Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

NBC Goes After Remington, Remington Responds to Its 'Anti-Gun Agenda'
Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2012 | Elizabeth Meinecke

Posted on 04/22/2012 9:27:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

The gun manufacturing company Remington is standing strong against NBC, which has been going after the manufacturer for what it deems a flaw that allows the gun to be fired without the trigger being pulled. Despite the fact that Remington and the plaintiff came to an agreement, NBC kept on pressing and indicated Remington has been hiding the truth for years.

Remington's statement is a strong response to what it indicates is much more than a concern about gun safety:

"NBC continues to attack Remington and the firearms industry through sensational and factually inaccurate reporting. On April 11, 2012, Brian Williams again demonstrated NBC’s anti-gun agenda with the claim that the Model 870, Model 1100 and other Remington firearms have a design flaw. That claim is demonstrably false and Remington stands fully behind the safety and reliability of the most popular shotguns in the world. It wasn’t enough for NBC to attack over 20 million Remington firearms; they also called the Second Amendment into question by suggesting that there is a need for increased government regulation of firearms. Model 870 and 1100 owners know the truth – these shotguns are used extensively under the most demanding conditions. Tens of billions of rounds have been fired through these firearms, which are valued for their performance and durability by millions of hunters, shooters, law enforcement and military personnel who have relied on Remington. As the basis for its attacks, NBC continues to rely upon paid “experts” who have been repeatedly hired by plaintiff’s attorneys to testify against Remington and at least 16 other firearms manufacturers. The facts show that the Model 870 and 1100 are two of the most reliable shotguns ever produced – only one lawsuit has been filed in the last seven years and no litigation is pending against the trigger mechanisms of these firearms. Deceptively editing and ignoring readily available documents and video evidence to drive NBC’s agenda is an all too familiar tactic. Remington stands by the reliability and safety of its firearms and will fully respond to NBC’s attempt to disparage these iconic American products."

If you want to watch the NBC pieces, there are several videos here, and have Remington's full responses by checking out respectremington.tv.

NBC's integrity in this matter, according to the NRA-ILA, isn't spotless, either. They document why viewers should think twice about trusting NBC on this here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; gungrabbers; liberalmedia; mediabias; nbc
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-104 next last
To: oh8eleven
I own a Mossberg 500 love it..there are a bunch of accessories you can get for it but I don't need any...
51 posted on 04/22/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by Gone_Postal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Minutemen

I don’t think I’d use anything heavier than turkey shot with a pistol grip.


52 posted on 04/22/2012 12:32:43 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Usually_Disappointed

I have an 870 thats at least 40 yrs old and hasn’t seen a shell in at least 20. I might see an accidental discharge if I put a shell in it as the firing pin is probably no longer floating but fixed.

Which is why I don’t plan to load it until I get it to the gunsmith.


53 posted on 04/22/2012 12:35:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: ironwill
For home defense, I am going with something shorter, plus it holds 14+1. The Kel-Tec KSG:

Great versatility, w/2 magazine tubes you can fill one w/7 slugs and the other w/7 buck and switch back and forth as needed. Bad news, I just ordered one and was told there were customers ahead of me and their wait looked like it might be close to a year. I've heard that Kel-Tec does this a lot, introduces some brand-new wiz-bang new technology firearm, then fiddles around for several years getting production on-line.

If you don't mind my asking what were you quoted for price? There is an automatic that was just introduced (not Kel-Tec) w/a four tube rotating magazine (manual) for SRP over $2300. That seems kinda high given that the tubes only hold 4 rounds and you index them by hand.

Regards,
GtG

54 posted on 04/22/2012 1:25:42 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

Get two of these!

http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm


55 posted on 04/22/2012 1:26:19 PM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
I have an 1100 12 gauge. It doesn't shoot itself, you have to pull the trigger. A couple of times an ejected shell has gotten caught in the action, preventing the next shell to load. Just pull it out and back in business. Since I follow the “one shot, one kill” principle, it's not a factor anyway.
56 posted on 04/22/2012 2:11:33 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

Good choice. Either that or the equivalent 870, it’s pretty much a coin toss from what I can tell.


57 posted on 04/22/2012 2:17:02 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ATOMIC_PUNK

There’s a good chance your 20 ga. was made by Winchester.


58 posted on 04/22/2012 2:36:46 PM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

I have tried a pistol grip on a Mossberg 500 12 ga. Even with #4 shot it tries to separate your thumb from the rest of your hand. Standard stock went back on...


59 posted on 04/22/2012 2:38:31 PM PDT by laker_dad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

If it has a plastic safety catch, have a gunsmith replace it with a metal one. That’s about the only weakness of the 500.


60 posted on 04/22/2012 2:41:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Gandalf_The_Gray; hattend

I’ve seen it from $579 - $700+...just depends on where you shop. Google Kel-Tec KSG and click on the “Shopping” button on the left of the Google screen.

Yes Hattend, it’s legal for civilians, and because it’s a bullpup design, it’s overall length is shorter than a standard 18” barrel shotgun but still utilizes an 18” barrel. Pretty cool, eh?


61 posted on 04/22/2012 2:43:35 PM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Jewbacca
They used the 870 from WWI to Gulf War I and a little later.

The 870 was introduced in 1950. The Winchester 1897 was used in WWI and WWII, along with the Stevens 520 in WWII. The Savage version of the Browning A5 saw duty in Vietnam. The 870 saw action as well.

62 posted on 04/22/2012 2:47:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: GoldenPup
Buy a BIGGER one...there is no substiture for horsepower.
I have no experience w/ shotguns, but plenty w/ M-14 and M-16. Not sure what you mean by "bigger", w/ regard to shotguns.
63 posted on 04/22/2012 2:52:39 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: fish hawk

Got it - thx.


64 posted on 04/22/2012 2:53:53 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: ironwill

That’s one BAD looking gun.


65 posted on 04/22/2012 2:55:07 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: laker_dad
Even with #4 shot it tries to separate your thumb from the rest of your hand.
I encountered a few stories like that in my research. Thx ...
66 posted on 04/22/2012 2:57:32 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek
Get two of these!
LOL ... one for each hand?
67 posted on 04/22/2012 2:59:21 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster
Either that or the equivalent 870, it’s pretty much a coin toss from what I can tell.
Yeah, I think I choose the 500 because it has an aluminum receiver and it's a lighter.
68 posted on 04/22/2012 3:02:43 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

Size of shot does not matter, it’s the weight and velocity that contributes to recoil. If you shoot 1 ounce of #9 shot (itty bitty) or 1 ounce of buckshot at a given velocity, the recoil will be the same. It all comes down to weight of gun (heavier will recoil less), weight of shot charge, and velocity.

Some semi automatics will have less perceived recoil due to part of the cartridge’s energy being expended to cycle the gun.


69 posted on 04/22/2012 3:03:13 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim
If it has a plastic safety catch, have a gunsmith replace it with a metal one.
I think it has a (heavy) plastic trigger guard too. I plan on a minimum of use, so I'm not that concerned.
70 posted on 04/22/2012 3:05:06 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

Trigger guard isn’t a problem, Mossberg used them on a number of .22 rifles for decades without problems. I have seen numerous plastic safety catches on the 500 break, including the one on the 20 gauge I gave Mother Slim for home protection backin the 80’s. They might have corrected the problem, but metal ones are available.


71 posted on 04/22/2012 3:14:44 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim
I have seen numerous plastic safety catches on the 500 break ...
I'll look into a metal one. Thx ...
72 posted on 04/22/2012 3:23:46 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

My latest is a mossberg 930 jm pro that I’m loving. 9+1 with a 24 inch barrel. I think with a new plug I can get 10 + 1.


73 posted on 04/22/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: mylife
The Remington 870 is the best selling shotgun in history.

My brother has one. He's had it since around 1975. The design is even older than that, the 870 was introduced in 1950. You'd think someone, possibly as many as 10 million someones, would have noticed this "design flaw" by now. They built the 10 millionth 870 in 2009, making the 870 the best-selling shotgun in the history of the world.

74 posted on 04/22/2012 3:37:17 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Durus
Well, if I get a flash mob coming my way this summer, I'll wish I had the 10+1.
I guess I'll just have to learn how to reload reeeeal fast. Thx ...
75 posted on 04/22/2012 3:37:22 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: piytar
Only evidence left was the puddle of urine outside my door. (No joke.)

You really should have taken a picture of the evidence. Might have caught a picture of a footprint after the perp had stepped in "it".

76 posted on 04/22/2012 3:41:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: wolfcreek

Those are ridiculously cheap. Whenever I move out of the Democratic People’s Republic of New York, that will probably be the first firearm I buy.


77 posted on 04/22/2012 3:44:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

I’m with mrmeyer, get the 590. And if you’re a boat guy like me, get the stainless.


78 posted on 04/22/2012 3:45:44 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

I’m with mrmeyer, get the 590. And if you’re a boat guy like me, get the stainless.


79 posted on 04/22/2012 3:46:09 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Sirius Lee
And if you’re a boat guy like me ...
I'm former USMC. NO boats.
80 posted on 04/22/2012 3:49:49 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: GoldenPup
Buy a BIGGER one...there is no substiture for horsepower.

Shorter ones are handier in close quarters, and are lighter. That's why my "serious social purposes" shotgun, (Not an 870, which I could not afford at the time) has a 18.5" barrel. Sure I give up two rounds of magazine capacity, but 6 should be enough, and if not, I know how to reload it.

81 posted on 04/22/2012 3:52:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: mylife
Don't use the pistol grip with buckshot ☺

Unless it's one like this:

Which is similar, but better, than the one I have on mine, which originally came with the pistol grip only, but I never fired it that way, and never will.

That one is for an 870.

82 posted on 04/22/2012 3:56:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

Yes that is a good design that wont break your wrist!


83 posted on 04/22/2012 4:00:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

Yes that is a good design that wont break your wrist!


84 posted on 04/22/2012 4:01:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: FatherofFive

That would make a fantastic bumper sticker!!!:)


85 posted on 04/22/2012 4:16:04 PM PDT by Frank_2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: ironwill

I Want One! Badly. I thought I might not want to shoot it, but it actually weighs about 15% more than my current defensive shotgun, so felt recoil should be less. Over twice as many rounds, and will fire the short (1 3/4") shells, giving you more rounds yet. KelTec site says it will hold 6 3" rounds in each tube, meaning you could put in 10 1 3/4" rounds in each tube, for a total of 21(although the manual says to make the short rounds function feed reliably) but 14 + 1 of 2 3/4" would be plenty.. Man would that make Fienstien and Schummer swoon. :)

86 posted on 04/22/2012 4:19:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Tijeras_Slim

They corrected the safety button quite a few years ago but it was a really bad problem for a while.

While I was in grad school back in the late 80s I would work at a gun shop during Christmas vacation. That dealer kept a large stock of Mossberg safety buttons on hand. The replacements were also of plastic but had much more plastic on each side of the screw which attached it to the gun.

They may have replaced it with steel by now but I have no idea. Looking at the original ones, the plastic on each side of the screw was so thin that it was obviously defective, not sure how it ever got on the gun to start with.


87 posted on 04/22/2012 4:22:37 PM PDT by yarddog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: hattend
Can civilians buy one?

Yep, eventually anyway. It has 18.5" barrel and is 26.1” long, both just above the legal minimums (18" and 26" respectively) in the National Firearms act.

All you need is around $750. (MSRP is $800)

88 posted on 04/22/2012 4:44:33 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Beagle8U; fini
Used for self defense or hunting, the only sound should be the safety being clicked off. There will already be one in the chamber long before I need to shoot.

That's how I was taught. The idea that the clack-clack of pumping the shotgun will cause the perp to freeze is a bad assumption. It may just as easily cause him to start firing wildly in the general direction of the sound.

89 posted on 04/22/2012 4:52:37 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: mcshot
There’s a good chance your 20 ga. was made by Winchester.

All the JC Higgens shotguns I've seen were made by High Standard. The only Sears firearm that Winchester made was the model 54, a lever action rifle. Savage/Stevens made most Wards shotguns, Winchester apparently didn't make any of those either.

I had a 20 ga JC Higgens, and my Dad had a 12 gauge. They were both High Standards and I've handled the equivalent High Standard Models.

90 posted on 04/22/2012 5:07:17 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Wasn’t it NBC that staged the GM pickups with “exploding” fuel tanks expose? The public needs reminding exactly what kind of “news” organization is putting this out. Not like our illustrious news media would lie about the story, would they?


91 posted on 04/22/2012 5:17:22 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: vladimir998
whatever happened to him anyway?

The grand jury returned a "no bill", so I guess he went on with his life. In 2009,, around 2 years after the shooting and a year after he was cleared by the Grand Jury, he appeared at a Tea Party Rally with Glenn Beck and Ted Nugent at the Alamo.

You can listen to the 911 call.

92 posted on 04/22/2012 5:28:06 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
There is only one flaw in the 870 design IMHO and that's its ejector. The ejector is a piece of spring steel riveted to the inside left wall of the receiver. [That's what the notch on the left side of the barrel engages when installed.]

If the ejector breaks, and it's happened to me twice (once in the service and once as a civilian), the receiver has to go back to Remington for them to install a new one. Remington will replace the ejector either free or for a nominal charge. This is the only “flaw” with the 870 design. Otherwise, it's about as “human-proof” as you can get with a firearm.

93 posted on 04/22/2012 5:39:20 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

My Nephew had a Sears shotgun made by Winchester. It was identical to the model 1300 except the impressed checkering had a different pattern.

I don’t remember if it was marked J.C. Higgins or not. It was actually a pretty good looking gun with a very high quality blueing. I never liked impressed checkering but other than that it was nice.


94 posted on 04/22/2012 5:43:04 PM PDT by yarddog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: mylife; oh8eleven
I still wouldnt use it with the pistol grip. ouch.

Ditto the ouch.

95 posted on 04/22/2012 5:44:11 PM PDT by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: hattend

“Did NBC use a model rocket motor to cause the shotgun to fire?”

I remember that gas tank fire story. Why that didn’t put NBC News out of business permanently boggles the mind.


96 posted on 04/22/2012 6:00:07 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Liberals vote the way they feel, conservatives vote the way they think. NRA <BCC><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: MasterGunner01
Yes it was

From Wikipedia

Controversis General Motors v. NBC Dateline NBC aired an investigative report on Tuesday, November 17, 1992, titled “Waiting to Explode”. The 60 minute program was about General Motors pickup trucks allegedly exploding upon impact during accidents due to the poor design of fuel tanks. Dateline's film showed a sample of a low speed accident with the fuel tank exploding. In reality, Dateline NBC producers had rigged the truck’s fuel tank with remotely controlled model rocket engines to initiate the explosion. The program did not disclose the fact that the accident was staged. GM investigators studied the film, and discovered that smoke actually came out of the fuel tank six frames before impact. GM subsequently filed an anti-defamation/libel lawsuit against NBC after conducting an extensive investigation. On Monday, February 8, 1993, GM conducted a highly publicized point-by-point rebuttal in the Product Exhibit Hall of the General Motors Building in Detroit that lasted nearly two hours after announcing the lawsuit.[6] The lawsuit was settled the same week by NBC, and Jane Pauley read a 3 minute 30 second on-air apology to viewers.

97 posted on 04/22/2012 6:06:12 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Sears sold a boatload of re-branded Winchesters, along with just about every other long gun manufacturer.
98 posted on 04/22/2012 7:14:19 PM PDT by kitchen (America or obama - you can't have both.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

I was yooung and dumb. Shoulda called the cops - they might have found usable DNA...


99 posted on 04/22/2012 11:42:21 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: oh8eleven

Well, they are made in Texas!


100 posted on 04/23/2012 5:21:40 AM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-104 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson