Concealed-carry changes would keep streets safer

Milwaukee J-S ^ | 15 mar 2012

[rellimpank]

Milwaukee police want to take away the right to legally carry a concealed weapon from anyone who has three misdemeanor convictions over a five-year period. This strikes us as a reasonable idea that state lawmakers should embrace. Frequent brushes with the law, even when relatively minor, indicate a pattern of recklessness that doesn't earn one the right to pack a firearm.

The right to carry is now codified in state law. But there is nothing wrong with improving the legislation that passed last year. Carrying a concealed firearm is a great responsibility, and state legislators and gun rights activists should back changes suggested by Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn and other law enforcement officials to keep repeat criminals from obtaining a concealed-carry permit.

Tougher laws are needed to address the shortcomings in the current law and to keep guns out of the hands of habitual criminals.

Flynn also is pushing for lawmakers to make it a felony for straw purchases, and he's upping the ante for those who repeatedly carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

[rellimpank]

--the usual garbage from the J-S---

[rellimpank]

—ping—

[sigzero]

Earn the right to carry a firearm? I wasn’t aware I had to earn it. I thought the 2nd Amendment GAVE me the right. Silly me.

[Obadiah]

...that doesn't earn one the right to pack a firearm.

WHAT??

Ever heard of inalienable rights from God? To the fanatical liberals rights are "earned" from the government.

We are in deep, deep trouble in this country.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Wisconsin Concealed Carry Ping (Flynn wants changes to the law)

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[GourmetDan]

No no. The 2nd Amendment didn’t give you that right. Every man has the God-given right to arms to defend himself. The 2nd Amendment merely enumerated that right. Big difference.

If the 2nd Amendment is eliminated, has your right to arm and defend yourself disappeared as well? No, it has not because the right to self-defense comes from God and not from men.

[backwoods-engineer]

They wouldn't let me log in to comment.

These people are stupid, ain't they?

Criminals would just carry a pistol, they aren't going to apply for concealed carry! People applying for concealed carry aren't, by and large, criminals.

And a misdemeanor does not negate a Constitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms openly; why should it negate carrying them concealed?!

[MediaMole]

The real problem is the feckless, partisan district attorney who repeatedly plea bargains violent felonies to misdemeanors while spending most of his resources prosecuting Republicans for posting comments on newspaper websites on government time.

[Still Thinking]

Earn the right to carry a firearm? I wasn’t aware I had to earn it. I thought the 2nd Amendment GAVE me the right. Silly me.

Braaaap! 2A acknowledges and codifies a right you would have even if there were no USA, Constitution, or Founding Fathers, given to all humans by God. See how thorough the founders were? They even listed pre-existing rights for respect!

My reply is not intended as pedantically as it may sound. I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you, through it probably reads like I am, but just pointing out a simple but important truth those on the pro-eights side need never to forget, or it's kind of like buying into the tyrant-suckers' world-view.

[Dead Corpse]

The 2nd Amendment didn’t give you that right. Every man has the God-given right to arms to defend himself. The 2nd Amendment merely enumerated that right. Big difference.

Epistemology aside, the above is correct. Your RKBA exists independent of the government. Period. They can try and take it from you, but then this would trigger the very reason the Founders included an enumerated protection for such a Right to begin with.

Tyranny MUST be fought every where it crops up. If not, you lose by increments. A National death of a million cuts. No one of which seems worth dying for to defend against, but will kill you just the same....

[TLI]

Milwaukee police want to take away the right to legally carry a concealed weapon from anyone who has three misdemeanor convictions over a five-year period. This strikes us as a reasonable idea that state lawmakers should embrace. Frequent brushes with the law, even when relatively minor, indicate a pattern of recklessness that doesn't earn one the right to pack a firearm.

Really?

OK, let's try that again and this time we will put the left shoe on the LEFT foot...

" Milwaukee voters want to take away the right to be employed by the Police Department from anyone who has three abuse complaints files by three separate citizens over a five-year period. This strikes us as a reasonable idea that state lawmakers should embrace. Frequent brushes with abuse under the color of law, even when relatively minor, indicate a pattern of recklessness that doesn't earn one the right to be a police officer.

Tougher laws are needed to address the shortcomings in the current law and to keep color of law authority out of the hands of habitual abusive cops. "

How about this one?

" Milwaukee voters want to take away the right to introduce legislation from anyone who has three bills that were overturned via lawsuits over a five-year period. This strikes us as a reasonable idea that state representatives should embrace. Frequent brushes with infringing the rights of citizens , even when relatively minor, indicate a pattern of recklessness that doesn't earn one the right to create new laws."

Tougher laws are needed to address the shortcomings in the current law and to keep legislative authority out of the hands of habitual rights abusers.

Putting that left shoe on their left foot would have them screeching like trapped banshees.

I can hear the "logic" of the objections that would be used to take down the One Way signs at the Courthouse doors.

After all, wouldn't you agree that it is established science that has been twittered to the effect that experts agree, blah, blah, blah...

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[moehoward]

Well done!

[coloradan]

Considering that the average person commits three felonies a day (because there are so many laws on the books) this law would enable the police to deny the permit to nearly anyone they chose.

[rellimpank]

—that would be what the Milwaukee C of P would desire-—

[sigzero]

I understand. I probably didn’t frame the answer quite as cleanly as I should have.