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Obama: Some in GOP forget how America was built
Associated Press ^ | April 18, 2012 | NANCY BENAC

Posted on 04/18/2012 1:18:10 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

ELYRIA, Ohio (AP) — President Barack Obama said Wednesday that his Republican rivals are sincere, patriotic and absolutely wrong about how to reinvigorate the economy.

He said they "don't seem to remember how America was built."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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To: Lucky9teen

WSI is 100% correct.

Look, Obama is a nationalist socialist ( black Power Liberation theology nationalism combined with the underhanded use of goverment and taxation to redistribute wealth based on “historic justice”, socialist).

In short Obama is a fascist by any historical test one wishes to apply. He can be defeated ONLY by a presidential opponent who has the ability and drive to define Obama for what he really is.Unfortunately Romney has neither.I doubt Newt does. Sarah Palin and Alan West DO have what it takes.

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


81 posted on 04/18/2012 3:14:47 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“He said they “don’t seem to remember how America was built.”

I’m damn sure it was NOT with government loans and entitlements.


82 posted on 04/18/2012 3:26:42 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We can’t win for losing with this dismal choice: Romney or Obama. So we must clean all incumbents from Congress; get term limits passed for the House and the Senate, and carefully vet proven Conservatives then vote them in.

Of course if Obama wins, he has said he doesn’t need congress to put his policies into reality. He rules by executive order. I expect Romney may follow his lead. But it is all we have left to us. Vote out all incumbents!


83 posted on 04/18/2012 3:30:22 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
pretty rich coming from a boy not born here...
84 posted on 04/18/2012 3:36:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Whoa! the canary in the coal mine for obmamam?

He used to be able to lie like this and the Sheeple would nod their heads and follow...

but look at the comments below this time! 100% AGAINST his idiotic statements

The tide is turning?

Let’s pray we go to t brokered convention that results in weeks of exposure of Romney versus Newt - and ends with Newt as the candidate. He can take this liar down with one hand tied behind him....

Romney - as bad as McCain was for us - and he won’t have a Palin to help him. WE will have gifted the Socialist/Marxist/Mussie the time to totally take us down.


85 posted on 04/18/2012 3:43:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: RobbyS

I can agree with all that, my point is that it gets old to hear that “blacks built this nation” as if hammering nails into wood is more important than the men (white men) who had the vision and the intelligence to lay the plans, provide the engineering expertise, were cultured enough to bring the best of the beauties of the Old World (theirs and our heritage), systems of governance based on Magna Carta, and all the rest of our rich and sophisticated western civilisation heritage. They had the “Hercules factor” which gave them the courage to forge their way into unknown (to them) lands at the risk of their lives, these journeys sometimes taking most of the years of their lives. They had the courage to get on little sail-powered ships and take a jouney, with their families, which at that time took many months. There’s more to “nation-building” than erecting the buildings, a nation is also a society based on a culture, and it’s all powered by the kind of people behind it. Whites created very different socieities in Africa than the ones they found, when they went there in large numbers to stay long-term.


86 posted on 04/18/2012 3:43:48 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This guy is a master at claiming the goodness of others for his political smokescreen. He has never lifted one finger or wiggleled one toe to physically protect this Nation.It is surprising/perlexing that this dubious patriot gets the handshakes from so many toe sucking citizens.


87 posted on 04/18/2012 3:45:52 PM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: rawcatslyentist

Soooo, Obama is admitting that the Keynesian ‘trickle down’ economics that he is tripling this very moment doesn’t work, right?
Let’s go Hayek! Real bottom up prosperity.
Time to get sober!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc


88 posted on 04/18/2012 3:54:38 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Steely Tom

The Democrats replaced the ‘plantation’ with ‘collective’. LBJ, after starting his ‘Great Society’ plan, said, that ‘they would have the n*ggers voting Democrat for the next 100 years’. Looks like LBJ knew what he was talking about.


89 posted on 04/18/2012 4:03:55 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: allmendream

The “sovereignty of the individual” is a term that troubles me. No one prospers outside a community. But certain communities create individuals who given enough liberty become creative far beyond those who grow up in others. These natural elites are allowed to lead in a free country. In other countries, they become bandits.


90 posted on 04/18/2012 10:07:07 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: griswold3

Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, because it went far beyond the implementation of the 14th Amendment and gave the Federal Government the power to intrude into the lives, into the very consciences of American citizens. The original Civil Rights Act, the one that preceded the 14th Amendment, merely made the man a citizen. The Civil Rights Act made him a client of the national government, and instilled him the belief that the government ought to make others love and respect him regardless of his personal qualities. Obama does remind me of a scorned lover who has attained a position where he can work his will on those who refused to love him as he wished.


91 posted on 04/18/2012 10:17:08 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

A sovereign individual is free to prosper within or without a community as much as his individual conscience and value to that community dictates that he should.

If a society is free such that people can utilize their own creative impulses - you will have a free and creative society.

If a society is repressive and people cannot do so (you are the son of a baker, and must be a baker - another family has a local monopoly on painting and you cannot be a painter) they may well end up as bandits.

Individual sovereignty is one of the foundational principles and ideals of this American Republic. The idea it replaces is that of a sovereign State ruled by a sovereign King - with a supposedly God given mandate to rule.

Contrast the notion of the “divine” right of Kings - and that of the natural rights of man. One is in direct opposition to the other.


92 posted on 04/19/2012 12:28:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

I substituted the word person for individual. the word “individual” is of recent coinage. As late as the Civil War, it had the connotation of “ self-centered.” In the communal world of ancient Greece, the equivalent word was “idiot.” —a man without public spirit.


93 posted on 04/19/2012 1:11:55 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: allmendream

I substituted the word person for individual. the word “individual” is of recent coinage. As late as the Civil War, it had the connotation of “ self-centered.” In the communal world of ancient Greece, the equivalent word was “idiot.” —a man without public spirit.


94 posted on 04/19/2012 1:12:20 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
Thomas Jefferson spoke of the rights of the individual.

“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”
Thomas Jefferson

James Madison said that he worried that there was not enough in our new Constitution to “secure individuals against encroachments on their rights.”.

The word “individual” seems in common usage during the time of our founding - and the notion of individual rights and individual sovereignty were discussed in exactly those terms.

95 posted on 04/19/2012 1:28:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

But what does it mean? The following suggests the matter is not so simple:

http://madeinamericathebook.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/american-individualism-–-really/

One thing that surely distinguishes Americans from others is donations to private charity, of the compulsion to voluntary action. Notice that the French are most individualistic. That is because there the Republican notion that has taken whole that the state is essentially a collection of autonomus individuals. This is the Jacobin notion, and speaking of Jefferson and Madison, they were not wholly free of the attractions to that notion of total government. In their rejection to royalism, they sometimes climbed into bed ideologically with enemies of personal liberty. Most Americans were not liberals but Whigs, and such an attitude is still more congenial to Americans than liberalism.


96 posted on 04/19/2012 11:49:36 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

It means that our founders used the term “individual” in the same sense I used it - in terms of individual sovereignty and individual rights.

They were apparently free from the negative connotations you claimed were upon the word at that time.

And as to the word being of recent coinage - not THAT recent - as they were quite prolific with its use.

Perhaps if you were more familiar with their writings you wouldn’t be making such outlandish claims.


97 posted on 04/19/2012 11:58:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: RobbyS
Wow is that article you cited a mess.

Based upon surveys about what people value - well one might expect someone who doesn't have much individual liberty to VALUE the individual liberty they are deprived of.

Is right or wrong a matter of personal conscience? I don't know how that relates to individualism - yet is the very SECOND criteria he cites. To me it more means that Americans are more likely to subscribe to a fixed morality based upon religion.

The author ends with this bit of idiocy. That what makes America great is ‘being our brother's keeper’ in line with the direction 0bama is leading the nation.

“So, if Lowry and Ponnuru are wrong, if individual liberty is not the core of American exceptionalism, but something else is – say, perhaps, community and committment – are President Obama’s policies moving us away from or perhaps closer to the core values of the nation, to, say, being our brothers’ keepers?”

Disgusting.

98 posted on 04/19/2012 12:16:57 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Really? Voluntarism is the life-blood of American culture according to Tocqueville. Obama is a statist, pure and simple. Liberals like Joe Biden give 1% of their income to charity. Communitarians like Romney about 20% Save what you will about the Mormons, they came from that same era of helping one another that was typical of frontier life. And as Charles Murray said the other day, that voluntaryism is the essence of American exceptionalism and that we will be drug down because our elites are less and less inclined to help others personally, short term “causes,” aside.


99 posted on 04/19/2012 12:58:15 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
Yes really.

Do you really get your ideas of American exceptionalism from a Socialist Sociology Professor from Berkeley? Sure seems like it. And do you agree with his premise that what America great is ‘being our brother's keeper’ and that this is in line with 0bama’s policy goals?

Americans are the most charitable people - and they give as individuals - as dictated by their individual conscience - by way of their individual liberty - as an expression of their individuality.

100 posted on 04/19/2012 1:07:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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