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To: 2ndDivisionVet

reason to believe not in self-defense = indictment
preponderance of evidence was in self defense = dismiss
beyond a reasonable doubt was in self defense = acquit

The first standard is barely anything, hence, a good district attorney can indict a ham sandwich.

The second standard is what the police used in deciding, on the spot, not to arrest. If there is no evidence beyond what the police had, a motion to dismiss is in order.

The third standard is a tough one, and rightfully so. Even if a court does not dismiss, it cannot be presumed that the accused will be found guilty.

And, yes, I too am wondering where the element of depravity and disregard for human life came in. Maybe the special prosecutor has a thing about ham sandwiches.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 10:20:39 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever
beyond a reasonable doubt was in self defense = acquit

Wrong! It is not the obligation of the defense to prove anything. It is the obligation of the prosectution to prove it was a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt". The prosecution only needs to show reasonable doubt, that it might have been self defense.

16 posted on 04/12/2012 10:30:32 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Redmen4ever

But this is about justice for Trayvon as the exuberant and flashy smiling prosecutor proclaimed.

The only thing missing from her news conference was ladies tossing rose petals and a chorus of trumpets.

Weird lady.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 11:25:32 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Redmen4ever
"And, yes, I too am wondering where the element of depravity and disregard for human life came in. Maybe the special prosecutor has a thing about ham sandwiches.

One way to force a jury acquittal is to inflate the charge to one that has no hope of being proven.

33 posted on 04/12/2012 11:45:31 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Redmen4ever
-- beyond a reasonable doubt was in self defense = acquit --

That's an inversion. Easier to lay out the standard in the prosecution terms, all across.

beyond a reasonable doubt was NOT in self defense = guilty

The state has the burden of production and persuasion at trial. In the pretrial hearing, the defendant has the burden of production and persuasion, to a standard of "more likely than not" it WAS reasonable use of deadly force in self defense.

74 posted on 04/13/2012 4:37:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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