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'Relocating' children - Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds
The American Thinker ^ | March 29, 2012 | Jason McNew

Posted on 03/29/2012 5:12:23 AM PDT by Gennie

'Relocating' children

March 29, 2012

It's 11AM. Do you know where your children are? Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds without parental consent or knowledge.

Jason McNew

Recently, there has been a disturbing nation-wide trend of parental rights being trampled upon by public school officials, from bag-lunch inspections to electronic bracelets being used to spy on overweight kids. This week brings another example of complete disregard for parental rights, this time from Grove High School in Delaware County, Oklahoma.

Grove High School transported 699 kids away from school property without first notifying parents of their intent to do so, nor obtaining the parents consent. Parents were only told, by way of this nondescript robo-call, that there would be a "drill":

"This call is to inform you that Grove Public Schools will be conducting an emergency exercise on Tuesday, March 27, 2012. The drill's purpose is to extend the school's preparedness in the event of a real emergency. Please be aware, this is only a drill. Thanks and have a good evening."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arth; children; education; homeschool; homeschooling; oklahoma; onlinelearning; schools
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To: W. W. SMITH

Because after they go to public school, their authority becomes their teacher and their peer group. A homeschooled child’s peer group is usually their family.


81 posted on 03/29/2012 10:12:50 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

>>People cringe when I tell them I have teenage girls. But they couldn’t be easier to deal with or more fun to hang around with.<<

Phew, I thought it was just me.
We do things together, we do things apart but when we are together, it’s so much fun I’m amazed that others don’t enjoy their teens.


82 posted on 03/29/2012 10:14:10 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: W. W. SMITH
Just this morning my daughter was informed, after indicating she was going to home school her son, that she had to have a four year degree first. She was told it was state law, high school diploma to teach K-6th, Baccalaureate to teach 7th - 12th.

She ought to contact HSLDA to find out the requirements for homeschooling that exist in each state. I don't know the particular requirements of her state, but they will, and will also help parents deal with over-reaching school officials. I could be wrong, but in my knowledge of the various state laws, I don't think there are any with that kind of educational background required for parents. I do know from reading their website that school officials very often tell parents requirements that aren't actually the law. HSLDA then sends letters to the school district.THey have a web-site & number online.

83 posted on 03/29/2012 10:14:53 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: W. W. SMITH

In some states that’s how it is. That’s why their are umbrella schools, you sign up with them and use their levels of education and home educate your own children. Gateway is one in Memphis, TN. I used to live there and used them. They do testing and keep your grades for you.


84 posted on 03/29/2012 10:15:45 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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To: Nifster
Just out of curiosity, what was the highest level of mathematics that you ever took and passed?

My mother barely got past high school geometry. She had me in calculus before I started at the community college, and I ended up with a minor in mathematics.

Homeschooled parents can teach anything they want, if they're motivated.

85 posted on 03/29/2012 10:21:02 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Nifster
I merely note that laboratory facilities for chemostry lab and ohysics lab and higher level mathematics classes are usually beyond the perview of most parents.
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Please, please, please, educate yourself about homeschooling before posting any more comments like the one above. Please visit a homeschool parents meeting near you.

The only labs that our children had were the **kitchen table**...yet....

My three homeschoolers were accepted to college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all general college courses and Calculus III before the age 15. The two younger earned B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age of 18. The older of these two earned a masters in math by the age of 20. The oldest homeschooler recently graduated with a masters in accounting but chose to combine part-time college with work, travel, and reaching the national and international levels in his sport. He represented the U.S. in many countries around the world. Due to his work experiences he is completely fluent in Russian.

86 posted on 03/29/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: W. W. SMITH

What state is she in? Check out something like HSLDA’s website and read the laws. Growing up in Pennsylvania with their oppressive laws I know my mother was told a lot of lies about what the law did and did not require. Only by knowing it inside and out could she avoid trouble.

If that - utter nonsense - is true, does her husband have a degree and can cover legally?

I really don’t think this is right...


87 posted on 03/29/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Nifster
I merely note that laboratory facilities for chemostry lab and ohysics lab and higher level mathematics classes are usually beyond the perview of most parents.
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Successful homeschooling parents and adult who were homeschooled will tell you that the above is complete nonsense!

The evidence is now becoming overwhelming. The **best** way to rear and educate a child to successful adulthood is **homeschooling**!

Will some children need institutionalization for their education? Sadly, yes. It is too bad. We need orphanages, too, but no one is claiming they are the best way to rear a child.

88 posted on 03/29/2012 10:31:01 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Pollster1; Nifster
Where did you learn that training in a foreign languages is important, and that the inculcation of morality is relatively unimportant? (Yes, that’s what you said, in so many words.)
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The above is an astute observation!

Yes, indeed! Where did Pollster learn that languages were important but values are relatively unimportant in a child's formal education? Where did Nifster learn that it was somehow impossible to learn science without fancy labs, or that parents could not direct higher level mathematics without achieving that level themselves?

Somewhere Pollster wrongly picked up the idea that government schooling doesn't teach values. NONSENSE! It is impossible to have a culturally, religiously, and politically neutral education. That means **values**. Government schooling is utterly godless in its worldview and that means that the curriculum and policies of government schools have plenty of non-neutral cultural, political, and religious content and consequences.

89 posted on 03/29/2012 11:02:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Gennie; All

I dunno what all the fuss is about.../sarc

The children probably learned more that day on the road than in the school in the first place...

Of course the district, and those who planned this event were doing so by higher authority to test how far and what the reaction would be for them to take this this far...

Wonder how much it cost the disctrict in gas money and extra time for the buss drivers and staff to stupervise the children...

“YOU SPENT HOW MUCH???”

I wonder if anyone (in that community) has the courage to ask the district that question???

Be good to know...


90 posted on 03/29/2012 11:59:05 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Gennie

fer later


91 posted on 03/29/2012 12:01:37 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: USMCWife6869; All

All kidding aside...

This “drill” is designed to absolutely stop private citizens from executing their “bug outs” when and if “something” occurs to warrant that family to execute that plan...

Those responsible for shaking things up around the country are doing this for exactly that purpose...While you try to gather your flock, and some are not available for the bug out, because they bussed them off to somewhere...You are certainly going to be crippled, if you have a set plan qand a place to go to get away from urban or populated strife...

You won’t leave your kids, therefore they got you locked down before you have a chance to leave, to be subjugated to their immediate authority, and freedom to move if you so desire...

The school districts are useful idiots in all of this, and when you delve deeper into this and find out what is really driving this trend...The more enlightened you will be...


92 posted on 03/29/2012 12:13:24 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

Good question...


93 posted on 03/29/2012 12:13:54 PM PDT by Gennie
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To: stevie_d_64

That is a very good point, because from what I understand, in these scenarios nobody knows where the “safe spot” is until after the “threat has passed”. Not even the parents. I am suprised that more people aren’t alarmed that they are doing this for a planned drill, this was not even a real emergency but something planned that they did with no permission and did not make parents aware as to what the drill would entail.


94 posted on 03/29/2012 12:17:48 PM PDT by Gennie
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To: Pollster1

Where do we find these, “good public schools?”


95 posted on 03/29/2012 12:26:54 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: netmilsmom

No need to get upset. I am not against home schooling. I just think that folks need to be aware of all resources out there.

I am not so sure that ‘times have changed’. I think some of it depends on where one lives and what the parents are like in the local school district.


96 posted on 03/29/2012 12:39:47 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Osage Orange

Again I stress I am not against home schooling. I needed to have chemistry and physics to get into my engineering major ( and that was a long time ago). Not everyone is going to need to same set of classes in order to live well. Not every problem can be fixed with a single solution.


97 posted on 03/29/2012 12:42:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JenB

I do not disagree. I also know most parents are not as motivated as your mom.... even if they are home schooling their children. I am not against home schooling.


98 posted on 03/29/2012 12:43:52 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: wintertime

And your children are the exception not the rule. Home schooled children do really well no doubt about it. I am not ( and in my posts you cannot find) against home schooling.

I know many home schooled children. Not all excel as yours did.


99 posted on 03/29/2012 12:46:04 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Alice in Wonderland

I’m a big fan of Connections Academy. They do a good job and provide, for many courses genuine expertise well beyond the level that typical parents can reach.


100 posted on 03/29/2012 12:49:27 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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