Missouri House approves "birther" bill

stltoday.com ^ | March 29, 2012 | Elizabeth Crisp

[Free ThinkerNY]

JEFFERSON CITY • Candidates for president or vice president could be forced to prove their U.S. citizenship before they can appear on Missouri ballots, under legislation that has passed the state House.

The Republican-led chamber is sending the so-called “birther bill” to the Senate. It would have to pass the Senate and get the governor's signature before it could become law. Its chances are unclear at this point.

Rep. Lyle Rowland, a Republican from Cedarcreek, has said he sponsored the bill because he doesn’t think candidates are fully vetted under the current process, which primarily relies on political parties to verify whether they meet all requirements.

“This would just provide us with the verifying evidence,” Rowland said.

The verifying evidence would come in the form of copies of candidates’ birth certificates.

“We’re not requiring a great deal,” he said. “All we’re wanting is a copy of that for our records.”

[1_Rain_Drop]

useless bill. They can print zero’s BC off the web.

[little jeremiah]

Null - list?

[eagles_rest]

You mean the one that was forged? I think they would want a certified paper copy with a seal. You know, the ones you get from the State Vital Records office.

[philman_36]

Why didn't you just BTTT @your previous thread?

@HOUSE BILL NO. 1046

As used in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended, or having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it existed at the time of the nominee's birth.

This bill is a POS!

[eagles_rest]

Nixon will never sign it, he’s a democrat. Nice try, though. Need to try again when we have Republican in there.

[philman_36]

See #5 and read the text of the bill.
Let me know what you think of it.

[philman_36]

Nixon will never sign it, he’s a democrat.
Given the way the bill is worded he just might.

[john mirse]

If the bill doesn't take effect until 2016 if passed, how can democrats claim that the bill is targeting President Obama, when Obama cannot run in 2016?

What the eligibility issue with Obama did was this: It showed us that the presidential candidate eligibility rules in each state had no strict rules and no official oversight in the past.

This Missouri law, on the other hand, will make the presidential eligibility rules clearer for all future presidential candidates in Missouri beginning in 2016, whether the candidate is a Democrat or a Republican.

In fact, I believe that after the 2012 presidential elections, other states will quickly follow Missouri's lead so that they won't have a repeat of the Obama disaster and confusion that they had during the 2008 elections and that we now have during this 2012 presidential election.

Again, Obama can't run in 2016, so I don't see how democrats can complain that the bill is targeting Obama.

As I see it, the bill will be good for both Democrat and Republican candidates in 2016 and all future presidential elections.

[philman_36]

And then once you see what a “natural born citizen” is defined as in the bill consider why only the birth certificate aspect of the bill is spoken of in the article.

[Drew68]

You mean the one that was forged? I think they would want a certified paper copy with a seal. You know, the ones you get from the State Vital Records office.

You mean like that short-form CoLB we all saw back in '08? The one Hawaiian State officials have repeatedly vouched for?

Yep. This bill is nothing more than tossing a bone to a small but vocal group of constituents so that Rowland can tell them at least he did something.

[philman_36]

This Missouri law, on the other hand, will make the presidential eligibility rules clearer for all future presidential candidates in Missouri beginning in 2016, whether the candidate is a Democrat or a Republican.
Have you read the bill? If you haven't there is a link at reply #5 with a small snippet.

There's more to this bill than just birth certificates!

[philman_36]

Be sure and take particular note to the USC 8, which is titled ALIENS AND NATIONALITY, aspect of the bill.
Positive law and natural law.
Please let me know what you think about it after reading the bill.

[Uncle Slayton]

Get back to me when they pass a law requiring forensic analysis of each candidates birth certificate and each candidates parents birth certificate.

[Deagle]

Interesting. That is nothing like my photocopy of my birth certificate. Wonder why it is not on the web? I had to send away for mine to the state I was born (at cost) when I was very young (maybe early teens) and it is nothing like his shown on the net.

At his age, it should have been a photocopy with much more information. Something is wrong here...

[Deagle]

Oh, and yes, it had the seal of the state that provided the certificate - embeded!

[frog in a pot]

This proposed bill essentially changes the meaning of NBC from that which was understood by the founders. It is a knock-off of a similar bill that failed IIRC in AZ.

Ask yourself whether this bill allows an anchor baby to be eligible for the presidency. If you can see that, then ask whether that is what the founders would have intended for our CinC.

Only a statute that calls for proof of citizen parents as well as birthplace will satisfy the founder’s requirement.
Anything short of that effectively reinforces the mess we now have.

[little jeremiah]

I read the other thread and links.

It’s utterly worthless, or worse - designed to placate “birthers” and look like they’re “doing something about it” when they are not. It’s not stupidity, it’s by design, and since so many legislators are fools, it’s meant to trick idiots and the uninformed.

[null and void]

[CommieCutter]