Skip to comments.Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
Posted on 03/26/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by maggief
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Supposedly, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend up to the point where the confrontation occurred. She reportedly said words were exchanged with somebody just before the call dropped, at 1912. The police arrived on scene at 1917, by which time the incident was over, and Martin was already dead.
There's a problem with 1912, however. Zimmerman was still on the phone with the police. His call didn't end until about 191340, and the fight started sometime after that.
So, something is not right. Either the girlfriend is lying, the 1912 time is misreported, or either the cell company's clock or the police's clock was wrong. Cell companies are quite persnickety about keeping their computer clocks accurate to the millisecond. I would hope the Sanford PD keeps theirs accurate to at least the second.
I'd like to see it all laid out for posterity. But, given what we know now, I can't see how a fair jury could convict Zimmerman of anything.
Tampa Bay Times Sunday edition (on line) wrote a long article about the makeup and situation at the Twin Retreats. It was affected by the real estate bust. If you read this keep in mind they’re a liberal paper. Just sayin’. I’m watching a press conference locally and nobody’s talking about taking this to the streets. Al’s collecting 100 dollar bills left and right. All the race pimps are in Florida. They are not front and center though. Thank God they’re just pimpin’. The real work will be done by the DA from Jax.
“Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot.”
Is that criminal?
Rick Santorum could not be reached for comment. lol
Thank you. That’s what I suspected.
The criminal court judge is the trier of fact along with a jury.
Sanford police have relatives who have beaten up black kids. Google that. Sanford police chief is now a black guy which was a good way to earn back some trust in the community.
Only wanted to clear up if it was a law or policy that watch group participants were unarmed.
Zimmerman acted stupidly and he wasnt even DC police. For that, he should be charged with somethin somethin.
Charged with what? Acting stupidly?
Zimmerman had his own domestic violence records. I’m hearing both sides of this. The DA will have her hands full.
“maybe Trayvon saw the gun”
I’m not on the board right now but I’d bet my bottom dollar that if our HOA liability insurance company knew our crime watch volunteer was armed, our premium would go up or they would demand the volunteer not carry while performing duties as a volunteer. Our premiums at the HOA are high enogh as it is without having to cover a volunteer walking around armed.
Yes. But all evidence needs to come out.
And the image of Trayvon the Happy Skippy Skittleboy crap has been shot to hell.
Truth is a tough thing to accept sometimes...
Yeah, but Z followed Martin, and looked at him...Doesn't that justify beating someones face in?
No, I was comparing an unruly guest creating a ruckus at a condominium swimming pool with an unruly guest allowing his dogs to run unleashed in a condominium common use area.
I was making the point that those who break condominium rules can be held accountable by the homeowner's association because unit owners are completely responsible for the behavior of their guests.
The media has been so incredibly irresponsible in the way they have reported this entire thing!
I am on the board of our HOA and we get around this problem by just not having an official "watch group".
If anyone strange to the neighborhood comes around, I or one of several neighbors will be out at soon as we notice to greet them and welcome them to our neighborhood.
I'm sure this is done while being armed often. We are not in any way acting as part of an association, just men doing what men are supposed to do to keep neighborhoods safe.
This is why Gov. Rick Scott picked a top notch DA from Jacksonville. There is a lot to sort out. Zimmerman’s gotten a pass so far. I wonder how Casey Anthony’s doing. Florida’s either tazing people to death and people who harm children get away with it. At least the theme parks and the beaches are just swell!
Norm, we dont always agree but Zim was in pursuit and he did say on that one tape to police: They always get away.
Maybe he wanted to maintain visual contact?
I believe Zim was in a state of mind where he was tired of them getting away and this time, it wasnt gonna happen on his watch.
The intent was not initially to shoot Trayvon but if someone carries, they need to carry responsibly which Zim failed to do.
Does carrying your weapon responsibly include keeping it holstered while you’re being attacked?
Crime Watch volunteers are NOT supposed to carry a weapon.
So if you have a permit to carry you’re not allowed to be in the neighbourhood watch?
They are supposed to call the cops who have tazers which are killin their own share of Floridians I might add.
This speaks volumes about your views in general.
Do you have any proof Zimmerman acted criminally? Then shut yer yap.
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Can I be honest?
Blacks are known for this, and in fact they have it on multiple video, of blacks just brutally sucker punching innocent people, as they walk by. Seem it many times.
What some don't realize, but people die everyday, due to blows to the head.
Zimmerman is Catholic. About George (new window)
Talking and listening seems best. At night, there are some cops who live here. That helps somewhat. We have lots of residents who have firearms because they have murdered relatives or were almost shot themselves someplace else. I'm talking white and black who were victims before.
Corrections: Not 911 operator, dispatcher...and he never indicated to the dispatcher that he was returning to his truck. That part is supposedly in his statement to police after the shooting.
Many posters are speaking as if "stand your ground" laws are essential to claims of self-defense. That is not true.
Self-defense laws, even if not explicitly passed by a legislature, are part of common law. Some states have enacted statutes which institute a "duty to retreat". I'm not sure whether there is a basis for such a thing in common law or not.
The description by Zimmerman includes his intention to retreat. It would be the prosecution's burden to prove that he did not retreat in order to rule out self-defense.
If Zimmerman did retreat, then there wouldn't be any aspect of "stand your ground" that is relevant. In retreating, Zimmerman is not standing his ground, but giving ground. If Martin closed with Zimmerman in order to fight him, then Martin is guilty of assault, even if Zimmerman had previously assaulted Martin.
It's conceivable that both parties committed felonious assault while still being consistent with a legitimate use of self-defense by Zimmerman.
I would like to know if the following also actually including a confrontation, a sharing of words.. stalking is a crime there,, I think.. This is maybe more overzealous policing perhaps.
There’s a lot more to stalking than what apparently happened. Everyone needs to stop the “stalking” baloney.
Overzealousness isn’t a crime.
I dunno. Maybe they were an assault hoodie and select-fire skittles.
This is a FORUM. Shut your yap is kind of a personal attack but I won’t report abuse. Everyone here is speculating the hell out of this. If you are not in Florida, maybe you aren’t getting the full coverage I am. They have been reporting on what crime stoppers and crime watch groups do and don’t do. I’m glad I don’t live there. The HOA fees are going to go through the roof when the civil suit is settled. A killing for whatever reason by a volunteer who was authorized by the Board of Directors sounds like cha ching in a civil suit to me. They’ll settle out of court and there will be more empty units for Zim to peek into. Tampa Bay Times - Sunday edition Twin Retreats report.
Totally agree, simply walking up to a strange face in the neighborhood and welcoming them (letting them know you are watching) is a great deterrent for crimes of opportunity.
Is SYG Zimmerman’s defense? As I understand it his defense will be straight up self defense. Stop trying to knock down straw men.
Oh yeah, why don’t you list what he was charged with and the circumstances of the event that resulted in those charges.
“Florida is not a racist state - too many transplants live here who were never racist.”
Is that because they come from up North, not the South?
all some of us want is to let a grand jury decide,, it can send a message to legislators and criminals alike.. and people in hoodies.
let the process grind it thru its gears.
anyone exploiting the situation to do otherwise should be embarassed.
You are too obsessed with race and too willing to make-it-up-as-you-go for me to take you seriously.
WTF are you doing on this particular forum, lost or trolling?
Zimmermans lawyer has made a statement that this isnt a stand your ground case.
Except there is no evidence that Zimmerman ever tried to prevent anybody from going about their business.
Absolutely. All I’m saying is that the evidence to date supports Zimmerman’s story, and there is no burden on him to show he’s innocent of wrongdoing. This man is getting death threats, there are bounties out on his head, and there are elected officials and other people basically convicting a guy that hasn’t even been charged with anything. It’s disgraceful.
And just because the media lies, doesn't mean that we have to help them. Claiming he's Jewish when he isn't doesn't add anything to the discussion.
I apologize for the personal attack. It’s very frustrating seeing people (not you) going from thread to thread repeating the exact same nonsense that they have been shown is nonsense. Basically trolling threads trying to make stick whatever they can.
Stalking is a serious crime involving repeated non-stop longterm harrassment...restraining orders, police protection, etc.
VERY far from a 2-minutes-tops from-a-distance observation of a random stranger in YOUR neighborhood.
My God, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
many murders are being committed by 17 year old black youths that may look like Obamas son.
Got one right here...
13 year old black girl in critical condition in hospital...
Perp a 17 year old black gangbanger...
During the day at a block party...
I’m not sure why the gold teeth matter, but at least we have a real and current photo. Folks this weekend were posting photos that didn’t even look like Martin.
POLITICS-NEPOTISM: So why did Zimmerman get this special consideration and treatment that I know any other typical citizen would not get in the same situation? Why? What is so special or unique about Zimmerman that gave him this gracious by the cops to not be detained or arrested until further investigation to protect the public?
Because the cops knew him because he had trained with the sheriffs office wanting to be one.
And, most importantly, Zimmermans father is a retired magistrate judge. Ahhhhh .now I have the answer to that question as to why Zimmerman was treated differently in this situation than just the average citizen in the same position.
So with that preferential treatment toward Zimmerman now flavoring the investigation and prosecution of his guilty murdering *** it is only natural that black people now play the race card and insinuate a hate crime flavor to counter the injustice of Zimmermans preferential treatment by the police.
All Zimmerman had to do was keep his distance and observe. The kid would have made it to his fathers door to watch the rest of the game and live the rest of his young life. end of copy
My words: ZIMMERMAN'S DAD WAS A U.S. MAGISTRATE JUDGE. Do you know how much power judges have in Florida?????
Let's see where this case leads. The DA will know everything and come up with the truth we can all hope.
Zimmerman’s dad was a US Magistrate. Enough said.
Zimmerman’s dad was a U.S. Magistrate. Enough said.
I’m not obsessed with race. Too many freepers are hating on a minor who was shot to death (reason or cause to be determined). Zimmerman’s dad was a retired US Magistrate. The Sanford police were tight w/his honor. Can’t arrest his honor’s goofy kid.