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To: IbJensen

John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, at the time when that was American territory. His father was stationed in the military there. So he was born on American soil of American parents, even though that American soil was outside the confines of the then 48 states. If that matters to anyone.


2 posted on 04/28/2012 7:47:54 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, at the time when that was American territory.”

In what hole has your head been stuck?

He was born in Colon, Republic of Panama, in Colon Hospital.

He is a dual citizen.


5 posted on 04/28/2012 8:46:43 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I have been over this and over this! NONE OF THAT MATTERS even IF it were true.

Panama was NEVER a U.S. Territory. Even IF it was (IT WASN'T) It's not the United States, it's a FOREIGN COUNTRY!

Even IF it was (IT WASN'T), John McCain was born in Colon Panama, specifically EXEMPTED from U.S. control in the Panama Canal Treaty 1903, have you read it?

He was born a “NATIVE” because of his parents heritage and service., But NOT “Natural Born” which only applies if you want to be president or vice president.

HE WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, what is so hard to understand here?

Don't give me that crap that a treaty changes the constitution.
“Did you understand what the Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question!”
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm

The Panama Canal Treaty can't change Article II. PERIOD!

If we were to sign a treaty with England (I know it's an island, humor me) to build a canal, would the framers (not farmers) approve of a president whose father was born there?

OF COURSE NOT! If you said yes, you are an a**hole. (with all due respect)

Barack Obama, (even IF he was really born in Hawaii), is the poster child for Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution. He has no real ties to the United States. His parents and grandparents were Communists. His stepfather was obsessed with anti-colonialism. Obama was raised a Muslim and STILL IS! John Jay is rolling over in his grave.

7 posted on 04/28/2012 9:06:09 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s actually a misconception - the PMC was never official US territory. Instead, it was Panamanian territory whose sovereignty was being exercised by the US on the behalf of Panama - a subtle but important distinction.


16 posted on 04/28/2012 9:24:31 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Amusing that those who have a fetish for Vattel and think one mistranslated sentence out of his book trumps all U.S. law don't seem to follow through and READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER.

Nope that one line is the end all be all for some.

Vattel said that those born to servicemen oversees are natural born citizens of the nation of their father's service.

105 posted on 04/30/2012 7:49:49 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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