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Divided GOP may have to throw away the convention script
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG

Posted on 03/18/2012 2:23:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

For the first time in a generation, Republicans are preparing for the possibility that their presidential nomination could be decided at their national convention rather than on the campaign trail, a prospect that would upend one of the rituals of modern politics.

.....as Romney struggles to win the hearts of conservative voters and hold off a challenge from Rick Santorum, party leaders, activists and the campaigns are for the first time taking seriously the possibility that neither he nor anyone else will get to that total.

In that case, the nomination would be decided by the more than 2,200 delegates -- from obscure local officials and activists to national figures...

..campaign and party lawyers are dusting off their party rulebooks, running through decades-old procedural arcana,....

Party officials also are bracing for the possibility of a prenomination clash between the party's establishment and members of the Tea Party movement,...

"It's more likely than anything since '76, there's no question," ....

[snip]

..Gingrich's team is expected to hold...-- if only to keep Romney from reaching a majority.

...RepublicanNationalCommittee has alerted the Committee on Contests to be ready for action, preparing for the possibility of courtroom-like hearings run by lawyers who could decide whether the nomination is settled before party members take their seats in the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

Yet the question of whether the race spills over into the convention has opened a new battleground among campaigns in the complicated system of allocating delegates in state and county party gatherings that follow the primaries and caucuses.

....The burden of avoiding a convention fight largely rests on whether Romney can overcome his rivals in the pending contests.

[snip]

..."They may be planning on a contested convention, but it's irrelevant because we're going to get to 1,144," said the Romney campaign's chief counsel,..

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brokeredconvention; delegates; floorfight; gopconvention; gope; gopprimary; notinevitable; nottromney; slimandnone
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A very interesting article. The Establishment is concerned.

If the GOP-e pulls convention levers to install Romney, there will be hell to pay.

1 posted on 03/18/2012 2:23:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Added benefit:

This all makes for great publicity.

Political theatre, is far more intriguing than Obama’s teleprompters.

IMHO this could absolutely help Republicans in November.


2 posted on 03/18/2012 2:25:51 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You know they will if they have to. Look at all the other shenanigans they pulled. Ballot access. Awarding delegates improperly.


3 posted on 03/18/2012 2:28:47 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I think there is only one ticket that Can Stop the coronation of Romney.

Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin otherwise, it will be Romney's. Everyone else are team players. The GOP-e needs a cleaning out. It would be heavenly to see it this coming year so real reforms can begin.

4 posted on 03/18/2012 2:31:38 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Absolutely correct! I suspect many people who have heard nothing but horrible things about Conservatism will tune in to watch the ruckus of the GOP Convention.

Perhaps for the first time, many will hear incredibly inspiring oratory of men and women who love their country and wish to save it from Obamunism.

5 posted on 03/18/2012 2:37:26 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Christie at the beach

“I think there is only one ticket that Can Stop the coronation of Romney.”

Palin/Christie at the beach 2012!

Christie at the beach/Palin?


6 posted on 03/18/2012 2:40:10 AM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Christie at the beach; trappedincanuckistan; Cringing Negativism Network

The GOP-e obviously isn’t concerned about how Romney’s numbers will not surge but rather (imho) begin to soften as this moves forward. He’ll be the weak GOP-e pick that never should have been.

If the Party Establishment continues shoving Mitt down the Right’s gagging throat (now numbering over 50%) how can the rank and file possibly believe “leadership” wants to beat Obama in the general?

How will they keep the House and take the Senate if the base is dismissed and insulted at every turn?

They have NOT secured the base.

They believe that the base will have nowhere to go and that Obama getting another 8 years will put a gun to our heads.


7 posted on 03/18/2012 2:42:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bring it on! I think it absolutely will have more people tune in.


8 posted on 03/18/2012 2:43:20 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I am praying Palin, Newt and the Tea Party will break bad
at Tampa. Sure would love to see it. I wish that we had Newt/Palin now so the energy would be back. take care...


9 posted on 03/18/2012 2:45:48 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Well since Newt has ZERO chance, I guess we’re screwed. A brokered convention isn’t going to pick the guy who won two out of 50 states (or is it 57)


10 posted on 03/18/2012 3:10:50 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good thoughts, CW. A friend of mine in Washington said to me- the party thinks that we will have no other choice but to support him. Ann Coulter was speaking to a group here in my town saying that the base would come along in the fear of 4 more of years of Obama. And, Dick Morris said that what republicans in which they will loose; by the democrats crossing over, that would give Mitt his numbers to push him over. From your points, I see a political opening; to take the advantage. It's our time to go for change. To get our party and ideas back so we conservatives can set America's agenda for a stronger future. People have to realize that we are fighting for a traditional America. That's why I want Newt up standing beside of Obama at the debates. Newt can explain being a exceptional citizen and how you get there versus having a view of radicalism to ones life by blaming all who you disagree with and setting unjust unlawful policies to punish those very groups.

I just don't see people getting out in the streets to protest (not right now) for bold changes in how our government works. Overall people are busy, polite and in their comfort zones. Now, the time has come during convention for the delegates to stand up not for one person-for America's future. There will be insider republicans fighting hard and the independent conservatives will be standing their ground as well... be interesting and a good learning experience...I hope it explodes ( solving problems without political correctness-putting the country first) because good things don't come easy. I hope Newt and Palin come out of it-just no more team insiders.

I do think the GOP will begin
doing some under handled things now with these proportional delegates and changing rules to help Mitt. I just can't see them not letting him have this nomination. They would much prefer to save appearance than do what is the best for the people. It will be interesting to see this unfold.

11 posted on 03/18/2012 3:34:25 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: NavVet

A brokered convention is going to hand it to Romney.


12 posted on 03/18/2012 3:40:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NavVet
It is not about winning states any longer with this corrupt game that is taken place now. There is so much fraud and the point at convention is to have the BEST qualified person to take the helm of America. Newt will give his case through experience. It is like what Palin has said, the media has played this whole shell game. What you are seeing now, it's not going to matter. If Romney gets the delegates, it's his..If Romney wasn't a jerk, a liberal and a lair, Newt would probably get out to endorse him since he loves his country more than winning. Newt says he thinks that Rick cannot set bold plans into action. Newt thinks Romney will go along with the country club republicans and no changes. He is our best chance to either get changes or begin the conservation for conservatism that no other can explain in such detail. Imo.
13 posted on 03/18/2012 3:45:42 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Christie at the beach
One thing to all-I don't know what is going to happen. I know the party reads these kinds of forums to see what the the consensus is.

So many people think Romney is going to be the nominee, he could begin to win more so people can get it over with. I do know there is a desire for Bold changes-we have to wait and see what bubbles up/politeness to allow Mitt to have this or a fury to change the party w/a new person or maybe someone who is not even running.. one thing we can agree on; the GOP has problems.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 3:57:13 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
as Romney struggles to win the hearts of conservative voters

This phraseology makes it sound like he has a chance to win the conservative vote. He'll never win mine. If he gets the nomination, I'll vote down ticket but I will not vote for Romney.

15 posted on 03/18/2012 3:59:09 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Newt: "The high price of gas is the deliberate strategy of the left.")
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To: Christie at the beach
.................Newt will give his case through experience. It is like what Palin has said, the media has played this whole shell game. What you are seeing now, it's not going to matter. If Romney gets the delegates, it's his..If Romney wasn't a jerk, a liberal and a lair, Newt would probably get out to endorse him since he loves his country more than winning. Newt says he thinks that Rick cannot set bold plans into action. Newt thinks Romney will go along with the country club republicans and no changes. He is our best chance to either get changes or begin the conservation for conservatism that no other can explain in such detail. Imo.

Over 50% of the GOP are already leaning this way or in that camp. The Establishment has shown us that they are totally unable to confront the Left or embrace conservatism. Look what happened to the class of 2010? The battle lines are being drawn and I do believe Americans that rallied in 2010 for Sarah Palin conservatism will move toward a strong message.

Newt and Sarah do have conservatism in their bones.

I wrote this on another thread:

Over the last week I've had the opportunity to watch "Game Change" and "The Undefeated."

It was interesting to note striking similarities in how Gingrich and Palin were portrayed once they threatened the Establishment.

They're "crazy," "egotistic" and "power hungry." But prior to being labeled thus by their own party, they were "heroes" of reform and limited government. (Probably more due to their fund-raising draw than their conservative message)

Both had a barrage of ethics violations (that were later dismissed) aimed at them to force them to "quit." Which they both did in the end to allow their party to govern.

Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are both feared by the Establishment. They are recognized as effective leaders, who will offer true conservative change.

16 posted on 03/18/2012 4:05:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Divided GOP may have to throw away the convention script

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Newt/Palin

Then we 'throw away' the jackwagon named Obama!

Photobucket

  From Kenya only lies emit
  Our POTUS may not be legit
  He's all for one-party rule
  And the media thinks that's cool
  So the real birth certificate he'll never remit

Countdown until Jackwagon leaves Office: 308 days as of March 18, 2012.

17 posted on 03/18/2012 4:05:53 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Exactly....If the Republican Candidate is selected (or inevitable) early, such as the last cycle, then Republican issues are no longer covered by the media. The Democrats had the PR advantage by the long competition between Clinton and Obama. This time, a long competition AND drama at the convention will be in the headlines. The Democrat primaries and conventions will be a snoozer... everyone will turn to ESPN instead.
18 posted on 03/18/2012 4:12:07 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Something to ponder.......knowing the viciousness of the state run media and the communist regime in place there is no one person to set thier alynski tactics on with any definition. Seems like the conservative wing is forcing the GOP to the convention floor giving the people more of a hand in this while using an an Alynsiky tactic on the media and the regime limiting the amount of time they have to our candidate Conservative coup?


19 posted on 03/18/2012 4:12:37 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

=> Both had a barrage of ethics violations (that were later dismissed) aimed at them to force them to “quit.” Which they both did in the end to allow their party to govern.

Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are both feared by the Establishment. They are recognized as effective leaders, who will offer true conservative change.

My hubby said the very same thing. I really feel deeply those 2 can do it. Palin’s record proves it and Newt’s as well. Palin is a heck of a smart woman. Newt is a genius. The liberals would not be able to handle nor stop them. each could help one another. Be a dream come true.. Americans have to realize that we will never get our power back with people such as Romney.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 4:16:21 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Parties are made of people. Many of the Repubs are wimpy, get-along-go-along, will-you-like-me people. They must be either changed or tossed.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 4:29:44 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: NavVet
You've made the only sane comment on this thread so far. Newt Gingrich has had his chance with the voters, and the voters have not picked him. He is unlikely to win another state, and he will not be able to position himself as the consensus candidate.

Newt Gingrich supported Rockefeller against Goldwater in 1964. He really wasn't a Reaganite in 1980. Many of his delegates and supporters are going to be old line party people who are supporting him because of his years of party service. I realize that none of his foaming at the mouth supporters can accept this fact because they think the whole world revolves around their little echo chambers online, but much of Dr. Gingrich's support will be made of people who would rather accept someone like Mitt Romney who has has been through the primary process than to have an ugly fight at the convention in order to satisfy the mindless screamers.

The other factor will be whether the Ron Paul delegates are the kind that we find on forums spouting irrational rhetoric or whether they will be more experienced political activists who know when to accept a compromise in order to prepare for the general election. If a good number of Ron Paul's delegates are activists who put the country ahead of their vanity, they will support other candidates when they realize that Dr. Paul cannot win the nomination.

If we have a brokered convention, we may find that about half of the Newt Gingrich and half of the Ron Paul delegates are willing to support Mitt Romney in order to avoid a long fight that accomplishes nothing beyond further dividing the party. The Missouri caucuses showed that Ron Paul's people are willing to cooperate with Mitt Romney's people. Newt Gingrich may ask for some reward, but he's not likely to watch the convention go through dozens of ballots that only make the party look schizophrenic.

Finally, Sarah Palin is not going to be on the ticket. In many ways, I like her, but she's become damaged goods politically. She couldn't deliver Alaska for Joe Miller in 2010 or Newt Gingrich a few weeks ago. To most Americans, she's a joke. That perception is unfair, but crying that the perception is unfair won't change the perception.

22 posted on 03/18/2012 4:31:26 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Christie at the beach
One thing to all-I don't know what is going to happen. I know the party reads these kinds of forums to see what the the consensus is.

Cool.

FUMR!


23 posted on 03/18/2012 4:39:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: hal ogen

Former Democrats moved en masse into the Republican party and shifted it to the left. These are the so-called “moderate” Republicans, who support Mitt Romney. RINO lapdogs should fight to take the (Democrat) party back from the Socialists and nominate Romney to challenge Obama as a Democrat where he belongs!


24 posted on 03/18/2012 4:40:33 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You know, thee comes a point where mentioning a third party run might make sense. The GOPE will never allow a conservative candidate.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 4:45:07 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
there will be hell to pay.

a Tea Party independent candidate, Mitt coming in a distant 3rd, and the start of the GOP Going out of Business Sale.

26 posted on 03/18/2012 4:51:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
we're going to get to 1,144," said the Romney campaign's chief counsel,..

In case of that sad event, we need a third party, it might take years to establish it as a force in politics but the republican party will be officially dead if Mitt is nominated.

27 posted on 03/18/2012 4:55:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: WFTR
Jan 31, 2012 -- Sarah Palin: No more lies about Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan

" Sarah Palin is calling for an end to the “lies” she charges are being told about Newt Gingrich’s history with Ronald Reagan.

“Enough was enough when I started seeing rewritten history about Newt Gingrich’s relationship with Ronald Reagan and the Reagan revolution in the ’70s and in the ’80s,” she told Sean Hannity of Fox News Monday evening.

The former Alaska governor, who has not officially endorsed a candidate but has urged voters to vote for Gingrich, defended the lessons the former House speaker learned from Reagan, including on balancing the budget, reforming welfare, cutting taxes and downsizing the government.

“When I saw that rewritten by some in the establishment, I said, you know, for what it’s worth, I’m going to voice my opposition to that false narrative being rewritten,” Palin said. “That doesn’t mean I’m out there only boosting one candidate. I’m going to continue to say good things about every GOP candidate because anybody is going to be better than Obama, but enough was enough about lies being told about Newt Gingrich and his relationship with Ronald Reagan and within the Reagan Revolution.”

Earlier in the interview, the ex-vice presidential candidates suggested that the lies against Gingrich were largely coming from Mitt Romney’s camp, saying the battle between the two candidates has gotten “vicious.”

“Whether it is a PAC that is producing false narratives in ads or whether it’s false accusing another candidate themselves, they need to be called out. That is the politics of personal destruction,” she said. “It’s not a bad thing to ask for fairness, fairness means just telling the truth and debating relevant ideas, relevant solutions. Not all this personal stuff.” [end text]

28 posted on 03/18/2012 5:19:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The stars are aligning, so to speak, and this will go to the convention, and Sarah Palin will play a major role. Whether she's ultimately on the ticket or not, nobody and I do mean nobody motivates conservative enthusiasm and votes like she does.

The big question is, will we have a Reaganesque compromise with the establishment, a la George H. W. Bush as VP, or will we have what we've always gotten with a losing ticket, with the plodding, leaden establishment pick headlining?

I don't know, but this may be our last, best shot at righting things.

29 posted on 03/18/2012 5:21:59 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The videos are out there in Newt Gingrich's own words. The fact remains that Newt Gingrich wasn't the perfect Reaganite that some of his supporters like to claim. Sarah Palin's denials are part of why she is a joke. That part she deserves. For that matter, Ronald Reagan wasn't the perfect Reaganite that many of today's "conservatives" would like to pretend that he was.

Newt Gingrich is part of the establishment. That's his history. That's who he is. Being part of the establishment isn't always horrible. He had to work across all parts of the party to accomplish anything, particularly the 1994 election victories. As a lobbyist for the past ten years, he's had to work with all sorts of groups that are in power. (Claiming that he's a historian/consultant doesn't change the fact that he's essentially been a lobbyist. Either way, he's an insider.) He may be the choice of some people who rage against Mitt Romney because they are blinded by vanity, but they don't represent most of his support. Many of his people will go with the plurality winner rather than see the GOP dragged through dozens of ballots at the convention.

30 posted on 03/18/2012 5:45:53 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Romney is finished.


31 posted on 03/18/2012 5:46:45 AM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: Christie at the beach

Sadly, it is Newt’s bold plans I worry about. Newt seemed pretty hostile to the only kind of “Bold Plan” I would favor, Ryan’s Medicare reform for example, and pretty supportive of the kind of bold plan that has gotten us into this mess, Moon colonies and giant space mirrors for example.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: WFTR

Only one point I disagree with. Reagan was damaged goods as well. The reason that the left can successfully run a candidate with close ties to terrorists, racists, anti Semitics, and proud marxists, is because they could not care less what the right calls their candidate. On the other-hand, if the left makes any attempt to demonize, or marginalize one of our candidates that they actually fear, we are quick to throw in the towel and say, “He / She is un=electable now” Palin could energize the base and that is what wins elections. Romney can’t even energize his own family as his son’s praise of Obama demonstrates and yet nobody is suggesting he is unelectable.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 6:15:47 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: NavVet
Sadly, it is Newt’s bold plans I worry about. Newt seemed pretty hostile to the only kind of “Bold Plan” I would favor, Ryan’s Medicare reform for example,...

Does Ryan Now Agree with Gingrich? [And now, here's the rest of the story] "There is a perception lingering about NewtGingrich that he was a critic of PaulRyan's budget plan and therefore a critic of conservative fiscal policy in the House of Representatives. Is that conclusion true? Or is it an oversimplification? Like many misconceptions floating around during a heated political season, it is not true. Let's examine the facts.

On April 5, 2011, Representative PaulRyan, the HouseBudgetCommittee chairman, introduced the Republican budget for 2012. Included in that budget was a premium support model for Medicare. This budget was based on a similar plan previously laid out by Ryan called TheRoadmapforAmerica'sFuture. That document had been a RepublicanParty policy call to change the budget and put it on sound fiscal grounds compared to the Democrats' unwillingness to budget at all and tax and spend into infinity. The Harry Reid-run Senate has not passed a budget for over three years, even though they are required to by law.

Gingrich praised the Ryan plan in an article in Human Events on April 13. He called it the most serious attempt by an elected official to rethink our public finances and the modern welfare state in a generation. That is quite a compliment from a former speaker of the House to a current committee chairman. Using a golfing metaphor, Gingrich celebrated the plan, calling it a Ryan "eagle." Is that comparison a negative critique, or is it commendation? One week later, on April 20, Gingrich in the same space heaped more praise on the plan. He compared PaulRyan to PaulRevere, one of our nation's great heroes, and compared the Ryan Medicare plan with his own previous welfare reform. Why would he disparage something he would compare to one of his greatest achievements? Gingrich later said he would have voted for the plan if he had had the opportunity......"

.. and pretty supportive of the kind of bold plan that has gotten us into this mess, Moon colonies and giant space mirrors for example.

You don't know what you're talking about when you discuss this, and if you do and continue to characterize it as such, using Democratic talking points, you are no friend of national and economic security.

34 posted on 03/18/2012 6:44:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: WFTR

And you’ve made the second sane comment on this thread so far.
Realville, folks.


35 posted on 03/18/2012 7:35:01 AM PDT by adc
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To: WFTR; All

Finally, Sarah Palin is not going to be on the ticket. In many ways, I like her, but she’s become damaged goods politically. She couldn’t deliver Alaska for Joe Miller in 2010 or Newt Gingrich a few weeks ago. To most Americans, she’s a joke. That perception is unfair, but crying that the perception is unfair won’t change the perception.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Ahem, Joe didn’t win because Murkowski ran as an indie in the general and siphoned off just enough of the R’s (and perhaps a few D’s) to win. Murkowski is STILL a powerhouse name in Alaska politics with lots of GOP-e support and money. Joe was on a shoe-string budget and would of won if it was a traditional R-vs-D fight.

Palin is “damaged goods” to most Americans? Hmmmm....remember when they said that about Reagan and others in the past. I guess if your clientele are RINOS and liberal democrats, I guess so.

By the way, WTF-R, does it get tired reading the same old MSM talking points or have the zombie cells augmented your critical thinking areas?


36 posted on 03/18/2012 8:27:53 AM PDT by ak267
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

IMHO this could absolutely help Republicans in November.

Swing voters probably don't pay attention until after Labor Day.

37 posted on 03/18/2012 8:32:42 AM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hang in there Newt.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 8:34:10 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a known wise-@$$ shooting with you.)
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To: WFTR

AK267 is correct, the talking points on Palin are getting old and outdated.

WTF-R....LOL!!!! Spot on!


39 posted on 03/18/2012 8:34:10 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How will they keep the House and take the Senate if the base is dismissed and insulted at every turn?

EXACTLY. Great summary of the situation.

40 posted on 03/18/2012 8:34:54 AM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Christie at the beach
I am praying Palin, Newt and the Tea Party will break bad at Tampa. Sure would love to see it. I wish that we had Newt/Palin now so the energy would be back.

I sent Gingrich’s campaign a donation recently so as to encourage him in his attempt to force a brokered convention. I don’t usually donate but I felt this reasoning (forcing a brokered convention) was important.

I would encourage other Freepers who want a brokered convention to do the same, regardless of their opinion of Gingrich.

www.newt.org

41 posted on 03/18/2012 8:40:05 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: bkopto

Hell will freeze over zillions of times before I’d ever vote for Mit. If he gets the nod, it’s over for the republicans. I’ll just write in Santorum & never vote rep. again. Plenty of other non rat & pubbie choices. The fools running the party from their yachts & DC parlors are cowardly & stupid. This is why the demos will eventually always win. Reps always snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory & will probably do the same this election. Mitt? He’s Obama lite to me. He can go pound sand.


42 posted on 03/18/2012 8:57:01 AM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: adc; WFTR

If you look solely at the candidate’s records, and what each has actually accomplished, Newt is far and away the most conservative of the remaining candidates, and the only one with a proven record of changing the current trajectory.

He worked tirelessly to build a conservative majority in both Houses of Congress, he was the author of the Contract with America, the brains behind nationalizing the election using the Contract as a vehicle for winning majorities in the election in 1994, won Republican control for the first time in 40 years, implemented the Contract as promised, balanced the budget with those majorities, implemented welfare reform, built the Republican party into a majority in Georgia which had been Democratic-run since the Civil War, worked tirelessly to develop conservative ideas, principles, and for other conservative candidates. His reward? He was “Palinized” by the media, the dem/progressives, and abandoned by the GOP-E to twist in the wind.

Neither Romney nor Santorum have done a tenth as much as Newt to bring conservative ideas into the mainstream consciousness and national discussions. As a result, the dem/progressive/liberal/media alliance developed a template to destroy Newt they subsequently used on Palin, Cain, and any others they deem to be a conservative threat to the establishment and their power.

The worst thing, which I absolutely abhor, is that Romney and the GOP-E have now adopted the template used to destroy Newt in the mid-90’s by the lib/progressives/media in this 2012 Republican Primary to destroy Romney’s conservative opposition. I will be completely disgusted if they are rewarded for their efforts by Romney winning the nomination.

We should be better than that.

Ideas matter. Accomplishments matter. G_d help us if all it now takes to win a Republican nomination is the money to buy five or six or ten to one media ads against your conservative opposition, that tell half-truths, outright lies, and include endorsements of the mushy moderates that sat on their hands while we got into this mess, by going along with the ridiculous spending and expansion of the federal government into every aspect of our lives, in direct contravention with the constitution.

To ignore Newt’s accomplishments, while ignoring the absolute dearth of those types of accomplishments in Romney, is akin to sticking your head into a hole in the ground. You believe what never was and will never be accomplished.

Romney will court media approval and re-election to the exclusion of all else IF he is elected.

Better than Obama? Sure. Change the trajectory of our non-constitutional massive deficit spending congressional path? Not so much, judging by his past actions in that regard.

I had rather go down with someone who will make a difference, if elected, than vote for another mushy moderate that will simply slow the speed with which we approach the cliff.

Newt has demonstrated he can change the direction, and change Washington’s go-along-to-get-along power elite operating mode.

I am simply stunned that more good people, who know what we need to do to get back to constitutional limited government, one that lives within its means, cannot see that Newt’s determination to change Washington, and upset the power elite’s cushy status quo, fuels most of the negative ads and resistance to his candidacy.

Newt has no equal in succinctly and powerfully presenting the conservative argument and providing historically documented, practical examples of how those principles benefit us all. This is a critical skill needed to win independent and moderates over to our side.

Vote for whom you wish, but expect no change in direction from a Romney administration, IF he manages to get nominated, and IF he wins the general election.

I say it is high time for a little blood-letting on the convention floor, because the blood that will be spilt is that of the GOP-E. The winners will either be the Tea Party conservatives that are the base of the party, or we will finally form our own political party, where conservative ideas and constitutional principles will be given the respect and allegiance they deserve.

We will get much more media coverage of our ideas, and the dem/liberal/progressive/media alliance will not be able to concentrate their media ads against a single opponent until much later in the game than they would wish.


43 posted on 03/18/2012 9:16:43 AM PDT by Optimus Maximus (The criterion of truth is that it works even if nobody is prepared to acknowledge it -L von Mises)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
The '76 convention was grand drama indeed.

I had followed politics since '68 but was never passionate like I was, for the first time, in '76.

Of course we didn't have 14 TV networks doing 7x24 coverage back them and no internet. We were reliant upon the evening newscast and the endless flow of newspaper reports.

I bought the SF Chronicle every day as they were closest to the action at the Cow Palace...but I suspect every major paper in the world was there by the final count.

Screaming. Fist-fights in the aisles. Shout-downs. Complete chaos.

Then Reagan announced his VP choice before, I believe, the 3rd ballot. Some NE LIBERAL (Weicker?) and the Mississippi delegation walked out, shortly thereafter announcing their support of Ford and ending the fight.

Millions of us dropped to the floor weeping.

A crushing defeat.

44 posted on 03/18/2012 9:32:10 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: WFTR

Given Santorums’s history as a lobbyist, who are you supporting?


45 posted on 03/18/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WHEN Mittens fails to secure the Republican nomination for President of the United States on the first ballot then the Establishment will go with Plan ‘B’.

“Wait...Watch...and LEARN.”
—George HW Bush

You Betcha!


46 posted on 03/18/2012 10:33:20 AM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: WFTR
Newt Gingrich supported Rockefeller against Goldwater in 1964.

Newt Gingrich was 21 years old in 1964. Stop being an asshole.

47 posted on 03/18/2012 11:48:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Christie at the beach
...there is only one ticket that Can Stop the coronation of Romney.

Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin

That is the absolute truth, my friend. It's also the only ticket that has the potential and the resolve to reverse the destruction of Obama and the Democrats.

If those two don't wind up being inaugurated in January 2013, America's in for another four years of swirling down the porcelain receptacle. May even be a complete flush by 2016.

48 posted on 03/18/2012 12:05:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NavVet

The big difference I see between Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin is that he had two successful terms as California governor. In one sense, I don’t blame Sarah Palin for resigning as governor of Alaska. The way the rules in Alaska are written, trying to stay in office would have ruined her family’s financial future in defending against the baseless charges that the left made. On the other hand, justification for her decision doesn’t change the fact that she had only two years as governor. As ugly as things were in the 60’s, Ronald Reagan governed California in a better time, and he took less damage than Sarah Palin did. By 1980, he was an older and more accomplished candidate. Sarah Palin won’t be able to boast the same resume this year.


49 posted on 03/18/2012 1:00:42 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: adc

Thanks!


50 posted on 03/18/2012 1:01:06 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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