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To: PapaBear3625
This is consistent with the following scenario: Martin is on top, beating Zimmerman (accounts for Zimmerman's broken nose and wound to back of head, probably from hitting the ground after being attacked).

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It is even more consistent with this scenario....

Martin was walking to his dad's GF's house after buying candy at a local store (known truth).

Martin was unarmed (known truth).

Zimmerman followed Martin in his car (known truth). btw...how slow do you have to drive to stay behind somebody on foot? what do you think the person on foot thinks about the vehicle stalking him?

Zimmerman was armed (known truth).

Martin ran (known truth). btw...this is exactly what a teen or anybody being followed by an adult in a car should do.

Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin (known truth).

In all these known truths Zimmerman was the armed pursuer and Martin was the unarmed pursued -- and he tried to get away.

Given these known truths it is far more likely a scenario that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, continued his aggressive behavior, Martin defended himself from the grown man with a gun and got the upper hand.

59 posted on 03/23/2012 6:05:30 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
Given these known truths it is far more likely a scenario that Zimmerman caught up with Martin, continued his aggressive behavior, Martin defended himself from the grown man with a gun and got the upper hand.

How likely are you to get into a fist fight with a man who you know has a gun? Versus trying to run away? A 17 year old athlete WILL be able to outrun a chubby 240 pound guy.

It's more likely that Martin did not know Zimmerman had a gun before the second that Zimmerman shot him.

Plus, even back when I was 17, I would not be likely to be walking 4 miles round trip, in the rain, to get skittles. The ONLY thing that would have had me walking 4 miles in the rain would have been if I was escorting a pretty girl. Then again, if my primary purpose for walking around was to case the neighborhood, then stopping off for a snack in the process would be likely.

62 posted on 03/23/2012 6:43:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: wtc911

Known truth: You are an agitprop race bating troll stinking up Freerepublic for a hidden agenda that is not so hidden anymore.


74 posted on 03/23/2012 10:51:46 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wtc911

Known truth: You are an agitprop race baiting troll stinking up Freerepublic for a hidden agenda that is not so hidden anymore.


75 posted on 03/23/2012 10:52:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wtc911

Your post #59 is excellent. It’s exactly what I’ve thought. Trayvon reasonably felt menaced.

I won’t speculate on whether or not Zimmerman “caught up with Martin...,” or not, but I will maintain, as I have said all along, that Zimmerman, through his ill-advised action of getting out of his vehicle with a weapon to confront Martin, precipitated the events that followed.
Does that mean Zimmerman is a murderer by legal definition? No. A jury trial must sort that out.


76 posted on 03/23/2012 11:03:13 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: wtc911

Sorry, but some of your “truths” there just aren’t. Zimmerman was on foot when he was looking for Martin, not in his car. I haven’t seen anything that says Martin ran away, but only that Z lost sight of him. Part of the 911 call has Z saying that M was coming back toward him for a confrontation (which did then happen).

Apparently there’s a number of witnesses. I think I’ll wait until -after- the evidence is in to make a decision about who I believe. Right now I’m perfectly willing to believe either side.


87 posted on 03/23/2012 12:48:48 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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