Posted on 04/17/2012 7:22:38 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
Edited on 04/17/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
No bubba goes in the holding cell at the police station. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
“The problem with society today is that every damn thing is a police matter nowadays.”
I agree that we have criminalized too much “bad behavior” in recent years. But the reason we have done so is that we have taken away from school authorities and parents the ability to deal effectively with such behavior before it escalates to a legitimate crime. There is simply no meaningful deterrence, short of involving the police, to the escalating violence in our schools and neighborhoods. In Georgia, schools can’t even use padded, isolated “time out” or “quiet” rooms any more.
That incident report does not comment one way or another as to whether or not this child was put in a cell. Quit trying to fool people who do not have the time or inclination to click through to your linked report.
Believe it or not, some children (particularly those who were crack addicted or with FAS) need NO trigger for a tantrum. It could be as simple as ‘she looked at me wrong” to being told to sit down to anything.
This behavior from a six year old is out of proportion and indicates that she is developmentally behind OR she uses this crap at home and it works.
Children who have parents that do not tolerate tantrums do not have this problem UNLESS their child has some other underlying organic problems.
and as far as I can tell you are the only one who thinks you are amusing
And you can’t do that in public schools today either
And by the way.... times have changed since you were in elementary school
The incident report was helpful to learn more about the circumstances.
So the little girl was taken to the principal’s office after she had pushed two other students and threw things off of the teacher’s desk per the report.
Later in the report it says that the officer attempted to call the child’s mother six times, and the school had also tried to contact her as well. Where was the mother??? Because the officer got no answer, his/her only choice left was to restrain the child so that s/he could transport the child back to a safe place (safe for everyone involved). It would have been wrong to keep the child at school under the circumstances.
Would others here be happier if they had called the paramedics or a psych unit? To me that is the only other possible safe option, given the circumstances. The child was not responding well to the usual measures that were taken already. What else was the school to do?
Three posts one after the other.
“Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.”
Miss Lynch? Is that you?
‘bye.
May not have been your objective but.... you made me laugh. Thanks for the chuckle
I tend to remind people of Nurse Ratchett more than anything else
The only time I can remember throwing anything that could be described as a tantrum was in 6th grade, much older than the child in question, so no, I don’t buy that it indicates being developmentally behind. And my parents didn’t tolerate tantrums either. Maybe she’s not trained well, you might be right on that, but since I don’t know her or her parents it’s not my place to say or try to interpret.
OK, please see statement from the Interim Chief of Police here: http://www.13wmaz.com/news/article/178578/175/Milledgeville-Chief-Defends-Handcuffing
He clearly debunks the “placed in a cell” nonsense.
Educators everywhere are anxiously awaiting your solutions. I would start a consulting business and start training schools on appropriate responses to violent children.
Remember as you are drawing up your power point, the parents will not come to the school (despite being phoned on all 23 contact numbers). You cannot touch, hold, restrain or otherwise physically intervene unless they are hurting themselves or others. And remember that a percentage of the school population is basically feral. We will watch for your company launch. You're gonna be rich.
You cannot touch, hold, restrain or otherwise physically intervene unless they are hurting themselves or others.
You give them every opportunity to do so including causing ear damage, psychological trauma and other fake disorders.
The school videos the whacking urchin, calls the private contracted rubber truck, which contains the feral brat until the parents arrive.
They are then presented with a large bill, and the kid is kicked out.
Thousands of dollars of psychiatric care is advised and the parents are harassed for years by "child protective services"
How's that?
"You cannot touch, hold, restrain or otherwise physically intervene unless they are hurting themselves or others"
I don't know... the kid looks pretty puny to me. Make her stand in the corner maybe.
That’s about the level of high-level problem solving I expected.
You’re right. She’d have jumped right into the corner willingly after pushing 2 students and pushing things off the teacher’s desk. (sarc)
Just wondering, how do you “make” a kid stand in the corner when she has already started acting up? Do you really think that no one in the school tried the most reasonable measures first? How about the police officer who says s/he placed a hand on the child’s shoulder in an attempt to calm her? When that didn’t work, and after trying (six times!) to reach the child’s mother, you still think you know better than the professionals? The school and the police all did exactly what they should have done in this particular situation.
Seriously, have you ever worked with young children yourself? I really doubt it.
Well actually to again deal with what the article say, he says she was put in a “meeting” room. Want to bet that was an interview room?
Many of us would rightly say that someone in a windowless room that was locked from the outside was in jail. So I am not yet convinced that this “meeting” room was not the equivalent of a jail cell without the required paper work. The bureaucracy might be interested in the paper work, the rest of are more interested in what happened.
I was thinking and talking to my wife about this at dinner. You have to wonder why, if someone at school calls the cops about an unruly 6 year old child, doesn’t the cop who answers the phone say something like do you own job and then hang up on them? I guess policing does not attract the kind of person who could actually mind their own business any more.
Of course. I grew up in a big family. Lots of the kids had temper tantrums. It's part of growing up, really no big deal. Then when it was time to raise my own kids I knew all about it.
Kids have been having temper tantrums since the beginning of time. Do you seriously believe our ancestors called the cops when kids had temper tantrums?
If you make a big deal out of a temper tantrum then the kid wins. That is what they want. And they will continue doing it because they learn they can create a big commotion anytime they want by acting up.
All the people who think it is wrong to arrest 6 year-olds think I am amusing
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