Posted on 03/26/2012 4:55:06 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), or Obamacare, is off to the Supreme Court for a three-day marathon of oral arguments. Lawyers representing the federal government will attempt to prove the laws constitutionality; those representing private individuals, the National Federation of Independent Business, and most prominently, 26 states, will argue that PPACA violates the supreme law of the land.
The Court has allotted six hours for arguments, and while it doesnt seem like much time for such a contentious and crucial issue, bear in mind that the court typically grants a case just one hour. This is the most argument time given in 47 years.
So what questions will the Court answer? What will the lawyers argue? How might the Justices vote? I have a seat inside the courtroom for all six hours of arguments, so expect a full report on the proceedings, as well as a preview each morning of the question before the Court that day. For now, however, well take a general look at the schedule, the questions, and the basic arguments each side will make, in preparation for Obamacares big day in court.
MONDAY
Is the financial penalty for not complying with the individual mandate a tax?
When states and citizens first began to challenge the individual mandate in district courts, the federal governments initial defense was that the plaintiffs had no legal standing to sue until 2014, when the law has been fully implemented. They based their claim on the premise that the penalty for noncompliance with the individual mandate is a tax. Thanks to the Tax Anti-Injunction Act (AIA), an individual may not bring a lawsuit against the government to stop a tax from being collected; the individual must pay the tax in question, and then sue after-the-fact for a refund.
Essentially, the federal government argued that because the penalty is a tax, the plaintiffs had no standing to sue until after the tax had been assessed. The district court didnt find this compelling, and ruled against the feds. They dropped that defense, and therefore will not be arguing this point before the Court.
Instead, the Supreme Court has assigned a lawyer to argue that the mandate penalty is a tax. It may seem like a pointless endeavor to address this question if none of the parties take the yes view, but the argument is for the Courts benefit. If the Court holds that the penalty is a tax, then they dont have to issue a ruling on the individual mandate until 2014. This question provides them a way to escape ruling on the more controversial elements of the suit at least until a later date.
TUESDAY
Is the individual mandate an unconstitutional overreach of Congressional power?
This is the main event. The federal government will defend the hotly contested individual mandate against the states, the NFIB, and several individuals, who contend that Congress overstepped its power in passing the mandate.
Congress justified the individual mandate on the Commerce Clause, which grants Congress the right to regulate commerce among the several states. The states and private respondents argue that the individual mandate doesnt regulate commerce, it compels it: people who dont own health insurance arent engaging in commerce. If Congress, then, has the right to force people into the health insurance market, what cant they force people to buy?
The government, on the other hand, contends that healthcare is different, because at one point or another in our lives, all of us need it. Indeed, the uninsured either by choice or from poverty do have access to emergency healthcare thanks to the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA). Thats the law that requires hospitals to treat emergency patients, no matter whether or not they can pay. As a result of this, the government claims, taxpayers are on the hook for $43 billion, and families health insurance premiums are $1000 more expensive than they ought to be. Thus, they argue, not purchasing health insurance substantially affects interstate commerce, and Congress was well within its rights under the commerce clause to enact the individual mandate.
Ill provide a more in-depth look at this contentious and complex issue on Tuesday morning, as these are the barest of essentials. Its worth noting again, however, that the Court may not even make a decision on the issue this year. If they take a deferential approach to their power by ruling that the penalty is a tax (and some scholars believe they will), then the law will be implemented and this question will come before the Court again, likely in 2015.
WEDNESDAY
Morning: Severability: What parts, if any, of the law may remain if the individual mandate is unconstitutional?
Typically, a major, massive law like the PPACA would have a severability clause: a line that says, even if part x of the law goes down, everything else may remain law. Such a clause is often used in laws that might contain one contentious bit, thereby preventing the whole law from being struck down with it. The individual mandate is a prime example of an element of a law that might warrant a severability clause; however, no such clause was written into the PPACA. Speculation abounds about why: some argue that it was an oversight on Congress part, but the prevailing opinion is that the individual mandate isnt really severable. Congress didnt intend for the whole law to remain if the mandate werent there; in fact, the mandate is what allowed some of the most sweeping health insurance reforms to work.
As with the AIA question, the Court has assigned a lawyer to argue the position that the mandate is severable, i.e., that the rest of the law may stand. The states and private respondents believe the entire law ought to be struck down. The federal government takes a middling position here, arguing that parts of the law may stand, but that provisions relying on the individual mandate should not. They acknowledge there are dire financial consequences for the country, should certain parts of the law stand (most glaringly, guaranteed issue and pre-existing conditions clauses). But the rest of the law, they maintain, ought to remain intact.
The Court will likely take a very conservative approach to severability theyre wary of overstepping their power where the legislature is concerned, and are unlikely to strike down the law in its entirety. Of course, this question is secondary; first, the Court has to rule that the mandate is unconstitutional, and theres no guarantee theyll rule thusly.
Afternoon: Is the Medicaid expansion an unconstitutional coercion of the states?
A key element of the PPACAs goal of increasing access to insurance is the expansion of the Medicaid program. The law broadened eligibility requirements, allowing more people to qualify for enrollment in Medicaid, and thanks to the individual mandate, requires anyone eligible to either seek private insurance or take the government up on its offer.
Medicaid is a voluntary program. States dont have to participate, but all of them do; after all, federal money is helpful when considering the cost of healthcare for the poor. Surely, the states couldnt support that by themselves; not, at least, without raising taxes astronomically on a citizenry already burdened with federal taxes, too. And its a common practice for the federal government to attach stipulations to funding for the states; for example, states set speed limits in compliance with a federal maximum (75 miles per hour), and in return, they receive highway funding.
However, the states argue that the expansion of Medicaid is unconstitutional coercion. The federal government has decreed that it will cover the full cost of the expansion until 2020, at which point the states must cover 10% of the cost. Furthermore, says the government, the states must comply with the expansion, or they will lose all Medicaid funding both for the new enrollees and those already participating.
The states argue that essentially, they have no choice between two options: comply, and slowly go bankrupt from their involuntarily undertaken Medicaid expansion, or dont comply, and go bankrupt almost immediately. The federal government, on the other hand, says that the states are exaggerating the increased cost, and that the federal government will cover almost all of it anyway. Furthermore, they argue that the federal government has a right to dictate the terms on which it apportions money to the states, and therefore the new strings attached to Medicaid funding are perfectly constitutional.
The Court has, in the past, addressed this issue of coercion and Ill cover this more in-depth on Wednesday morning but the states could have a case here, based on a ruling in which the Court stated that there are limits to the stipulations the federal government may place on funding. This question will test whether the coercion test has any legs.
So there you have it: even the general, bare-bones overview of the case is long and complicated. Besides, Ill have even more detailed coverage of the individual questions each morning, as well as a full report on each days oral arguments. I must say, its hard to believe that the government was initially dismissive of the suits taken against it; clearly, this case is anything but frivolous.
0bama0care will be declared constitutional.
You state this as if it were a fact, not just your fear.
Another worthless opinion.
> Another worthless opinion.
I’m entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours.
>> 0bama0care will be declared constitutional.
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> You state this as if it were a fact, not just your fear.
As you pointed out, this is my opinion. It has nothing to do with fear, but with my perceptions and assessments. Your response was unnecessarily insulting and condescending. Says more about you than it does about me.
LOL! Now THAT was funny!
But really, from what I’m seeing in the press and from the 0bamabots, it isn’t just negative waves.
Neither did income taxes.
Social Security never went away, either.
Neither did deductions from your paycheck, which FDR promised was just a war-time necessity that would be rolled back.
That’s what progressivism is. It’s the dialectic. It’s thesis-antithesis-synthesis, ever encroaching more and more.
Negative wave warning ...
Even if 0bama0care is knocked off by the SCOTUS, the progressives will be back. They are relentless. They will try again. They will stack the court. They will eventually get their way.
Right now, the progressives have the mob behind them. They have the wind at their backs. They have a long history, a long chain of successes. Yes, a few setbacks here and there along the way, but they continue to make progress.
Can you believe that NH, VT, MA, CT, NY all allow “gay” marriage? The very concept is illogical and irrational and reduces marriage to little more than a legal contract between any two parties. How can these states retain their laws against polygamy, polyamory, incest, pedophilia? What justification can they now have? But those are also items on the progressive agenda, so they will come to pass.
goo
The best hope we have is to create an informed majority to turn this ship around. We seem to have made a little bit of progress in that area, but the commies are getting aggressive about silencing us and marginalizing us.
I don’t know what it’s going to take. But I just don’t see any turns in our direction, at least none that are foreseeable.
All we conservatives seem to be able to do is slow down the progression to totalitarian collectivism. We just haven’t been able to reverse it. At this point, I don’t think we can.
I would love to see some good reasons for optimism. Maybe living up here in the Northeast makes that nearly impossible, being surrounded as I am by people with no moral compass and apparently no common sense.
I present the Four Horseman of the Non-Apocalypse ....
The legal foundation of this "pass it so you can find out what's in it" appalling attack on American liberty is made of sand. Even Justice Kennedy will get that.
AND (psst) ...... they're on a roll ......
Obama suffers his second 9 - 0 Supreme Court defeat in two months.
1. Is the financial penalty for not complying with the individual mandate a tax?
Essentially, the federal government argued that because the penalty is a tax, the plaintiffs had no standing to sue until after the tax had been assessed. The district court didnt find this compelling, and ruled against the feds.
THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY.
DOESN’T MATTER THAT THE DISTRICT COURT RULED AGAINST THE FEDS. IN FACT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF PENALTY AS TAX IS IRRELEVANT; A SIDESHOW.
AND WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA’S LAWYERS STOOD DOWN ABOUT IT? ANSWER: THEY DID NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATION (EXPLAINED HERE BELOW), NOT NOW ANYWAYS.
2. Is the individual mandate an unconstitutional overreach of Congressional power?
This is the main event.
NO, IT IS NOT THE MAIN EVENT BUT MANY EYES HAVE BEEN DIVERTED TO IT. THE MAIN EVENT IS AN ATTACK FROM THE REAR THAT MOST OF YOU ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF (EXPLAINED LATER IN THIS POST).
THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY.
THE ANSWER IS YES, OF COURSE IT IS AN OVERREACH. BUT TO PLACATE AND PACIFY CONSERVATIVES AND PEOPLE ‘POLLS’, SCOTUS WILL THROW THE DOG A BONE AND STRIKE IT DOWN BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE OUTCOME WHICH WILL BE A DEFEAT OF THE RIGHT WING.
3. Severability: What parts, if any, of the law may remain if the individual mandate is unconstitutional?
THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL ‘PART’ (NOT THE WHOLE) OF THE GAME WINNING (FOR OBAMA) PLAY.
SO THIS IS PARTIAL GAME PLAY. READ ON:
Typically, a major, massive law like the PPACA would have a severability clause: a line that says, even if part x of the law goes down, everything else may remain law. Such a clause is often used in laws that might contain one contentious bit, thereby preventing the whole law from being struck down with it. The individual mandate is a prime example of an element of a law that might warrant a severability clause; however, no such clause was written into the PPACA.
SEVERABILITY WAS NOT WRITTEN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD SHOW THAT THE LEFTISTS WHO BACKED THIS LEGISLATION WANTED SOMETHING ELSE TO BE LEFT STANDING. WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO FOOL PEOPLE, TRYING TO KEEP SOMETHING UNDER COVER, YOU DON’T PUT OUT A RED FLAG THAT SAYS IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE BACK THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY I’VE TAKEN, I MAY CEDE IT BACK TO YOU BUT I WANT THE OTHER GOODIES THAT I HAVE ALSO TAKEN FROM YOU.
THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE REALLY, THEY WANT SOMETHING MORE AND SLID IT RIGHT PAST YOU IN THEIR 900+ PAGE LEGISLATIVE BOWEL MOVEMENT CALLED THE PPACA.
THEY KNEW FROM THE FDR 1935 PLAYBOOK THAT OBAMACARE WOULD LAND IN THE SCOTUS. THEY ANTIPCIPATED THIS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR WITHOUT ANYONE CATCHING ON TO WHAT THEY’RE REALLY AFTER IS A CONFIRMATION THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY REALLY IS THE ‘STUPID PARTY’ AND IN THE CASE OF THE GOP-E, THE COMPLICIT SUBSIDIARY.
SO THE DEMS LEFT SEVERABILITY OUT AND ANNOUNCED IN THE PRESS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE IS ESSENTIAL TO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATION. THIS WAS A LIE. REPEAT THIS WAS A LIE (EXPLAINED BELOW).
As with the AIA question, the Court has assigned a lawyer to argue the position that the mandate is severable, i.e., that the rest of the law may stand.
THIS IS THE GAME PLAY, THE PLAY THAT DETERMINES THE WINNER.
NOTICE THAT THE SCOTUS IS SETTING THE STAGE TO GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHAT IT REALLY WANTS.
NOW THINK SHARP.....THERE IS SOMETHING THE LEFTISTS WANT BADLY FOR SCOTUS TO LET STAND....WHAT COULD IT BE?
WHEN YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS WHOLE FIGHT AND THE ANSWER WILL BE CLEAR AS SUNSHINE, SOMETHING YOU HAVE KNOWN ABOUT LEFTISTS FROM THE MOMENT YOU KNEW THEY WERE DECEIVERS.
The federal government takes a middling position here, arguing that parts of the law may stand, but that provisions relying on the individual mandate should not. They acknowledge there are dire financial consequences for the country, should certain parts of the law stand (most glaringly, guaranteed issue and pre-existing conditions clauses). But the rest of the law, they maintain, ought to remain intact.
YES, AS I WROTE ABOVE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS THE REST OF THE LAW TO REMAIN INTACT. READ ON:
The Court will likely take a very conservative approach to severability theyre wary of overstepping their power where the legislature is concerned, and are unlikely to strike down the law in its entirety.
THIS IS THE MONEY STATEMENT. “UNLIKELY TO STRIKE DOWN THE LAW IN ITS ENTIRETY”, THIS IS THE GAME PLAY.
REMEMBER WHEN ROMNEY SAID HE WOULD REPEAL ‘PARTS’ OF OBAMACARE AND LET THE GOOD PARTS STAND?
4. Is the Medicaid expansion an unconstitutional coercion of the states?
THIS IS NOT THE GAME PLAY. IT IS A SIDESHOW, A DIVERSION FOR NOW.
IN FACT THE LEFT DOESN’T CARE ANYMORE ABOUT THIS PLAY ANY MORE THAN IT CARES ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.
MY REVELATION TO YOU:
THE MAIN THING THAT THE LEFTISTS WANT STANDING IS FOUND UNDER TITLE IX
http://burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/hr3590_health_care_law_2010.pdf
THEY WANT TAXES, PURE AND SIMPLE.
IF THEY HAD PRESENTED INITIALLY UPFRONT WHAT THEY TRULY WANTED, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE HAD A SNOWBALL’S CHANCE IN HELL OF GETTING PASSAGE.
SO WHILE THE STUPID PARTY ARGUES ABOUT THE ‘PENALTY’ AS A ‘TAX’, THERE ARE IN FACT REAL TAXES, NOT PENALTIES, THAT ARE THERE IN TITLE IX AND THEY WANT THOSE LEFT STANDING.
IN FACT THEY ALWAYS WANTED THESE TAXES, BECAUSE TAXES ARE THE POWER THEY CRAVE. AND OF COURSE REAL TAXES ARE ALWAYS BACKED BY PENALTIES FOR FAILURE TO PAY.
NOW THINK FOR A MOMENT YOU ARE A LEFTIST. YOUR FOCUS IS TO RULE THE CAPITAL. PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF CAPITAL IS JUST A MINOR INCONVENIENCE. SO WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU TAX IT. THAT’S HOW YOU WIN THE GAME OF CONTROL.
CONTINUE THINKING AS A LEFTIST.....HOW DO YOU PRESENT THE TAX ARGUMENT AND HOW DO YOU WRITE IT? YOU PRESENT IT BURIED IN A LARGE DOCUMENT THAT HAS ALL KINDS OF LEGAL DIVERSIONS AND GOOD SOCIAL INTENTIONS.
LET ME PUT IT TO YOU STRAIGHT AND CRUDELY....THE LEFTISTS DON’T GIVE TWO FARTS FOR HEALTHCARE OTHER THAN AS A ‘GOOD INTENTION’ RALLYING CRY ON PAR WITH “IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN”. THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THAT AS MUCH AS THEY CARE ABOUT TAXES.
HOW TO WRITE IT?
1) TAX THE PRIVATE HEALTHPLANS UNTIL EITHER:
A) THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS OR
B) THEY BUCKLE UNDER OR
C) BOTH A AND B.
2) TAX INCOMES OF 200,000 OR MORE AND WAIT FOR INFLATION TO PUSH PEOPLE’S INCOMES INTO THE TARGET ZONE.
NOW SIT BACK AND PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK. YOU JUST DID A FAR GREATER JOB THAN YOUR GLOBAL WARMING COMRADES.
YOU HAVE ADVANCED THE LEFT’S AGENDA CONSIDERABLY AND IN JUST A FEW DECADES TOTAL CONTROL WILL BE AT HAND. THE LEFT SHALL RULE THE WORLD.
YOU ARE TRULY A GENIUS, AN EVIL GENIUS.
"After the election we will have more flexibility".
Flexibility to do ?
Everything he has done so far has been anti-american, I don't see that changing if he is reelected.
bmfl. wow.
> I present the Four Horseman of the Non-Apocalypse ....
I *LOVE* it!!
With all my heart, I hope and PRAY that you are right!
It was insulting and condescending, but necessary and intended.
You, and many like you, post too much opinion that you state outright as fact.
When I point it out you take umbrage.
Tough and I really don't care what you think {your opinion} about me.
You can jump up and down, hold your breath until you turn blue, respond or not, I don't care.
> You, and many like you, post too much opinion that you
> state outright as fact.
Indeed, we’ll all sleep better knowing that you are the self-appointed opinion watchdog.
How delightful.
> Tough and I really don’t care what you think {your
> opinion} about me.
>
> You can jump up and down, hold your breath until you turn
> blue, respond or not, I don’t care.
It appears that you are the one throwing the temper tantrum.
FReeregards. We have the same prayer.
Well, Judge Vinson in Florida vacated the entire law. He showed no concern for all you described.
Thank you very much.
America
Ever wonder why Obama actually wants this litigated before the election?
1) If ObamaCare is overturned it will ensure that 100% of the freebie wantin’ liberals show up to vote for thier goodies and relect obama who will replace a few more justices before his 2nd term is over.
2) If Obama wins it will be of the upmost important to show up and vote for your freebies so the evil GOP cannot repeal it.
If the Congress exempts all fed workers, and they have done that, then everyone else is exempt too,,,case closed.
“...the individual mandate doesnt regulate commerce, it compels it: people who dont own health insurance arent engaging in commerce. If Congress, then, has the right to force people into the health insurance market, what cant they force people to buy?”
I won’t be forced to buy a d@mn thing. Guaranteed. Come and get me.
Not really the great revelation you’re making it out to be. Everyone knows the law removes the tax exemption for employer plans. That’s just not discussed much because it’s not an issue for the courts. It’s constitutional.
Everyone ought to remember too that Obama argued against the individual mandate in the primary and wanted single payer socialized medicine. The mandate only got put in in order to satisfy Blue Dog Democrats. Obama won’t mind it being repealed as it rules that out as an option and gives every Democrat the cover to vote for single payer next time they have enough of a majority to pass a new health care law. Now maybe people are beginning to understand why the individual mandate was the conservative option for stopping single payer. It was the middle ground that pulled the Blue Dogs away from single payer. Once it’s struck down, it’s just a matter of time before Dems are in power again and pass the new single payer Democare. And they’ll certainly be trying to muck up health care in the meantime and keep it as inefficient and expensive as possible to keep the public demand for “hope and change” high.
By playing his hand prematurely, Bobo got the Blue Dogs impounded and it'll easily be a decade before single-payer can come around again...As Bobo's full house is about to set to a straight flush...
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