Zimmerman’s Brother Comes to His Defense: ‘He Stopped Someone from Disarming Him’

newsfeed.time.com ^ | 30 March, 2012 | Madison Gray

[Oztrich Boy]

You do understand that it might not get as far as an indictment with a subsequent jury trial, don’t you?

If Zimmerman gets a good lawyer who cuts a deal for Man2

[Gene Eric]

>> But then, why do that in front of homes with witnesses and so close to your father’s house?

Pride, self-defense, anger, retribution.

Don’t rule anything out until everything is disclosed.

[TigersEye]

...witnesses Mary Cutcher and Selma Mora Lamilla.

The very first thing they say is the first time they became aware of anything was the gunshot. I suppose Zimmerman might have been on top after Martin was dead. Which is just what the two of them say. The police say they are contradicting their original statements. At the end one of those loopy chicks says she "heard whining." But the first thing they heard was the shot. Couple of rooty toots. lol lame

...of male witness.

Initially he responds that he doesn't know who was on top. He's not sure of anything. Pop. Pops. Sounded like two "pops." Another rooty toot.

[Tired of Taxes]

I think it's quite possible that he made a snap decision in the moment to double back and confront Zimmerman.

That's what I believe, too. From the beginning, the story has sounded as if Martin and Zimmerman were suspicious of each other.

It has been reported that there is a witness who saw everything from start to finish of the confrontation but they haven't spoken to the press about it or been named.

I don't remember hearing about that witness. But, even if the teen swung first, he still might've been acting in self-defense. That's what I was saying further up in this thread: They probably both believed they were acting in self-defense. If the teen attacked Zimmerman, as Zimmerman claims, what was the reason? Either he planned to attack him, or he didn't plan it. Zimmerman himself told the police that Martin was running away. So, Martin probably thought he was defending himself from the man following him. IMHO, no other scenario makes sense. I have to wake up early tomorrow. Goodnight.

[TigersEye]

Having had the chance to just go home he couldn’t very credibly claim self defense after doubling back to confront Zimmerman. Especially with a cell phone in his hand and no attempt to call the police.

[Alice in Wonderland]

Google the guy's name: Chris Serino

I think the police are in a 'cover their a$$' mode.

The Sanford Police Department has a racially tinged past . Check out this video where Justin Collison, the son of a Sanford Police Lieutentant, was caught on camera beating a homeless black man.

And in 2005, two parking lot security guards, one the son of a Sanford police department veteran and the other a volunteer for the department, killed a black teen. Travares McGill was shot in the back. The guards asserted self-defense, and the case was dismissed.

It's odd that the Chief of Police and the State Attorney would leave their homes on a rainy Sunday night for the run-of-the-mill killing of a black teenager. Zimmerman and/or his dad must have friends in high places.

[Alice in Wonderland]

Did you listen to the entire tape ... or at least up to the 3:50 mark?

[TigersEye]

I listened to all of both of them. Which one are you referring to and what is it you want to say about it?

[TigersEye]

The Sanford Police Department has a racially tinged past . Check out this video where Justin Collison, the son of a Sanford Police Lieutentant, was caught on camera beating a homeless black man.

Are you freakin' kidding me? You're going to put blame on the police dept for what the son of an officer did? Sheez!

[Reese Hamm]

You're going to put blame on the police dept for what the son of an officer did? Sheez!

Not for what he did but for what they didn't do until they were called on it:
"Collison was captured on a YouTube video leaving a Sanford bar Dec. 4, walking up behind an unsuspecting Ware and punching him in the back of the head. That drove Ware's face into a utility pole, and he then hit the pavement.

He was taken to a Sanford hospital, where he was treated for a broken nose.

Sanford police questioned Collison that night and had possession of the video but did not arrest him. He was arrested one month later after news organizations began airing the video.

[TigersEye]

Yet at the Youtube video of it is a link to a video called "Warrant issued for the arrest of Justin whatshisname."

He was arrested one month later after news organizations began airing the video.

It didn't say that at the link. But it did say this which might be relevant to why the charges were dropped...

It was only on January 3rd of 2011 that Collison voluntarily turned himself in. Oddly enough, Collison agreed to pay for the Ware’s medical bills and make donations to several non-profits, most notably the NAACP! He plead guilty to a misdemeanor and was placed on a year of probation in October of 2011, the Orlando Sentinel reports.

And this is supposed to indict the whole dept. as racist? LOL

[infowarrior]

I’ve been on some Neighborhood Watch patrols, and we would never have done them solo. Why did Zimmerman do it alone? Just seems oddly careless to me.

He wasn't on patrol at the time in question, he was running a personal errand...

the infowarrior

[TigersEye]

I am not quite clear about one thing. You say the police had the video that night but the article says “...the Sanford police officer’s son who came under fire after a YouTube video showed him beating up a homeless man,...” So, which is it? Did the police have the video that night or was it later when it was posted on Youtube or was it like you said “He was arrested one month later after news organizations began airing the video?”

[Reese Hamm]

An article that might better illustrates Alice's point about the history of the department.

[Reese Hamm]

I’m only just reading up on the case so bear with me. If the incident was reported and Justin was questioned that night, it seems likely that the police viewed the area surveillance tapes. If the person reporting also had access to the tapes, it seems reasonable to conclude that they released the tapes to the media a month later when it seemed that the police were taking no action.

[TigersEye]

SANFORD – Prosecutors today formally filed charges against a Sanford police officer's son who was questioned by police but released the night he was captured in a YouTube video, sucker punching a homeless man.

The case prompted Sanford's City Council to prematurely dismiss retiring Chief Brian Tooley. It also prompted the police agency to launch an internal investigation into why the 21-year-old man, Justin Collison, wasn't arrested that night.

I don't see how dismissing a police chief and launching an investigation helps make the case that they are corrupt. Much less racist.

[cynwoody]

In order to charge him, all they need is probable cause.

Which they don't have. Unless you consider Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama to be probable cause.

There is no question in my mind that this rises to that level. Apparently, the investigators agreed, but the Sheriff and local prosecutor (who are elected officials) blocked the prosecution.

Link? You eat what the MSM shovels, it appears.

This is not a matter that can be decided by politicians.

Of course not. But that's precisely what the race pimps and libtards want!

I think that Zimmerman might beat it. He only needs to convince one juror that there is reasonable doubt.

Duh!

But I suspect that he will have to face a trial.

The mere fact of that would be a miscarriage of justice.

What bothers me most about all this is that it has reopened the gun control debate about the stand your ground law, and it seems to me that the stand your ground law does not apply. Zimmerman might have been acting in self defense, but I don’t think you can say that he was standing his ground.

Jeez, no kidding, you don't say? Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground, he was lying on it. The law the libtards want to use this incident to repeal does not apply to it!

If Zimmerman violated the law, then he should be held accountable.

He didn't.

I’m not going to excuse him just because the dead man had gold teeth.

Grillz be playa approved! Got dat?

And I sure hope that a jury doesn’t.

Jurors are morons. Ask OJ.

[Reese Hamm]

I don't see how dismissing a police chief and launching an investigation helps make the case that they are corrupt. Much less racist.

Again, I'm just learning about this case; Alice might have more details - but it would seem that the firing was a CYA measure on the part of the city council after the actions (or inaction) of several members of the police department became public.

[Reese Hamm]

Side note: Based on some of the details in the article linked above, it would seem to be a case of old-fashioned nepotism and not necessarily a case of racism.

[TigersEye]

Alice might have more details -

That is highly doubtful.

- but it would seem that the firing was a CYA measure on the part of the city council after the actions (or inaction) of several members of the police department became public.

I guess they can't win for losing. Fire the chief, investigate the cops and arrest the kid. Still guilty!