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To: Melas
Self defense? You honestly think this kid attacked this guy?

I do not have all the evidence. None of us does. The police say the physical evidence is consistent with George Zimmerman's story. It seems more likely to me that Zimmerman was attacked than that he attacked.

I see that he is being lynched in the press without any real evidence.

Do you honestly think this guy just shot Trayvon without being attacked?

What this comes down to, I think, is whose story do you believe?

Young men between 15 and 25 tend to be very aggressive.

Trayvon was suspended from school for a week. That is why he was in that development with his father. Maybe he was suspended for drawing a picture of a gun. I do not know. His father refuses to tell anyone why he was suspended.

I know that lots of people have been attacked by young men for "looking at them wrong" or "disrespecting them".

Again, the only story that we have is George Zimmerman's. The police say that it is consistent with the physical evidence. We may not torture Zimmerman to make him change his story.

Zimmerman could have been aggressive and provoked Martin. There is just no evidence to show it.

42 posted on 03/18/2012 8:14:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Again, the only story that we have is George Zimmerman’s.”

Yeah, and the reason for that is that Zimmerman killed Martin. This means that Zimmerman’s story should be regarded with more suspicion, not less just because his is the only story.

“Zimmerman could have been aggressive and provoked Martin. There is just no evidence to show it.”

What are you talking about? It is not disputed that Zimmerman followed Martin in his car and then got out and approached him. That in itself, when done by anyone other than a police officer, is aggressive and provocative behavior. We don’t know if the kid tried to run or stood his ground and fought, but either way, he did nothing wrong and Zimmerman is still a murderer. The facts speak for themselves. Maybe Zimmerman just wanted to “detain” him but he had no legal authority to do so and the kid would have been perfectly justified to see him as a threat.

What could he possibly have yelled to Martin as he got out of his car that would not have identified him as a threat? “Freeze, Neighborhood Watch”?

Also, Zimmerman is 28 while Martin was 17 and 100 pounds lighter. Is Zimmerman that much of a wimp that he wouldn’t have been able to handle a kid in a physical confrontation without shooting him?


45 posted on 03/18/2012 8:31:59 PM PDT by FreeFromWhat
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To: marktwain
Zimmerman became the aggressor the moment he exited his vehicle. His suspicion over the kid was never justified in the first place. Was a home in the neighborhood robbed by someone matching the kid's description? Did Zimmerman hear gunshots and then see this kid come running around the corner with a gun in his hand? What in heaven's name made him even follow the kid in the first place? Ah, it's because the kid was wearing a hoodie and walking too slowly in the rain.....right, put in a hi-cap magazine and let's roll!

He obviously is paranoid and wanted to justify his paranoia by "catching" the kid at something. When the kid leaves the road, Zimmerman has to get out of his car and takes off after the kid. Upon confronting the kid, he starts to get his fat butt kicked and then pulls his gun rather than take the beating.

I think everyone here needs to step back one step from the final confrontation scene and look back in time as to why Zimmerman got out of his car. There was no crime in progress that Zimmermna witnessed and Zimmerman was not confronting the youth to save an innocent bystander.

He's going to do a lot of time for this shooting and well he should.

46 posted on 03/18/2012 8:36:33 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: marktwain

He was suspended for tardiness. Also, it has been reported that Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. Martin weighed 140 pounds. That’s more than a 100 pound difference.

Zimmerman is 28. He very much falls into the “young man” category and should be in his physical prime. A 17 year old has yet to reach his physical prime.


57 posted on 03/19/2012 7:26:33 AM PDT by Thunderballer
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To: marktwain
I know that lots of people have been attacked by young men for "looking at them wrong" or "disrespecting them".

Bears repeating. The commies tell us that to notice a pattern of hyper-aggression by young urban black males is racism at its most vile. On the other hand, commie dogma insists that presuming fear and hostility toward blacks by everyone else is the most noble predisposition of all. Those of us who are neither crazy nor retarded notice the contradiction here.

58 posted on 03/19/2012 9:06:02 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: marktwain

“Trayvon was suspended from school for a week. That is why he was in that development with his father.”

I did not know that. Zimmerman still should have avoided the conflict, though.


63 posted on 03/19/2012 12:27:39 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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