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To: Colofornian; All
Marriott promot[es] discounts to gay couples ... and is one of the largest of distributors porn in the world through its pay-per-view operations ... and is one of the largest dispensers of alcoholic beverages in the world through its vast network of bars ... and has extensive casino operations worldwide ... and is closely tied to the Mormon Church ... and is considered by many to be one of the Church's largest and most profitable commercial ventures.

The eventual "good news" is that Marriott has announced it's phasing out the porn profit.

Yes and No

You have presented a classic example of a situation where the Mormon Church appears to do the right thing under pressure of the public glare ... but upon closer inspection, clearly demonstrates its blatant hypocrisy.

The hotel rent a porn movie business was smashed after the lodging industry was forced by competitive pressure to adopt high speed internet. Why would customers pay, say, $10 for a blue movie for one night when they can log into a porn site and watch trash for free ... or pay the same money more or less as they would for smut and gain access to premium porn content. Many more titles; more perversion; for a month or longer. Therefore, Marriott can proudly announce it's closing its porn distribution operation, thereby belatedly doing the right thing in keeping with the widely heralded moral doctrines of one of its primary owners, the Mormon Church.

What Marriott didn't do, however, was tell the world that their decision was inevitable and was of almost no financial consequence to the corporation. Even worse, Marriott failed to install inexpensive and largely effective software on its servers that blocks access to most porn sites. Guests could still check e-mail messages, get caught up on news and sports, confirm travel reservations, and comply with widely proclaimed Mormon standards of moral decency. But many Marriott customers would take their business elsewhere. And that would cost the Mormon Church money!

So therefore, at the very time that I write this on a Saturday night, at Marriott hotels, motels, inns, lodges, resorts, spas and casinos around the world, people are watching hard core pornography, liquor is flowing, dice are rolling, and bell captains are procuring escorts. And most important, cash is flooding into Mormon Church coffers.

61 posted on 04/21/2012 9:28:27 PM PDT by Zakeet (Democrat idea of a balanced budget ... one-half smoke and one-half mirrors)
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To: Zakeet
Yes and No You have presented a classic example of a situation where the Mormon Church appears to do the right thing under pressure of the public glare ... but upon closer inspection, clearly demonstrates its blatant hypocrisy. The hotel rent a porn movie business was smashed after the lodging industry was forced by competitive pressure to adopt high speed internet. Why would customers pay, say, $10 for a blue movie for one night when they can log into a porn site and watch trash for free ... or pay the same money more or less as they would for smut and gain access to premium porn content. Many more titles; more perversion; for a month or longer. Therefore, Marriott can proudly announce it's closing its porn distribution operation, thereby belatedly doing the right thing in keeping with the widely heralded moral doctrines of one of its primary owners, the Mormon Church. What Marriott didn't do, however, was tell the world that their decision was inevitable and was of almost no financial consequence to the corporation. Even worse, Marriott failed to install inexpensive and largely effective software on its servers that blocks access to most porn sites. Guests could still check e-mail messages, get caught up on news and sports, confirm travel reservations, and comply with widely proclaimed Mormon standards of moral decency. But many Marriott customers would take their business elsewhere. And that would cost the Mormon Church money! So therefore, at the very time that I write this on a Saturday night, at Marriott hotels, motels, inns, lodges, resorts, spas and casinos around the world, people are watching hard core pornography, liquor is flowing, dice are rolling, and bell captains are procuring escorts. And most important, cash is flooding into Mormon Church coffers.

Excellent points...thanx for taking the time both to delve into this...and express it

62 posted on 04/22/2012 12:09:01 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Zakeet
And most important, cash is flooding into Mormonism, Inc. Church coffers.
65 posted on 04/22/2012 3:21:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet
The hotel rent a porn movie business was smashed after the lodging industry was forced by competitive pressure to adopt high speed internet.

Golly!

That sounds SO similar to the way FINALLY relented (in 1978) and 'allowed' blacks to hold the PRIESTHOOD.

(Ignore that BYU thing and sports...)







"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

66 posted on 04/22/2012 3:24:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet
What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.


73 posted on 04/22/2012 3:54:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zakeet; Elsie

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political-surf/2012/04/17/same-sex-relationship-sent-lds-church-patriarch-into-exile/

This dude would have loved Marriotts.


79 posted on 04/22/2012 6:28:17 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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