Posted on 04/14/2012 6:57:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
So, if you own a car, you must carry insurance. And if you own a commercial boat you must carry insurance? Obama’s law requires that you carry health insurance if your heart beats. This guys argument doesn’t apply. Really though, I believe this is only more evidence that liberals try to find any reason to talk about seamen and poop decks...
These people had the country handed to them I guess we should expect condescention....
Thanks that was a good refutation.
Let’s see:
Ships= Commerce
Breathing= Not Commerce
Simple.
Health insurance began in the US during the civil war, and didn't become widely used till the second world war.
Is this a parody?
It is so hard to tell these days
LOL as I have thought. I pretty much read everything about pre-American Revolution life in the colonies and I have never heard about an insurance mandate from that era.
I knew this article was full of Michelle Obama
I am a bit of a student of history, and to my knowledge, the only thing insured in those days were ships cargo. (Ironically, that is the birthplace of the insurance industry and Lloyds of London).
Medical care was cash and carry back then.
This is called the “grasping at straws” approach for liberal arguments.
The stupid is strong with this idiot.
Good point. The "Health" insurance that began in the 1860's was what we would call Accident insurance today.
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Hospitals in 1790?......
The government does have the right to demand some conditions of a ship using the nations ports. That’s a different thing from requiring all citizens to buy insurance simply because they are alive.
April 14, 2012 at 9:18 am
The seamen mandate was a proper regulation of commerce, and is no different than the government saying lawyers must be registered with the Bar Association to represent clients.
The gun mandate was only for those reporting for militia duty, clearly a very direct and very necessary and very proper use of To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia power that is listed right in the Constitution. It was also more a dictate to the States rather than the individuals, as you must realize the Constitution also mentions the Militia of the several States. The States were the ones arming their own militias, so Congress was just saying what the minimum acceptable level was for arming the militia. It would be like Congress setting what the minimum acceptable level of pollution controls on cars for those manufacturing cars, which is a power Congress clearly uses at present and is not on shaky constitutional ground.
Report on the Subject of Manufactures (1790)
Report on the Subject of Manufactures (1790)
Alexander Hamilton Frank William Taussig (editor)
State Papers and Speeches on the Tariff
Harvard University
1892
This treatise, written by the United States' first Secretary of the Treasury, shows the word "commerce" to be a synonym for "trade" and not a catch-all phrase for economic activity. Alexander Hamilton believed in a strong central government and constantly tried to expand the role of the federal government, yet he understood that the word "commerce" did not refer to manufacturing or any other economic activity--it only referred to the trading of goods.
This fact is best shown in this phrase: "And there seems to be no room for a doubt that whatever concerns the general interests of learning, of agriculture, of manufactures, and of commerce, are within the sphere of the national councils, as far as regards an application of money."
If the word "commerce" broadly referred to farming, trade, and production, this entire sentence would have been redundant. But Hamilton, as well as the rest of our Founding Fathers, understood that the word "commerce" refers to trade only.
If this analysis is applied to the Constitution, it can be inferred that our modern understanding of the Commerce Clause is not in accordance with the intentions of the authors of the Constitution.
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For the same reason that the Founding Fathers preferred Apples over PCs, and Glocks over the 1911A .45 caliber: Ease of use.
Okay, okay, I'll be less flippant:
The two 'mandates' he cites are bunkum:
The first, that the able-bodied own arms, is specifically constitutionally authorized in the requirement to establish a civilian militia -- moreover, it did NOT require that someone BUY a firearm. If your uncle Ted had spares, he could give you his. This Obamacare Mandate FORCES you to BUY a policy.
Second: The health insurance he cites was no such thing. It was a straight-on tax for people who engaged in a particular commerce. Not very unusual, and not very spectacular.
Bastard liberals lie and twist.
Here is the law that he is referring to:
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