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Twinkies maker Hostess gives unions 'final' offer
AP ^ | April 14, 2012 | By DAVID KOENIG

Posted on 04/14/2012 6:35:54 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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To: Soul of the South

There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics... and you seem to be unable to figure out which is which


41 posted on 04/14/2012 8:46:43 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Soul of the South

“Per the US Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2011 only 6.9% of private sector US workers were represented by a union while 37% of public sector workers belonged to unions.”

Yeah....but how many of the 6.9% actually could be exported due to union influence? Labor has been as much of the downfall of the economy as the crooked politicians. I”d slit my grandmother’s throat before I’d join a union or vote for a democRAT!
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42 posted on 04/14/2012 8:47:08 PM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: Jet Jaguar
These are tough times for twinkies.

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43 posted on 04/14/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Jet Jaguar

We’ve always got Little Debby. By they way, I heard from a reliable source that the owner of Little Debby is/was a health nut and would eat his own product.


44 posted on 04/14/2012 9:46:06 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Popman

They will contract with regional bakeries to make their
products


45 posted on 04/14/2012 10:20:54 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: smalltownslick
If there were ever anything that should be allowed to just disintegrate - this is it. and all that other junk...

So was GM and O got together a stimulus to buy GM. Think of all the union jobs that could be saved.

Either that our he could just do it with an EO. Then he saves two dem base groups... a union and.. well.. twinkies!
46 posted on 04/14/2012 11:16:23 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Jack Hydrazine

One day, archaeologists will reconstruct our civilization from Twinkies.


47 posted on 04/14/2012 11:57:42 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Soul of the South
Do a little math.

Look up how much the CEO of Walmart makes, then look up how many employees Walmart has. Divide employees into CEO pay and see what you get.

The CEOs pay is negligible on making a dent in the average Walmart employees life.

Next, look up the Forbes top 500 CEOs pay, then divide it by WALMARTS employees (its too hard to figure how many employees the top 500 have.)

Next, look up the Forbes top 400 richest Americans and add up all their estimated wealth. How does it compare with this years deficit?

The point being, that for ALL the focus on the evil rich people, They don't have or make enough to truly influence everybody elses life, if all their money were simply given to everybody else.

48 posted on 04/15/2012 1:15:23 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: Soul of the South
I agree with a lot of what you've posted there, but there's another angle to this whole issue that doesn't get a lot of attention. I've long contended that the biggest factor in the loss of American jobs to foreign competition isn't "free trade," and it isn't "corporate greed." It's actually the spending habits of the U.S. consumer, who exerts tremendous downward pressure on prices of all kinds of products and services.

This became very clear to me a few years ago during a strike by workers at one of the major grocery store chains in California. I read an article about the strike in one of the national financial magazines, and was surprised at how candid the workers on the picket line were. The vast majority of them admitted that they do their grocery shopping at Wal-Mart ... a major retail chain that has taken a big chunk out of the market share of traditional retail chains and employs non-union labor to keep their costs low.

This goes back to a statement that I've made for a long time about most issues related to U.S. labor. The heart of the problem, as I see it, is that there is a huge gap between what a typical American charges for his labor and what he's willing to pay someone else to do the same job. Is there any less "greed" in that than you see in corporate boardrooms all across this country? I don't think so.

I don't know what the solution is, but it is critical for us to keep in mind that the problem isn't a simple one.

49 posted on 04/15/2012 4:39:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Soul of the South
For those convinced that union greed is the source of this nation’s economic ills, consider that in 1965 the average CEO earned 24 times the pay of the average worker. By 2005 the average CEO earned 262 times the pay of the average worker. By 2010 it was 343 times the average worker salary. It seems those at the top may be even more greedy than the union workers and much more successful in securing disproportionate increases in compensation.

I wonder what comparison could be made from two different angles: (1) the comparison of CEO pay to total company compensation (rather than comparing a single CEO with enormous responsibilities with a single employee with much more limited responsibilities); and (2) the ratio of CEO pay to business volume.

Item (2) is an interesting point because it goes to one of the things that is often overlooked in these comparisons from one generation to the next -- namely, the fact that today's companies are much bigger and do far more business than their predecessors.

50 posted on 04/15/2012 4:43:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Jet Jaguar

Twinkies under assault by Union Ho-Hos!


51 posted on 04/15/2012 4:50:53 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Soul of the South
I would also make the case that "offshoring" is highly over-emphasized when it comes to U.S. unemployment. I believe automation has had a far bigger impact on the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs than anything related to foreign competition. We can simply produce far more units of any given product today -- and with fewer workers -- than ever before.
52 posted on 04/15/2012 4:52:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

What must also be considered is the regulatory regime that is choking off business, the lawsuit brigades who bleed companies white, and the ever escalating costs of insurance. These elements are what drives companies elsewhere, not “cheap labor” per se. Labor is only a part of the reasoning.

American workers are still, by far, the most productive in the world. Sadly, our own government, at all levels, does its best to make operating a business (especially manufacturing) very nearly cost prohibitive. Slip-and-fall lawyers take care of the rest...


53 posted on 04/15/2012 8:11:04 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: irishtenor

Lol.


54 posted on 04/15/2012 8:40:32 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Popman
pastry is date sensitive

These are Twinkies we're talking about here....

55 posted on 04/15/2012 8:43:09 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dhs12345

“Maybe Obama will bail them out?”

And Moosechell can start promoting Twinkies as a health food!


56 posted on 04/15/2012 10:49:15 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Lol.
57 posted on 04/15/2012 3:05:06 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Alberta's Child

Much of the offshoring of US consumer goods is due to pressure from Wal-Mart. Once great American manufacturers of consumer products (Hanes, Rubbermaid, Corningware for example) have become distributors for Chinese factories. See the story here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html


58 posted on 04/15/2012 3:46:46 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

If the unions vote “No” or strike, Hostess should close the plants and sell them. Or, better, offer them to the union to buy and run. See if the union is stupid enough to fall for that.

[Hint: Railway Express Agency’s union did that. REA still went bust because the union “management” couldn’t keep the company afloat and make money when they gave the union “workers” the raise they wanted.]


59 posted on 04/15/2012 8:49:02 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: smalltownslick

Is it not illegal for an American to think Twinkies are crap?.....lol.

As it happens, this Jock agrees with you. Never saw the fuss.


60 posted on 11/18/2012 8:16:08 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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