[philman_36]

...I think local self-sufficiency is, on balance, a social strength.
Look at the dichotomy of your own words! Self-sufficiency vs social strength.

...there are some parts of Agenda 21 that I think are good.
Then you're a fool, for if you accept a part you accept the whole.

[Cboldt]

-- Look at the dichotomy of your own words! Self-sufficiency vs social strength. --

What I meant to convey was something in the nature of "local self sufficiency" meaning groups smaller than countries, and probably smaller than states; but at the same time, not literal self-sufficiency. Said another way, there is substantial risk when life depends on centralized services, with the notion of "centralized" being an interstate arrangement. I think that there is strength to be had when communities can support themselves - versus a situation where communities are unable to support themselves.

-- Then you're a fool, for if you accept a part you accept the whole. --

Like, if a communist said it was good for people to be armed, then I would accept communism? That if one finds somebody has a good idea, then that person is in 100% agreement with the other's goals and means? Is that your contention?

Nice chatting. Thanks for the Agenda 21 information. I've got to get back to the salt mine.