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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.
1 posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:55 PM PDT by Steelfish
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I'm 69, on oxygen 24/7. Are you telling me that I must let someone beat me almost to death and can only shoot them when they cross some line making it absolutely clear they intend to kill me?

Sorry, it ain't gonna happen, what little bit of life I have left will be defended.

89 posted on 03/25/2012 1:50:42 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Are you retarded?

Due Process:
“A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one’s life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.”

In fact - as of now - the facts of this case and the insanity surrounding it - are pointing in the direction OPPOSITE due process. Using race to DENY Zimmerman his due process.

You have opened your mouth and removed all doubt.


94 posted on 03/25/2012 1:58:45 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.

Zim may have had every reason to believe his life was in danger. Were you there? So many people (not necessarily you) seem to have known George Zimmerman's state of mind--amazing how the Al Sharpton mob and media have so many people suddenly able to discern George Zimmerman's motives.

123 posted on 03/25/2012 2:30:48 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points.

Not even close. First of all the due process clause has nothing to do with self defense and second of all it isn't whether you believed Zimmermans life was in danger it is whether or not Zimmerman felt his life was in danger that renders the use of deadly force lawful. If and only if Zimmerman was not the aggressor physically.

129 posted on 03/25/2012 2:34:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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Here .. it's happy hour .. have another !


134 posted on 03/25/2012 2:36:47 PM PDT by tomkat ( .. shall NOT be abridged)
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What did either witness do to help their poor victim friend? Finally Zimmerman had to tell them to call the police.
147 posted on 03/25/2012 2:44:36 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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You have gone completely around the bend. "Due process clause?" Jeez...you need a rendezvous with Nurse Ratchet and the medication cart...
151 posted on 03/25/2012 2:48:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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You might want to look up what due process IS before making a statement like that. Time to buy a clue.


164 posted on 03/25/2012 2:53:25 PM PDT by EDINVA
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Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin

If Zimmerman did, he would have probably been nailed for tampering with evidence at a crime scene. Either by the police, or by the enemedia, the Sharptons and Jacksons and their pals.
173 posted on 03/25/2012 3:00:14 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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Define a “non-deadly” attack.

Any physical attack must be considered potentially deadly. If someone is willing to physically harm you, they are able to kill you in that attack.

If the reports of the punk attacking the shooter first are accurate, the punk got what he deserved. End of story. You roll your dice, you take your chances. If the kid didn’t attack first and Mr. Zimmerman was not harmed before shooting, then he’s committed murder. The evidence however suggests that he was attacked.

If the prosecutor tries the non deadly attack angle, he’s going to have his @ss handed to him in the court room.

Sorry but that kid picked the wrong target to hit. He paid for his mistake with his life. Get over it and move on.


184 posted on 03/25/2012 3:04:18 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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All sorts of humans kill all sorts of other humans. When they do it is not my fault. If some white person kills a black person or it is the other way around it is not the fault of all the other people that happen to have the same skin color.

This “story” is about two people. And two people only. The rest of us are not responsible for their actions. I certainly am not. And honestly I don’t care about these two people. I really don’t. The only thing I find mildly interesting is that the “story” is being spun such that it is being used to help get someone re-elected. Someone who has destroyed race relations in this country.


225 posted on 03/25/2012 3:42:01 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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"The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points."

Black guy has brown guy on the ground, is sitting on top of him, and beating him in the face. Brown guy suffers broken nose, severe lacerations (needing stitches) to the back of his head among other injuries. Sounds like a "deadly attack" to me. And NOT by the brown guy. Eyewitness testimony and physical evidence both support the brown guy.

282 posted on 03/25/2012 5:05:06 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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If I put two in your chest I’m more likely to put one more in your head than to give you CPR.....just sayin’


315 posted on 03/25/2012 5:42:24 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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Non-deadly force is a debatable term. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, punching him in the face, while Zimmerman as screaming for help. Are you telling me that Zimmerman should just have relaxed and taken the beating?


323 posted on 03/25/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by Eva
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"Time for all strong statesmen to stand up and say so fearlessly and without intent to score political points."

And time for trolling race-baiters to stop using MSLSD as a source to perpetuate a lynch-mob against a man whose only crime appears to have been defending himself against a politically incorrect perpetrator.

FOAD.

Hank

337 posted on 03/25/2012 6:21:44 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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You are Zimmerman, 28yrs old, on the ground, taking punches from an un-armed 17yr old, you are covering up your head to deflect the blows.

You know the cops are on the way.

Do you try to run away?

Do you try and fight back?

Or do you try to cover up and take the punches?

Do you really think you are going to be dead from your injuries by the time police arrive?

Oh your wondering why it all went so wrong? and your head and nose hurts so you pull your gun and shoot the guy you confronted?

You NOW think playing the victim and hope it will all go away just as easy as the young life you took away?

It will all go away just as easy as the son you took away from his mother and father?

You now know that they perceive you as being an armed man going out of his way to follow a stranger and whether or not you were aware of the potential for confrontations you must be held accountable for the outcome.

Now it is YOU they want. Anything else will make RodneyKing look like a picnic and it WE THE PEOPLE don't want to give them their Reichstag Fire moment that we cannot afford at this time.

358 posted on 03/25/2012 6:53:24 PM PDT by anglian
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“The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution. “

BS. According to you someone must take a beating that can render them disabled, disfigured, or possibly dead. If you don’t want to get dead don’t attack someone else.

There should be a constitutional clause that says lethal force may be applied any time a physical attack happens that is beyond petty assault. Petty assault being nothing more than a push, shove, or poke. If you don’t want to be killed kepp your cotton picking fingers off other people.


399 posted on 03/25/2012 8:07:49 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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While Zimmerman was guilty of piss poor judgment at best (following him into contact space) and manslaughter at worst, this here is incorrect:

The use of deadly force to repel a non-deadly attack violates the due process clause of the constitution.

This is nothing to do with the due process clause. George Zimmerman is not a state actor. He does not represent a governmental body, so the due process clause does not apply.

411 posted on 03/25/2012 8:20:32 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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This Oliver guy is about to be subjected to the same treatment as Clarence Thomas.


421 posted on 03/25/2012 8:28:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Did the “witness’ try to help?


525 posted on 03/25/2012 10:45:44 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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