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To: Kaslin

If Obamacare is unconstitutional, then what of Medicare?


4 posted on 03/27/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

No Purchase is forced in Medicare, part B is optional, Federal Retiree’s and any one keeping their Major Medical have Medicare as a secondary.


12 posted on 03/27/2012 1:35:28 PM PDT by swamprebel (Where liberty dwells, there is my country.)
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To: GeronL
If Obamacare is unconstitutional, then what of Medicare?

Medicare in know way resembles Obamacare. Medicare is not mandatory. Seniors can either use it or not. When a Senior retires he/she is presented with the option to either pay for medicare or not to pay for it. Many Seniors, those with money, choose not to do so. Under Bozocare no one has a choice. You MUST buy insurance. The US government has no authority to require us to buy anything.

27 posted on 03/27/2012 1:54:45 PM PDT by calex59
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To: GeronL

” If Obamacare is unconstitutional, then what of Medicare? “

Of course you’re right. It is all unconstitutional, but these programs were meant to buy the votes for socialism.

These entitlements and elections they won have given them the time necessary to build the public school system into a manufacturer of more little socialist thinkers from the grades up through academia.

The job has been done rather nicely, and we cooperate as useful idiots by trundling our children off to these schools every morning at 7:30 AM, with abandon.

Until this is reversed we are looking at another generation of the same and more.


37 posted on 03/27/2012 2:08:43 PM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: GeronL

It is too and no one has ever challenged it.Welfare and all of the other social programs IMHO are too.The constitution does not allow the federal government the power it has taken over the years.That power is supposed to be left to the states and the people.


62 posted on 03/27/2012 2:59:37 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: GeronL
If Obamacare is unconstitutional, then what of Medicare?

That is the real blackmail the Left counted on to bring the Supreme Court along when they passed Obamacare. Too many applecarts would be upset, and that is the argument that will swing "rusty gate" Kennedy, Kennedy of Lawrence vs. Texas, swinging their way again.

As long as we have a Supreme Court, we have a government of men, not a government of laws -- that is the damage John Marshall did.

85 posted on 03/27/2012 4:30:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: GeronL

Medicare is an expression of the federal government’s powers to tax and spend — powers which may have Constitutional limits, but none have been found by any court. No one is forced to do anything under Medicare besides pay those taxes.

With 51 votes in the Senate and 318 in the House, Obama could expand Medicare to everyone in the country with nothing the Supreme Court could have said about it. Obama didn’t have the votes, and Obamacare was the dodge.


118 posted on 03/27/2012 6:34:41 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: GeronL

Its a tax - everyone pays it (FICA tax).
Ironically, the users of Medicare often pay no FICA tax because they are retired.

And you can buy and sell private insurance even if you qualify for Medicare.

But I do think Medicare is over-reaching that should be unconstitutional.


126 posted on 03/27/2012 7:45:41 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: GeronL

Medicare is a tax. The benefits can be taken away by the Federal government at any time. Same with SS. Both were sold as insurance plans, but the legislation was carefully crafted as a tax in each case.


128 posted on 03/27/2012 7:49:37 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: GeronL

LOL you pay for medicare your entire working life silly...


186 posted on 03/28/2012 9:28:17 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Obama reelection means the end of America.)
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To: GeronL

At some point it becomes a matter of interpretation but in my view the vast majority of federal action violates the constitution. I also don’t believe in unlimited amendment power. If the states approved an amendment saying that all babies with type AB negative blood must be aborted would that be constitutional just because the amendment passed? Not in my view. If the supreme court approves the Obamanation now being considered then there is really no point in having a constitution or a supreme court because a positive reading basically means anything goes, there are no limits. We have come close to that point already, before this matter had even come up for review.

It is plain to see that we have supreme court judges now who have ZERO intention of abiding by the document they swore to uphold, in some cases they don’t seem to be capable of even understanding the matter.


215 posted on 04/03/2012 6:10:04 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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