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To: madprof98

Nuts.
Do I believe you or my own lying eyes ?

There are certainly insane people living here and some of them have political power. But the vast majority here are perfectly sane and decent.


90 posted on 03/09/2012 3:23:28 PM PST by buwaya
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90 posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 5:23:28 PM by buwaya: “There are certainly insane people living here and some of them have political power. But the vast majority here are perfectly sane and decent.”

Which, brother Freeper, provides you an opportunity.

People who live in places like San Francisco have special responsibilities to speak out. Sometimes they can be effective far beyond anyone’s wildest imaginations.

Let me give you two examples which on their face are very different, but actually have much in common — in one case, one church and in the other case one man, each standing up against liberalism and winning by speaking truth to overwhelming power.

First Orthodox Presbyterian Church of San Francisco managed to win a landmark court case when it was sued for firing its practicing homosexual organist. Standing up to evil worked. By not compromising on the reasons for firing the organist, the church risked losing virtually every right Christians have to control their own hiring practices for religious grounds, and for that reason, many people urged the church's leaders to find some other excuse to fire him. However, sticking to their guns won the victory that Christian institutions now rely on throughout the entire United States to exempt themselves from anti-religious rules, and that case was won right in the heartbed of the American gay agenda.

The second case involved not the OPC but rather the PCUS, the old Southern Presbyterian Church.

Many decades ago before the PCA was formed, back when the old Southern Presbyterian Church was still mostly conservative, the Atlanta Presbytery was the center of the denominational bureaucracy and was run by leftists trying to force a merger with the (Northern) Presbyterian Church in the USA and the United Presbyterian Church in North America.

Various conservative presbyteries were voting against the merger, but one man had a brilliant idea. He went from town to town through the Atlanta Presbytery visiting small churches that rarely sent elders to presbytery, explained what merger would mean, and got lots of previously unaware elders riled up enough to come to the Atlanta Presbytery meeting when the merger was scheduled for a vote.

Those elders stayed quiet all morning and most of the afternoon until the vote. Then, to the shock of virtually the entire denomination, the most powerful liberal presbytery in the entire PCUS went on record **AGAINST** the merger. As the shock waves ran across the denomination, people realized that the vast majority of the people in the pews were against the merger no matter what the leaders were claiming, and presbytery after presbytery went on record against the merger. While the PCUSA and UPCNA did merge to form the UPCUSA, that success in the Atlanta Presbytery, caused by one man who successfully warned the silent majority to speak up, kept the PCUS out of the merger with Northern Presbyterians for another generation until the merger was finally forced in the 1980s.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. You're telling me there are lots of good men and women in San Francisco who don't vote, and you're probably right.

Sounds like you have some work to do with your nice neighbors.... ;-)

91 posted on 03/09/2012 9:36:02 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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