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Mountain lions raid ranches (A Big Cat)
Red Bluff Daily News ^ | Jean Barton

Posted on 04/17/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by Red Steel

The ranchers in Indian Valley, Genesee and Taylorsville, Plumas Co. have had 7 mountain lions killed this year after they had lost pets and livestock. One after this one was killed. Alicia Knadler, Indian Valley editor, wrote the following story in the March 27 Lassen County Times.

"Blood and gore and the blank stares of his baby and adult goats greeted Genesee youth Paul Astles when he went to do his chores in the barn before school Monday, March 12.

"He discoved a full-scale slaughter of his kids and adults. (Heather Kingdon told me he lost nine head that night.) "It was a mess in there," said a fellow rancher who saw it.

"Astles is the same young man who lost several goats to mountain lions in late January.

"There were four lions together on that hunt, according to Heather Kingdon, the neighbor whose border collie puppy was snatched off the porch by a lion the day before. That lion was killed with the dog's body still in its mouth.

"Kingdon saw three lions that were probably a mother and her young, and another adult, a rather skinny female.

"She was afraid this new kill was another group hunt, unheard of in mountain lions, but a professional tracker doesn't think so. "I saw one track, a big one", she said, before preparing for yet another night hunt Tuesday, March 13.

"A lion's modus operandi is to partially bury its kill and return to feed at a later time, probably the next night. And that is exactly when the hunter met the biggest tomcat he'd ever seen in his life.

"It was a monster cat," he said.

"Estimates were that it weighed close to 200 pounds. Lions do not hunt in groups, that is one thing he and the experts at the Dept. of Fish and Game agree on.

DFG public information officer Andrew Hughan was emphatic about that and refused to validate the possibility of a group hunt by other than a mother and her young.

"There is no history, science or evidence to support that," he said. "Mountain lions are solitary animals."

"This makes the sixth mountain lion killed in Indian Valley since late January.

"The fifth one was killed in the Williams Valley area of Greenville in late February. To learn more and find safety tips, visit the DFG mountain lion information page at dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion .

"Heather Kingdon authored a guest post about this experience Thursday, March 15, on thebeefjar.com .

"Scroll down the page to see her story and pictures titled "Guest Post: Active Environmentalist." Heather wrote: "The few live goats that are left are locked in the barn where the mare and foals are housed. The bodies of the nine (9) dead are piled in one place, so the lion will come to a distinct area. A trick wire is placed on the top goat's carcass so when it is moved an alarm that the Tracker has, will go off. The waiting begins. At 10 p.m. the alarm is sounded. Our hound man gets his dogs and as he approaches the barn he see the lion emerge from the barn and leap over the 6'6" fence without touching, loping across the arena and heading toward the mountain. The hounds give chase and soon the lion is treed. It is huge. The biggest lion our tracker has ever seen in his many years. The lion is shot and falls, the wind is howling and the rain is here, coming down in sheets."

"Document the damage. Document the results. Document the loss. All are documented, all is legal. The depredation was a success; yet there is no celebration at the Walking G Ranch. The dead are counted and the living are being cared for by the young man, Paul, of 13 years of age who they belong to. The nannies that are alive have lost their young, the young that survived have lost their mothers. Each kid must be fed three times a day and the nannies milked, for they won't accept another's young at this point. Chores are a welcome distraction. The filling of water buckets, cleaning the stalls. Chickens to be let out. Horses fed."


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To: Fawn
37 posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:53:06 PM by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)

It's a site not a sight.

51 posted on 04/17/2012 1:19:22 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

You’re right...thanks.


52 posted on 04/17/2012 1:24:10 PM PDT by Fawn (This site is soooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Fawn
What a disturbing picture. The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do. Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.

Why do you hate farmers and love big cats so much?

You need to train the cats to provide the raw material for filling the shelves at your grocery store...

53 posted on 04/17/2012 1:43:08 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Fawn

Once again you have proved you are clueless.


54 posted on 04/17/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Fawn

Stay in the city Fawn. Mountain lions love Fawns.


55 posted on 04/17/2012 2:03:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Fawn

“Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.”

Have you any idea what one of these would do to a Fawn much less a full size deer or an unarmed human?


56 posted on 04/17/2012 2:05:46 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red Steel
I do a fair amount of solo hiking in the northwest country, Idaho, Montana, BC. Been stalked, twice (that I know of). All I can tell you is that it forever changes your view of what it is to be a human being. You want to get an intuitive feel for nature, get hunted some time.

I would love to see a cat that size in the wild. I'd love it because it's so much better than the one that size that you don't see.

57 posted on 04/17/2012 2:08:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Red Steel; Slings and Arrows

PING this one over to Slings and Arrows. :)=^..^=


58 posted on 04/17/2012 2:21:56 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Red Steel; Fawn; All
I wish I had saved the Houston Chronicle that came a few days ago. There was an article about several species of antelope that are extinct or severely endangered in their native areas of the world but they are thriving on “game ranches” in Texas. They have been brought to Texas and turned out on huge ranches where they have increased in numbers.......... in spite of the fact that they are hunted.
The Wikipedia article link posted here, is not correct. The hunted animals are not kept in small pens where hunters shoot them. They are in wild surroundings like they would be in their native lands. the difference is they will not be hunted to extinction as they have been in places like Pakistan.
59 posted on 04/17/2012 2:54:08 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Fawn

What is canned hunting?

This is canned hunting

At first I thought canned hunting was about people who
complain about killing animals or fish but will gladly
go to the store and buy meat and fish. Ha HA


60 posted on 04/17/2012 2:56:52 PM PDT by maxsand (teapot)
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To: Red Steel

That thar kitty-cat would be good eatin'!

61 posted on 04/17/2012 3:05:34 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Red Steel

The Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks is trying to figure out why the deer numbers are down and the mountain lion and wolf numbers are up.

The liberal plan is to increase the number of large predators to the point that game animal numbers drop so low that they can justify outlawing hunting. Not because they care about the deer, because they don’t. They want to get rid of all those private firearms.


62 posted on 04/17/2012 3:08:59 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Fawn

First I’ve ever heard of “Canned hunting.” We always called it “Put and Take.” I never had much use for that type of hunting, but there are all kinds.


63 posted on 04/17/2012 3:10:23 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: blueunicorn6

And they don’t want to get rid of private firearms because they care about people being shot, because they don’t care. It’s just that they want to control the guns in this country so that they, the liberals, determine who the guns are pointed at. If you won’t listen to them now and obey them, then the guns are going to be pointed at you. They’re just that dangerous.


64 posted on 04/17/2012 3:12:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Fawn

You sure find it easy to be critical of things you don’t know anything about - Try living where you have to get your meat yourself instead of nicely wrapped in a grocery store. You will change your mind, and damn quick. I guarantee it.


65 posted on 04/17/2012 3:26:39 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Red Steel

Luckily these predators were not sentient. Look at
Radley Balko’s The Agitator today for a different scenario.


66 posted on 04/17/2012 3:27:45 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Fawn

SDNWOTN


67 posted on 04/17/2012 3:29:03 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Fawn

“Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.”

You don’t spend much time outside the city, do you?


68 posted on 04/17/2012 3:31:35 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: AnAmericanMother

You know about the Michigan farmer who just lately had
to shoot (not slaughter, shoot) all his pigs? Natural News
via Radley Balko.


69 posted on 04/17/2012 3:36:09 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: blueunicorn6

I was just thinking I had spent too much time reading FR
today. Then I saw your comment. I feel so dumb I didn’t
realize that myself.


70 posted on 04/17/2012 3:44:38 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Rebelbase; Fawn

I thought Fawn’s comment was made ironically. I was wrong.


71 posted on 04/17/2012 3:48:49 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Red Steel
In the Sierras...pussy eats you!
72 posted on 04/17/2012 3:52:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Fawn
No, I meant HIX. Just like I type Pix, Trix or Flix.,P>So, you reject the spellings of words in the dictionary and by educated people? I see.
73 posted on 04/17/2012 3:54:05 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: cycjec
iirc, those were European hogs that were being raised for boar hunts. While technically speaking all hogs are the same, your semi-wild Euro boar is a far cry from a Duroc or a Poland China, and very few fences will keep them in. Probably don't want those prowling around the Michigan woods rooting up everything and goring their dogs to death.

My parents have a serious problem with feral hogs in SGA. Periodically all the local residents break out the shotguns. The big boar hogs still periodically disembowel dogs, tear up everybody's yard like you wouldn't believe, and forget about a garden. Even electrified fence won't keep them out.

They do keep the sows and piglets around, because they DO eat the rattlesnakes. What with the feral hogs, the snakes, and the alligators in my parents' farm pond, I do not take my precious hunting dogs to visit!

74 posted on 04/17/2012 4:29:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Fawn
What's disturbing is you.

You continually have this warped view of man, and animals.

You mentioned GOD. Have you ever thought about what GOD has said about humans and animals?

Question: "Who is worth more in God's eyes....a human, or a dog"?

75 posted on 04/17/2012 4:39:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Fawn
I'm guessing you ate something today.......created by GOD.

How classless, disturbing and sick!!!! UGH!!!!!!

76 posted on 04/17/2012 4:50:44 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: timeflies; Fawn

Oh...geesh..don’t feed the monkey’s comes to mind.


77 posted on 04/17/2012 4:54:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: SZonian; Fawn
So. Cal. has had many situations in the last 20 years where...cougars have killed, mauled, or stalked humans.

Not to mention the dogs, cats, and other pet's the mountain lions have killed.

As long as I've known of her....fawn doesn't get it.

Maybe she can't...........I dunno.

78 posted on 04/17/2012 5:00:22 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: GladesGuru; Fawn

You are very gentle, and kind.


79 posted on 04/17/2012 5:11:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Fawn

Freaks I hope one day to see them hanging.


80 posted on 04/17/2012 5:14:42 PM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: angcat
Freaks I hope one day to see them hanging.

Lost in Yonkers much?

NATIVE YONKERS NY FREEPER SIGN UP #22815

81 posted on 04/17/2012 6:26:20 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Ditter
The interwebs and its series of tubes are your friend, Ditter!

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/New-rule-on-exotic-antelope-will-hurt-species-3448655.php

82 posted on 04/17/2012 6:27:13 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Red Steel


83 posted on 04/17/2012 6:35:29 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones
From the article “hunting gives them value”.............

I knew by the time I finished cleaning up the kitchen that some nice freeper would find this and post it. :D

84 posted on 04/17/2012 7:15:46 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Osage Orange; Fawn

We’ve had our entanglements before.

Interesting side story,

When our son was a toddler, we took him to see the cats at the Exotic Feline Breeding Compound in CA. He was running around having a grand ole time looking at all the “big kitties”.

Me, I was watching what the “big kitties” were doing. The mountain lions were actually trying to stalk our son from their enclosure.

It was quite a lesson and for any who think those “big ole puddy tats” aren’t always on the lookout for an easy meal, you’re dangerously mistaken.


85 posted on 04/17/2012 9:22:19 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

When our son was 2 we were at a zoo and a leopard left his rock ledge to come down closer and watch the kid toddle along. He was making a deep growling purr, thinking of the tender meat walking past.


86 posted on 04/17/2012 9:45:12 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: JediJones

Actually I live with hicks in NE PA these days. I still love Yonkers. City folks don’t kill animals. We find food in grocery stores.


87 posted on 04/18/2012 5:19:17 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: angcat

LOL....Hi Ang!


88 posted on 04/18/2012 6:10:29 AM PDT by Fawn (This site is soooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: eartrumpet

LOL! I figure it was a “size” thing.

The cats didn’t appear the least bit interested in the bigger people, but boy, when the kids came around...

Watching their behavior was very educational, hadn’t seen it in person before so it was an eye opener.


89 posted on 04/18/2012 7:20:11 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
“big ole puddy tats”

Why do cute little kitty-cats purr, and rub their cute little heads on your ankles?

Simple ...

They're sucking up. Kissing ass. You outweigh them by an order of magnitude, could smash them to a pulp if you wanted to, and they know it.

If they were big enough to rip your throat out and eat you, they'd happily do it.

Sort of like mountain lions ...

90 posted on 04/18/2012 7:41:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: angcat

Animal worshiper cursing Gods children, isn’t that special.


91 posted on 04/18/2012 7:58:03 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: blueunicorn6

>The liberal plan is to increase the number of large predators to the point that game animal numbers drop so low that they can justify outlawing hunting. Not because they care about the deer, because they don’t. They want to get rid of all those private firearms.<

Ever notice how most “endangered” species are those that eat the same things we do? Isn’t that the weirdest coincidence?/


92 posted on 04/18/2012 7:59:25 AM PDT by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yep!


93 posted on 04/18/2012 8:00:46 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Fawn

HI FAWN!!! MEOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!


94 posted on 04/18/2012 8:05:57 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: angcat
Actually I live with hicks in NE PA these days.

You're talking to one of those NE PA "hicks." Born and raised.

I still love Yonkers. City folks don’t kill animals. We find food in grocery stores.

Right, you pay other people to do your dirty work.

95 posted on 04/18/2012 8:08:58 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

We find food in grocery stores.


Some days you just wonder......................


96 posted on 04/18/2012 8:12:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: JediJones
I'm a city girl Jedi that's the way it is. We do plant tomato's in the summer. You know that's what Italians do.
97 posted on 04/18/2012 8:17:53 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: SZonian
It was quite a lesson and for any who think those “big ole puddy tats” aren’t always on the lookout for an easy meal, you’re dangerously mistaken.

This reminds me of stupid behavior of people. Why do people have those 'Baby on Board' signs on their cars? Why advertise the goods in the car? Lots of predators out there.

98 posted on 04/18/2012 1:12:13 PM PDT by Fawn (This site is soooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Fawn

Well, you went from just silly, to plain out moronic. How did your idiot brain manage to come to “canned hunting”?


99 posted on 04/18/2012 1:20:43 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

Not sure who you think you are or who you’re talking too....but calling me 3 differnt names in 2 short sentences just shows me you are the one with no brains. Hmmm-’double tap’—are you an alcholic? How’s that for assumptions... don’t bother answering...I’ve no time for typical liberal attacks.


100 posted on 04/18/2012 6:34:24 PM PDT by Fawn (This site is soooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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