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Trayvon Martin case has been poorly handled, Santorum says
Washington Post ^ | 3/23/12 | Felicia Sonmez and Nia-Malika Henderson

Posted on 03/23/2012 3:19:52 PM PDT by AnybodyButBarry

In remarks after President Obama made his first public comment on the matter, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum said Friday that the handling by Florida law enforcement of the Trayvon Martin case has been “horrible” and that the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law should not apply to the shooter, George Zimmerman.

“Well, ‘Stand Your Ground’ is not doing what this man did,” Santorum said Friday morning at a campaign event in Monroe, La. “There’s a difference between ‘Stand Your Ground’ and doing what he did. And it’s a horrible case. It’s chilling to hear what happened, and of course the fact that law enforcement didn’t immediately go after and prosecute this case is another chilling example of horrible decisions made by people in this process.”

Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, has not been charged in the shooting.

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TOPICS: US: Florida; US: Pennsylvania
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To: AnybodyButBarry

Newt mentioned the “Stand your ground” issue but made the distinction that if Zimmmerman was following him then it likely wouldn’t apply. He did NOT badger on about how the case was being handled by the authorities as Santorum did...and Obama implied....he has more respect for the authorities to do their job and then see what the evidence shows or not.

However he was on Neighborhood Watch...and according to the recorded call to the police, when they told him they didn’t want them to follow him he stopped...and it was for only a few seconds while he was on the phone with them that he did so.

The questions are what happened after the phone call....and that’s not clear yet.


101 posted on 03/23/2012 7:30:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: easternsky

Guess so, spelled not wrong. lol


102 posted on 03/23/2012 7:32:42 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: AnybodyButBarry

Newt mentioned the “Stand your ground” issue but made the distinction that if Zimmmerman was following him then it likely wouldn’t apply. He did NOT badger on about how the case was being handled by the authorities as Santorum did...and Obama implied....he has more respect for the authorities to do their job and then see what the evidence shows or not.

However he was on Neighborhood Watch...and according to the recorded call to the police, when they told him they didn’t want them to follow him he stopped...and it was for only a few seconds while he was on the phone with them that he did so.

The questions are what happened after the phone call....and that’s not clear yet.


103 posted on 03/23/2012 7:33:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: AnybodyButBarry

Lurk before you leap, Noob.


104 posted on 03/23/2012 7:33:41 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: AnybodyButBarry

Actually, he’s dead right on this one-and as conservatives, I had presumed that a major priority was justice for the victims and ensuring sleazy defense attorneys and their clients dont get away with self defense excuses, and ensuring the police go after these gangsters to the full extent of the law. Even though this is a case where many so called “civil rights” leaders will spin it into a race issue nonstop, thsi should be no different.


105 posted on 03/23/2012 7:33:56 PM PDT by emax
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To: AnybodyButBarry

Actually, he’s dead right on this one-and as conservatives, I had presumed that a major priority was justice for the victims and ensuring sleazy defense attorneys and their clients dont get away with self defense excuses, and ensuring the police go after these gangsters to the full extent of the law. Even though this is a case where many so called “civil rights” leaders will spin it into a race issue nonstop, thsi should be no different.


106 posted on 03/23/2012 7:34:24 PM PDT by emax
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To: rwfromkansas

“Seriously, you think the Post would just make up quotes when Santorum could easily prove he didn’t say it?”

Please excuse the Santorum people. They are so desperate to get rid of Obama, that they have thrown all reason to the wind. Its almost like they are in a horror movie where aliens have taken over their minds. Whatever Santorum says, they hear something completely different. Then they revise what he “meant” to say. They think that thing he wears is a super hero cape, when it is actually just a sweater vest. When Santorum starts rambling and talks in circles, they think he is Ronald Reagan. It is very sad and we are hopeful they will recover soon.


107 posted on 03/23/2012 7:43:48 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: kcvl

THANK You! This is what I knew but couldn’t find a pic. Besides that, he was nearly 6 feet tall and a football player. He was no little kid sippin’ tea.

Zimmerman is being set up huge. He is from a racially mixed family. So where is Marco Rubio to defend his fellow hispanic in his home state?


108 posted on 03/23/2012 7:43:48 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: caww

7 p.m.

Not 2 a.m.


109 posted on 03/23/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: RIghtwardHo
Does Rick Santorum know the facts? I don't know how he could when the investigation is still being done.

Did you hear Newt's comments?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/gingrich-calls-obamas-trayvon-martin-remarks-disgraceful/

110 posted on 03/23/2012 7:45:05 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: AnybodyButBarry

The audio tape is a prosecutors wet dream....”self defense” doesn’t involve CHASING DOWN the suspect. Gives O-jackass another tool to screw law-abiding gun owners.


111 posted on 03/23/2012 7:54:36 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Robert357

Political points indeed. Frankly, this whole thing is being played as a big opportunity to paint white people as trigger-happy racists. And, of course, the only way to “atone” is to re-elect Obama. The fact that Zimmerman is a multiracial Hispanic is lost as his name sounds German.


112 posted on 03/23/2012 7:59:57 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: seekthetruth

It really doesn’t matter people. Look at these damned asses.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Trayvon-Martin/278155035593734


113 posted on 03/23/2012 8:01:26 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Fee

“The police operator told him not to follow Martin and let the cops arrive to handle the situation.”

I keep seeing this statement get posted and hearing it made, but the fact is the 911 operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that” when Zimmerman responded that he was still following Martin after being asked by the 911 operator. I didn’t hear on the 911 tapes that the operator said don’t follow him, just that “we don’t need you to do that, the police are on the way”. “We don’t need you to do that”, and “don’t follow” have two very different connotations...

Yes, it is parsing, but Zimmerman also told the 911 operator that they always get away... In my mind that changes things a bit (based on all the other reports of increased crime in the area).


114 posted on 03/23/2012 8:04:27 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: RasterMaster

What audio tape are you talking about? He had told the dispatcher he was following the guy, the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that.”
Zimmerman then informed the dispatcher that he had lost sight of Martin and was headed back to his truck when he was attacked from out of nowhere. His calls for help were recorded on the 911 tape.
Witnesses saw him being beaten but no one helped him.
AND FWIW, I don’t think this would have gotten past the local news if whoever brought this on KNEW that ZIMMERMAN was not white, but hispanic.
They jumped at his NAME because it sounds European and even possibly Jewish. Maybe sounded skinheadish. Or neonazi. They thought they had them a winner. But what they HAVE is a chubby, light brownskinned hispanic who was only watching out for his neighbors, some of whom were black. OOOOO. What bad guy he is.
Shame on all those who don’t bother with facts. I want to see forensic pics of Martin’s knuckles.


115 posted on 03/23/2012 8:18:11 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: WPaCon
What type of Hispanic is named Zimmerman?

Maybe he's a Russian Hispanic and part Apache. Why don't you do the genealogy on him?

You must be on the east coast, all worried about that. I mean, WTF??


116 posted on 03/23/2012 8:20:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Christie at the beach

Zimmerman and his wife served as mentors to two teenage children of an African-American woman.

Though funding was cut for the program, the couple continued their efforts on their own, taking the 13-year-old girl and 14-year-old boy on outings to a mall, a science center and a basketball game.

They also helped in a fund-raiser for an African-American church.

“I do not believe that’s the indication of a person who’s a racist,” His attorney stated. “I don’t see anything that indicates to me that he’s a racist.”

Zimmerman’s his nose was broken; he sustained injury on the back of his head he sustained a cut that was serious enough it probably should have had stitches,”


117 posted on 03/23/2012 8:37:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

This crap is going to backfire on these racebaiting gangters huge. And I’m still waiting for the hispanic community to shake off the cobwebs. THIS is what racebaiting dems DO!

I mean think about it. Had they KNOWN Zimmerman was hispanic, would ANYONE be talking about it today? What if Zimmerman was not only hispanic, but gay? Just a thought.

PS, I fully realize that my sense of humor is a tad warped...but just think about the ramifications of throwing a gay hispanic under the bus for holder’s peeps. Who do you appease first?

Pubbies should have stayed wayyyy back from this until the facts were in. I was so sorry to see Allen West jump in this with both feet.


118 posted on 03/23/2012 8:51:17 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: RIghtwardHo
This former Prosecutor Persecutor agrees with Rick.

I fixed it for you; you're welcome.

It is nice to know you can declare guilt without all the facts and in spite of reports Zimmerman has a wound in the back of his head and Martin was on top of Zimmerman; beating him.

So much for innocent until proven guilty. Maybe, just maybe the police and DA happen to know a little bit more than we do (or maybe they don't know enough) and that's why they haven't arrested Zimmerman.

119 posted on 03/23/2012 8:52:13 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: MestaMachine
I was so sorry to see Allen West jump in this with both feet.

Not at all. We got to see a facet of the man that isn't poll-tested. These moments are pretty revealing.

120 posted on 03/23/2012 8:53:38 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: lodi90
The NYT is reporting Zimmerman as a white hispanic. They're making him 'white enough' to hate.
121 posted on 03/23/2012 9:01:05 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Road Glide

Blacks have taken to calling lynching the Black Holocaust. I think comparing 3446 summary executions, over 86 years, of suspected black criminals by vigilante groups vs over 4000 executions per day of Jewish men, women and children over a 4-year period by the Nazis is quite a stretch.


122 posted on 03/23/2012 9:08:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Repeat Offender

A whole new race to hate. Well now. Does that make obama a white black person? How many ways can the race card be used that they have to make up a whole new catagory for being utterly beyond stupid about this?


123 posted on 03/23/2012 9:09:56 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: WPaCon

one who sings through his nose?


124 posted on 03/23/2012 9:18:18 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: MestaMachine
Pubbies should have stayed wayyyy back from this until the facts were in. I was so sorry to see Allen West jump in this with both feet.

Yep they should have...However I blame Obama as had he not piped up about this then unlikely anyone would have.....he opened this can of worms and once the people knew he was in their court on to the streets! They are like followers of the piped piper!!! He says jump..they say how high ginning from ear to ear as they go.

I think more importantly to consider...what if both were Hispanic, or both black..or white...or red.green whatever?

It would have been just another fight that someone got shot at in...that's all.

I didn't hear Wests comments....might be he's doing so to offset and throw Obama off tilt...in other words our guys are letting it be known they're watching this as well and will jump down Obamas throat if he gets out of line.

125 posted on 03/23/2012 9:40:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: AnybodyButBarry

I’ve had it with Santy. In less than a week his IQ level has dropped by 90%.


126 posted on 03/23/2012 9:41:50 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (When the smart do nothing the stupid take over)
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To: AnybodyButBarry

I’ve had it with Santy. In less than a week his IQ level has dropped by 90%.


127 posted on 03/23/2012 9:41:53 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (When the smart do nothing the stupid take over)
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To: MestaMachine

Seriously, do you think any of that matters??? The media spin is he shot this thug-in-training in cold blood...at least according to Sean Vannity. There was a young thug robbing a drug store in Okc recently who got dead when the pharmasist plugged him behind the counter. The pharmacist got life in prison for defending himself while the just-out-of-prison felon will skate soon enough.

Regardless, that this is another orchestrated media event, plain and simple. They’re pulling the strings now.


128 posted on 03/23/2012 9:50:30 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: AnybodyButBarry

What a retard. I was a supporter before this.

He just handed the nomination to Romney.

Not ready for prime time.

If the pansey wants to seek approval from the leftist media - fine - but leave me out.


129 posted on 03/23/2012 10:02:18 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: dragnet2
You must be on the east coast, all worried about that. I mean, WTF??

Not quite east coast, but I spent most of my life where Hispanics are nonexistent if that is what you are getting at. In fact, I've spent almost my entire life in the least Hispanic city in the country, Pittsburgh, before moving further midwest recently.

Hey, I'm just confused. How does such a Hispanic guy have a German name? Is he perhaps not really or fully Hispanic or something?

130 posted on 03/23/2012 11:00:40 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: Zhang Fei

Eva Longoria is considered Hispanic?

Shows how out-of-touch with Hollywood and Hispanic culture I am.


131 posted on 03/23/2012 11:03:46 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: kcvl
Obama: “If I Had A Son He'd Look Like Trayvon” Obama: “If I Had A Son He'd Look Like Trayvon”
Obama: “If I Had A Son He'd Look Like Trayvon”
132 posted on 03/24/2012 12:01:39 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: WPaCon
Lorenzo Longoria, Eva’s first ancestor to arrive in the New World, sailed from Spain in 1603. Through the generations, Lorenzo’s descendants moved north to the modern US-Mexico border. In 1767, Pedro Longoria, Eva’s 7th great-grandfather, received almost 4000 acres along the Rio Grande in a land grant from the King of Spain.
133 posted on 03/24/2012 12:09:08 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: AnybodyButBarry
“Well, ‘Stand Your Ground’ is not doing what this man did,” Santorum said Friday morning at a campaign event in Monroe, La. “There’s a difference between ‘Stand Your Ground’ and doing what he did. And it’s a horrible case. It’s chilling to hear what happened, and of course the fact that law enforcement didn’t immediately go after and prosecute this case is another chilling example of horrible decisions made by people in this process.”

I like Santorum, but statements like this are characterized by too many unsupported assertions.

How does Santorum know that law enforcement did not perform its duties? What is wrong with trusting the system to present the facts, and then making statements? I am disappointed in Rick.

134 posted on 03/24/2012 3:09:49 AM PDT by olezip
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To: olezip

I withdraw my support for Santorum. too bad I can’t get the money back.


135 posted on 03/24/2012 3:14:25 AM PDT by anton
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Trayvon Martin

Born Feb 5, 1995 (1995-02-05)

Died Feb 26, 2012 (2012-02-26)

aged 17
(not 11-14 as family photos and media have attempted to portray)

Sanford, Florida, USA

Cause of death homicide (alleged)

Nationality American

Other "names" Nicknames: Tray; Slimm

Ethnicity African American

Hometown Miami, Florida

Height 6'3" (another sources states 6'2")

Weight 140 lbs.
(I doubt he was only 140 lbs. at 6"3"
- another source states he was 190 lbs.)


136 posted on 03/24/2012 6:15:54 AM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that with a WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: Cicero

Sort of looks like he stopped looking for the kid and was walking back to his truck when he was attacked from behind. The wound in the back of the head makes me thing he was hit from behind. Tea can or bottle?


137 posted on 03/24/2012 6:22:40 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The father of the kid said the voice calling for help was NOT his son.


138 posted on 03/24/2012 6:24:36 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

“The father of the kid said the voice calling for help was NOT his son.”

He has since retracted that, from what I understand.

Regardless, he was listening to a bad recording of a 9/11 call with screaming in the background. I would be interested to find out how many recordings like that he had previously heard of his son by way of comparison.

None, would be my guess.


139 posted on 03/24/2012 6:31:35 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The eyewitness said the guy on the ground wearing a red sweater was the one calling for help.


140 posted on 03/24/2012 6:35:22 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT

ORLANDO - A witness we haven’t heard from before paints a much different picture than we’ve seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

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But one man’s testimony could be key for the police.

“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012


141 posted on 03/24/2012 6:39:14 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

I’m aware of that report. It changes the whole narrative, doesn’t it?

Poor Al, Jesse and Louis.

The lib race-baiters never want the facts to get in the way of a good lynching, do they?

;-)


142 posted on 03/24/2012 6:42:09 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I also think it is possible that the father retracted his original statement because that would mean the voice calling for help was Zimmerman, and he couldn’t have that. Do you suppose they have retracted this statement too?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

On Monday afternoon, a FOX 35 News crew met with Tracy Martin who said the victim in the shooting is her 17-year-old son, Trayvon, who was visiting from Miami.

“He walked out of the house to go to the store. He was going to the store,” she said. “He doesn’t know anybody here. He just came down here, so he was bored, so he walked down to the store. He was on his way back home. I’m living down here. He was sitting on the porch and this man killed him.”


143 posted on 03/24/2012 6:48:02 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: dragnet2
Now be honest y'all.

Any FReepers out there with late teenage or early 20s single daughters, who would allow them to date this "couldn't make the force" guy? Sheesh.

Guilty.

Gives me the shivers just looking.

As it is, too many trigger happy Barney Fife rentacops in this country if you ask me. But again, as I was not there, will just wait for the trial to bring out the facts. Still, gut level reaction ain't good.

I don't know. Maybe not guilty. What's his background? Any priors? Any "shoot from the hip" type run ins or assaults? The poor kid shot down might have also had a rap sheet and was up to no good. Doesn't look good any way you look at it.

144 posted on 03/24/2012 6:57:35 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Fraud: Feign support on FR for weeks FOR Newt--against RICK--then slowly "come out" for ROMNEY!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I think the issue we need to be focusing on is the one the media is in hysterics about. And that is their preordained narrative that this was a WHITE GUY who shot a BLACK KID and America is a horrible place and we should all do some “soul-searching.”

Otherwise, it’s a local law enforcement issue, not a national crisis. They can’t have that.

The sooner we put that lie to bed, and the sooner the media is exposed for the racial flamethrowers they are, the better off we will all be.

Focus.


145 posted on 03/24/2012 7:08:03 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Netizen

I did not see that previously. Wow.

So I’m a little slow here...the original report was that the kid was on the “porch” when he got killed? Help me here, I admit I’m late to the game.

What is the basic message here, because this is good.


146 posted on 03/24/2012 7:12:18 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Actually, it does appear to be a) some kind of general distraction at a very interesting time, and b) conforming to some kind of operational narrative being ginned up in this election year by both Obama and the usual race bait suspects. Could be an effort to burnish "white guilt" even deeper as it has subsided somewhat in three years when it initially helped propel "The One" into the White House. The White House knows with this kind of economy in the crapper, they are going to need a) a pissed-off base that will turn out for them, and b) a white-guilt laden majority who will give him a slide (pass) again, so they can "feel good about themselves". Weird.

So I smell a rat, but I have no conclusions, that kid could also have lost his life unecessarily, which is not right either. Who knows?

147 posted on 03/24/2012 7:17:12 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Fraud: Feign support on FR for weeks FOR Newt--against RICK--then slowly "come out" for ROMNEY!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

All that is true. But if this is just another unjustified homicide, it is local news only.

They will not allow that. Never mind that the shooter was Hispanic. The official story is he was white as a KKK sheet. That’s the only thing that matters.

Now jump on the bandwagon with Obama and stand up for racial justice!!!

lol


148 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:23 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: AnybodyButBarry

What has been poorly handled is Santorum’s campaign. Tired candidates with tired staff usually manage to step on important body parts and get to go home to recuperate early.

As long as it’s anybody but Obama, the nation has a fighting chance.


149 posted on 03/24/2012 7:22:05 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: anton
In analyzing your posts, I see you were disgusted the most with Newt Gingrich. You had only a few statements of support of Santorum and were not around that much at all during primary season. You had negative things to say about Ron Paul. I found nothing in your posts in opposition to MITT ROMNEY.

Question is, if you are "no longer for Santorum" as of today, what are you going to do? Whom are you going to support?

You going with Romney, whom I saw you say nothing against on FR (at least as far as I could search?)

150 posted on 03/24/2012 7:25:53 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Fraud: Feign support on FR for weeks FOR Newt--against RICK--then slowly "come out" for ROMNEY!)
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