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Tulsa police say shootings may have been revenge
Foxnews.com/AP ^ | April 8, 2012

Posted on 04/08/2012 5:55:15 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Tula, Okla. – Two men were arrested Sunday in a shooting rampage that left three people dead and terrorized Tulsa's black community, and police said one suspect may have been trying to avenge his father's shooting two years ago by a black man.

Police identified both suspects as white, while all five victims in the rampage early Friday were black.

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KEYWORDS: tulsa

1 posted on 04/08/2012 5:55:18 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

England is a native american indian, not white. In fact, he’s more indian that Obama is black or Zimmerman is hispanic.


2 posted on 04/08/2012 5:58:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m glad Fox is finally getting this out. It doesn’t excuse shooting innocent people, but it might make people think a little about the consequences of all this race violence that the media are stirring up.

One thing leads to another—like it or not. If black people go around randomly killing white people, then at some point it will turn into a war.


3 posted on 04/08/2012 5:59:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Their pictures were posted somewhere.

I thought one of them looked a bit like an Indian, Oops!, I mean Native American.


4 posted on 04/08/2012 5:59:49 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Racism, revenge, hate crime, blood feud, tribalism... Hey, I have an idea, why don’t we fan this into a full fledged race war?


5 posted on 04/08/2012 6:00:36 PM PDT by fhayek
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>> police said one suspect may have been

Maybe we should stop speculating and adopt the principles of due process at least until racial sanity is restored.


6 posted on 04/08/2012 6:01:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Travis McGee

That area has plenty of Indians in it.

My Son-in-Law is an Indian tho he doesn’t look like it. He has blond hair and blue eyes. They live near Tulsa. He is enrolled as a member of one of the tribes as are my Grandchildren.


7 posted on 04/08/2012 6:03:16 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee
England is a native american indian, not white. In fact, he’s more indian that Obama is black or Zimmerman is hispanic.

At all other times the race mongers in the press would count him as non-white, but that doesn't fit their agenda this time.

8 posted on 04/08/2012 6:05:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: yarddog

England looks like an extra from Dancing With Wolves.


9 posted on 04/08/2012 6:06:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cicero

“make people think a little about the consequences of all this race violence that the media are stirring up.”

The media is responding to orders On High. Someone wants blood in the streets, possibly because they see it as a way to get elected. The consequences are a means to an end. If burning six cities means Four More Years, go for it!

Are you old enough to remember Chicago ‘68? This will be bigger, more intense, and more widespread. Lots of the radicals that look back fondly on ‘68 see this as their last chance.

Obama spent years working as rabble rouser- that’s his forte, and that’s what followers of Alinsky think too.


10 posted on 04/08/2012 6:08:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Travis McGee

I had read earlier today that he was an American Indian. Below an online article, in the comments, someone referred to him, in a derogatory way....that he was Chinese! ARGH!


11 posted on 04/08/2012 6:12:57 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Too bad the white couple who were beaten, raped and set on fire by 5 blacks weren’t armed.


12 posted on 04/08/2012 6:13:39 PM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Police identified both suspects as white,

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=14198416

Requested Party Record:

ENGLAND, JACOB CARL

Alias or Alternate Names:

None Found.

Personal Profile*
Record Date Marital Status Birth Date Birth City BirthPlace
May 2, 2011 at 10:19:14 AM
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08/09/1992
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Physical Profile*
Record Date Hair Eye Sex Race Skin Weight Height Blood Type
October 11, 2011 at 4:11:45 PM
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Male American Indian or Alaskan Native
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155 505
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May 2, 2011 at 10:19:15 AM Brown Brown Male White
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185 508
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Address Information*

13 posted on 04/08/2012 6:18:57 PM PDT by maggief
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To: toldyou

Well, he looks indian, and he self-identifies as such on his facebook page, and he cuts his hair in a modified mohawk that looks he is trying out for an extra in a western.


14 posted on 04/08/2012 6:19:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: maggief

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2417384&db=Tulsa

http://cofcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jake_england.jpg


15 posted on 04/08/2012 6:20:35 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief
Jacob Carl England, self-described Native American.

ABCNNBCBS are studying how to call him white tomorrow.


16 posted on 04/08/2012 6:23:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: maggief

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/08/oklahoma-shooting-spree-arrests_n_1410828.html

A family friend, Susan Sevenstar, told The Associated Press that England was “a good kid” and “a good, hard worker,” who “was not in his right mind” after losing his father and the January suicide of his fiancee, with whom he’d recently had a baby.

“If anybody is trying to say this is a racial situation, they’ve got things confused,” said Sevenstar, who described England as Cherokee Indian. “He didn’t care what your color was. It wasn’t a racist thing.”

The Tulsa World reported that England’s father, Carl, was shot in the chest during a scuffle with a man who had tried to break into his daughter’s apartment. England later died.

The man charged in the shooting is serving a six-year sentence on a weapons charge, according to Department of Corrections records.

Acting on an anonymous tip and backed by a helicopter, police arrested Jake England and Alvin Watts, 32, about 2 a.m. Sunday at a home in Turley, just north of Tulsa. The two men were roommates, and officers went to their home, then followed them several blocks to another home, where they were arrested without incident, police said.


17 posted on 04/08/2012 6:25:14 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Free ThinkerNY

england should be tried under sitting bull law.


18 posted on 04/08/2012 6:25:34 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Free ThinkerNY

George Zimmerman is innocent. Has anyone started a website yet?


19 posted on 04/08/2012 6:25:48 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Don't buy into this line of crap. It is selective outrage meant to simultaneously provoke white guilt and stir up black rage. NBC lead their morning should with this and the anchors sounding like they were on the verge of tears. White on black crime is so much the exception that we should all be suspicious when the national media latches on stories like this that fit thier agenda of evil whitey our to harm innocent minorities. Next look for CNN/NBC/etc. to run a special program on how this is a "teachable moment" for the ignorant white masses.

This is a local matter that should be dealt with in Oklahoma.

20 posted on 04/08/2012 6:25:58 PM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (Is it too late to save the country?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well usually the media gets to choose what race to call someone.

In the case of England they cannot call him anything but American Indian as that is what he is and that is what he claims to be.

They will call him White anyway.


21 posted on 04/08/2012 6:25:58 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee

Apparently according to the media of late there are only two groups... black and NOT black. If you’re NB it doesn’t matter if you’re pink or green or aquamarine... you’re a racist. Why? The media says so, so it must be true.


22 posted on 04/08/2012 6:31:18 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Jaded

It really gets hip-boot-deep when the MSM and the govt apply race to crime with Hispanics.

When Hispanics are perps, they are counted as and called white.

When Hispanic are victims, they are counted as and called Hispanics.

Ignorance is strength, comrade. Lies are truth.


23 posted on 04/08/2012 6:34:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks

Can you cite a sorcerer for his being a Native American?

Thank you.


24 posted on 04/08/2012 6:46:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks

Can you cite a source for his being a Native American?

Thank you.


25 posted on 04/08/2012 6:47:12 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: NoLibZone

I liked citing a sorcerer better.


26 posted on 04/08/2012 6:49:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: NoLibZone

england will have temporary insanity defense with indians in the jury.


27 posted on 04/08/2012 6:50:36 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Cicero

It’s increasingly obvious that there are people out there who want precisely that.


28 posted on 04/08/2012 6:51:21 PM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: NoLibZone

His own archived facebook pages.


29 posted on 04/08/2012 6:52:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t think most people know because it has never been widely publicized but the worst race riots in the history of the country was in New York during the Civil War.

The second worse was not Watts, or Chicago but Tulsa in 1921. I have actually talked to people who were there and they all say the numbers of dead was way more than official reports and official reports had it very high.


30 posted on 04/08/2012 6:53:49 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: NoLibZone

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jake-England/100003336116727#!/photo.php?fbid=175221112599091&set=a.175221109265758.38318.100003336116727&type=1&theater

Jodi Crosby Flatt He is strong minded and he’s responsible for so much at such a young age. He’s always been that way. It’s his Indian heritage! Bless you Alvin-you’re the best. You know where I am if you guys ever need anything, even just a hug.

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See also post #13 and 17.


31 posted on 04/08/2012 6:55:56 PM PDT by maggief
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To: NoLibZone


From Council of Conservative Citizens:




32 posted on 04/08/2012 7:05:58 PM PDT by red flanker
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To: yarddog
I think the number of people with mixed Indian blood is much higher than reported. A lot of them report as white because government history towards them isn't kind.

Sometimes the Indian traits can be recessive. My aunt and two cousins are Irish and Indian despite blond hair and fairly fair skin (some as much as I am and I'm nearly full Irish). I can see some of the Indian traits (Creek I believe) in two of her siblings, although all of them are white.

33 posted on 04/08/2012 7:14:26 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: red flanker
Both father and prospective father-in-law were American Indians:



Fiancee was part American Indian:




34 posted on 04/08/2012 7:15:07 PM PDT by red flanker
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To: Darren McCarty

There used to be an American Indian who posted here but I haven’t seen him in a few years. He once told me that the reason there are so many blond/blue Cherokee goes back to the 17 and 1800’s in Georgia.

Very large amount of intermarriage between Cherokee and Scots Irish. In fact most of them lived basically like White people.

Being an Indian has a lot of advantages. My Grandchildren and Son-in-Law qualify for free medical care since they are enrolled. They don’t need it since their parents both have health coverage from their jobs but I guess it is there if it is ever needed.


35 posted on 04/08/2012 7:21:21 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Cicero

...at some point it will turn into a war....

^^^
That is exactly what the left wants to happen. These hyped up and deliberately distorted “news” stories are all part of the plan. The media are just doing their part in the all out war against our republic and our way of life.


36 posted on 04/08/2012 7:23:52 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: stockpirate
Too bad the white couple who were beaten, raped and set on fire by 5 blacks weren’t armed.

Where did that event take place?

37 posted on 04/08/2012 7:24:47 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: DBrow

Bingo!


38 posted on 04/08/2012 7:25:26 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Was England the shooter?


39 posted on 04/08/2012 7:32:57 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So now the MSM media has created:

White Hispanics

White Native Americans.

So as a White Native American, I can now claim against the other races.

And obtain part ownership to a Casino.


40 posted on 04/08/2012 7:36:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: Bigg Red

I hope I’m wrong.


41 posted on 04/08/2012 7:41:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This guy has loser written all over him and you would expect him do be doing life in prison in the general population for murder.

42 posted on 04/08/2012 11:09:47 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: DBrow

I hope, also, that you are wrong, but I fear you are correct.


43 posted on 04/09/2012 5:54:53 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

near Tulsa, their last name is Strait


44 posted on 04/09/2012 5:58:58 AM PDT by beefree
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Now that one of the suspects turns out to be a Native American, this story will die a quick, quiet, death.


45 posted on 04/09/2012 9:05:25 AM PDT by yarddog
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