
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