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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.
1 posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:55 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Due Process clause?

Not applicable here, FRiend.

As for the victim helping the perp, why would anyone render aid to someone who they had to shoot in self defense?


2 posted on 03/25/2012 12:35:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.

If someone is on top of you, beating you towards unconsciousness, the attack is a deadly attack.
4 posted on 03/25/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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Oh, but it is considered race baiting to take up for an innocent black man, apparently.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 12:38:45 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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“The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.”

Good, I'll say so.

For all those people possessing perfect clairvoyant powers, the use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack is wrong.

For the rest of us, not possessing any superhuman powers of perception, if you find yourself on the ground being pummeled by a maniac, with absolutely no way to know what his ultimate intention is - blow the M_F_ away and let lawyers sort it out. Better to be defended by one than carried by six.

9 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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I think expecting Zimmerman to give aid to Martin, under the circumstances, is unreasonable. Zimmerman was probably in a state of shock and he’s not a professional.

If I had been Zimmerman, it probably wouldn’t even have crossed my mind.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 12:40:28 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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I heard the 911 call. Sounded to me like Zimmerman should have done what the dispatcher said.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 12:42:22 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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From the article: "...Neighbors describe Zimmerman as a portly young man who walked casually through the neighborhood with his rottweiler and a gun...."

Really? Florida is not an open carry state, and Zimmerman would have been breaking the law to open display his weapon.

I don't believe a single word in the article. As far as I am concerned, if one part of it is rotten, it all stinks.

14 posted on 03/25/2012 12:44:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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Maybe if you’d have been there to tell Zimmerman that he was getting pummeled but it wouldn’t be a deadly pummeling the this could have been prevented.


17 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:08 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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Conservatives be smart. Liberals want to draw us in and blame us. Respond by saying this is a Latino vs Black affair. They should resolve this with their political and legal forces. All non Latinos and non Blacks keep out of it. In other words, be the monkey on the rock watching two lions fight.


18 posted on 03/25/2012 12:46:39 PM PDT by Fee
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Wasn’t Trayvon dead at this point? How do you help a dead man?


24 posted on 03/25/2012 12:48:01 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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Never tried to help? Maybe he was applying pressure to a wound. I dunno. Seems the beating had stopped, so he had no reason to (and there is no evidence he did) continue to use force of violence against Trayvon.

I imagine he's pretty high on adrenaline at this point. I have no idea what his skills and training are, as far as first aid in a life threatening trauma. Most people are taught to not move the person around, as that has a risk of aggravating injury.

27 posted on 03/25/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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I guess no one has ever been beaten to death with fists?
Whether an attack is life threatening or not is dependent on the victims immediate thoughts and perceptions. So when is he allowed to shoot, before or after he goes unconcious, leaving him with no protection?

Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his vehicle, but that doesnt mean he should be beaten to a pulp or worse.

Spend a couple of nights in the hood without a weapon and report back to me...if you can.....

Do you think Zimmerman can get an impartial jury and a fair trial now?


31 posted on 03/25/2012 12:52:53 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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Non-Deadly attack? Are you insane? You can easily kill a person with your bare hands. I still don't know the whole story and neither does anyone else, IMO, so your assertion is absurd at this point.

Hopefully, all will become clear in the near future.

38 posted on 03/25/2012 12:57:13 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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What with all the yammering and screaming, I don’t know what the truth is anymore:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-witness-claims-trayvon-martin-attacked-george-zimmerman/


42 posted on 03/25/2012 1:01:24 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Santorum in the primary, Anyone But Obama in November !!!)
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Since Martin was already shot, the best thing Zimmerman could do was to leave him alone until qualified medical help arrived.


47 posted on 03/25/2012 1:04:49 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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Try being on the receiving end of someone sitting you and pummeling you face before you decide if was non-deadly.


55 posted on 03/25/2012 1:12:10 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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Here is the Latest OFFICIAL report of the shooting.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Here is a News Report from a MONTH ago interviewing eye witnesses:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4

Here is more information from neighbors:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120321195530AALPKWj

Please educate yourself before your ignorance gets innocent people killed.


56 posted on 03/25/2012 1:13:27 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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An earlier story in which the police state that Cutcher changed her story from what she initially told them. Don't know what the truth is.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446_p2/trayvon-martin-case.html

64 posted on 03/25/2012 1:17:59 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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Is there a requirement, a constitutional obligation that says he has to help? And what did this late-blooming witness do to help? Anything?

How much are the race baiters paying her for her testimony?


66 posted on 03/25/2012 1:20:31 PM PDT by meyer (Fluke - the new "F" word)
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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution.

What part of the Constitution makes the Due Process Clauses of either the Fifth or Fourteenth Amendments applicable to individuals?

69 posted on 03/25/2012 1:24:15 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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