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To: mek1959
The Confederacy rebelled because they didn't like the results of an election.

Laws are meant to be enforced, they aren't suggestions.

When the States formed the Union, they agreed to abide by the conditions that were stated in the Constitution, which was meant to be stronger then the Conferation.

I know that secession is not granted in the Constitution and wasn't even stated to be allowed in the Confederate constitution, no government could survive if any State could just leave for any reason.

Washington upheld federal laws with force.

Jackson was planning to.

Lincoln was forced to.

The only people who had a real complaint about their rights being violated were the millions of slaves that the South was willing to die trying to keep in slavery.

31 posted on 04/17/2012 3:19:30 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So, the $64,000 question which I doubt you will answer.

If the PEOPLE (the only true sovereigns) of the State of Texas or Oklahoma decide they no longer want to be part of the Union...would you be willing the shoot them and kill them to force them to stay in the Union they do not want to stay in?

You won’t answer, but I think based on your understanding of the Constitution, inalienable rights and the Rule of Law, yes, you would be willing to shoot and kill people in Texas and Oklahoma if they wanted to go their own way. How sad.


32 posted on 04/17/2012 6:07:18 AM PDT by mek1959
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To: fortheDeclaration
Washington upheld federal laws with force.

Washington followed the Constitution:

Article 4 section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

'On Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive' is the STATE governments, not the federal one.

The Governor of Pennsylvania at the time was Thomas Mifflin.

Western Pennsylvania rebelled against the Federal excise tax on whiskey in 1794. Never having fully trusted George Washington, Mifflin refused, when asked by President Washington to call out the Pennsylvania militia to enforce this Federal law. Mifflin asserted that a United States president had no authority to order a state governor to use state militia for any purpose during peacetime and in the absence of any local request for assistance. Mifflin's point was established, setting a precedent that is still honored.
Allison-Antrim Museum

Even Alexander Hamilton acknowledged Mifflin could either allow the federal troops into the state or leave the Compact:

A proclamation was issued by the President, commanding the insurgents to disperse, while quotas of militia were called for from Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey. These Governor Mifflin, of Pennsylvania, who seemed to be in sympathy with the insurgents, hesitated to call out. He was, however, forced either to do so, or to break with the central government, and the militia volunteered in greater numbers than were wanted, even members of the "Society of Friends" joining the force.
John C. Hamilton

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You really should stop regurgitating the same pablum most children are spoon-fed via the public school system and try learning a bit of history for yourself.

36 posted on 04/17/2012 7:44:23 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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