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The Real Romney
American Clarion ^ | January 18, 2012 | Bob Ellis

Posted on 04/29/2012 4:25:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

The Daily Caller reports a huge 200-page research document has hit the internet, and it reveals Mitt Romney utterly and damningly for the flip-flopping opportunistic liberal that he is.

The paper was compiled during the 2008 presidential race and is believed to be from the McCain campaign (not the most conservative source itself). Among some of the interesting tidbits that blow a hole in his claims about being pro-life, pro-marriage, and generally conservative:

Abortion

• Romney says he changed his mind on abortion meeting with Harvard stem cell researcher - Romney claims the doctor said scientists "kill" embryos after 14 days, but doctor later said Romney "mischaracterized my position."
• Months after his "conversion," Romney stated his commitment to upholding Massachusetts’ abortion laws and appointed pro-choice judge to state district court.
• In October 2005, Romney signed bill expanding family planning services, including abortion counseling and morning-after pill.
• In December 2005, Romney "abruptly ordered his administration to reverse course . . . and require Catholic hospitals to provide emergency contraception medication to rape victims."
• Romney health insurance plan expanded access to abortion, required Planned Parenthood representative on state panel.
• Romney endorsed legalization of abortion pill RU-486 access during his 1994 Senate race and backed federal funding of abortion, saying "I think it’s important that people see me not as a pro-life candidate."
• In 1994 and 2002, Romney confirmed his support for Roe v. Wade decision and forcefully positioned himself as pro-choice in 1994 Senate race, saying "you will not see me wavering on that."
• Romney has refused to comment on bill pending in South Carolina legislature requiring that abortion doctors offer pregnant women option of viewing ultrasound.

Gay Rights

• Romney endorsed Rep. Barney Frank’s Employment Nondiscrimination Act in 1994.
• In 1994, Romney called "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy first step toward having gays and lesbians "able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military" and said he would provide "more effective leadership" on gay rights issues than Ted Kennedy.
• In 2003, Washington Times reported Romney "would support a Vermont-style civil union law in Massachusetts."
• As governor, Romney said health coverage benefits and hospital visitation rights should be provided to gay couples.
• Romney promised to make gay partnership benefits a "hallmark of my leadership as governor" and has said he would attend gay weddings if invited.
• Romney publicly opposed Boy Scouts’ ban on homosexuals in 1994 and 2002 campaigns.
• In 2002, Romney backed hate crimes legislation that included sexual orientation provisions.
• In 2007, Romney praised gay parent who confronted him over gay marriage issue, but in 2005 remarked to South Carolina audience that some gay couples "are actually having children" and called it "wrong."

Gun Control

• In 1994 Senate race, Romney backed Brady bill and assault weapons ban, saying "I don’t line up with the NRA" and "that’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA."
• Romney called Clinton crime bill "a big step forward."
• As governor, Romney quadrupled gun licensing fees and vowed not to "chip away" at tough gun laws
• In 2004, Romney signed permanent state-level ban on assault weapons that was mirrored after federal assault weapons ban. • In January 2006, Romney said he owned a gun - then two days later admitted he did not and the gun belonged to his son.
• Romney bragged about being member of the NRA but later revealed he didn’t join until August 2006, just before launching his presidential campaign.
• Romney recently said he’s "been a hunter pretty much all my life" but later admitted he hunted only twice in his life, later clarifying remarks by claiming he has hunted "small varmints . . . more than two times."
• In 2006 press conference, Romney claimed he had been hunting "many times" after returning from quail hunt in Georgia.

The paper also goes on to provide much greater details about these facts also. You should be sure to read the whole thing.

If Republicans allow themselves to be duped into believing Mitt "RomneyCare" Romney is a real Republican (much less a real conservative), they will be sorely disappointed if given a chance to find the truth once he’s in the White House.

If Republicans allow the "mainstream" media and RINO elites to scare them into settling for this poor excuse for a Republican, they are going to kick themselves later. With Americans having gotten a clear look at liberalism under Barack Obama and his Democrat Congress, there will never be a better time to elect a real Republican, a conservative who understands how America was designed to operate. With the damage done by liberals to our great nation, there has never been a time when we have more desperately needed a conservative who knows what makes this country tick . . . not one who will only reduce - but not stop - the level of liberal poison being injected into our society.

The truth is, Romney almost certainly will not get a chance to show his true face. Enough Republicans already understand that he’s nothing but a liberal with an "R" after his name, which means that even if people allow the "mainstream" media and the GOP establishment to fool them into supporting him in the primary, there will not be enough support from Republicans who know the truth to push him over the top in the general election. Principled Republicans will not vote for a fraud like Romney, and when "independents" are given a choice between a liberal with an "R" after his name and a liberal who proudly embraces the liberal Democrat Party, they’ll go for the genuine article every time.

Republicans, let’s throw this pretender onto the side of the road while there is still time, and choose a real Republican like Rick Santorum. Half-measures and "the lesser of two evils" will not be enough to save our ailing country; we must have decisive leadership that understands the need to return to the traditional American values that are PROVEN to work. Rick Santorum understands that; Mitt Romney just doesn’t get it.


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To: mojitojoe
Another one gone. I’m sure you are pleased. Target me next, then you can add my scalp to your belt. How does it feel to help destroy FR and run everyone off?

I didn't target anyone, I simply responded to inaccurate and false accusations.

You want to make this about me, but, and I'm assuming here because I don't know when, why, or who banned Raider Sam, but he was continually lying about my posting history and about my motives for posting the truth about Mitt Romney.

Just a guess, but that's what it looks like to me.
301 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: no dems
You need to let go of your bitterness before it kills you. Holding on to bitterness is like drinking poison and waiting for your enemy to die.

No bitterness here, just posting the truth, that you as a Mitt Romney supporter, don't want to see or hear.
302 posted on 05/01/2012 8:47:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: mojitojoe; Elsie
It’s called Not Getting Obama Re-elected PASSION! ______________________________ That’s my passion but it’s no SoConpubic’s.

Not if we have to replace him with a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal like Mitt Romney whose record is almost identical to Obama's.



"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton
303 posted on 05/01/2012 8:51:39 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Elsie

Temple Recommend Questions

13. Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?
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As a Mormon bishop Willard Mitt Romney has asked women who are not his wife this question during temple recommend interviews (alone with the woman with NO chaperone)

If a pervert Mormon bishop asked me about my underwear I would slap his face and call the cops....

What decent woman puts up with such behavior...

Whats wrong with these Mormon women ???

Do they get some kind oif kinky thrill out of being asked what underwear they have on by some supposed matinee idol looking guy who is not their husband ???


304 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Elsie

Temple Recommend Questions

13. Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?
___________________________________________

As a Mormon bishop Willard Mitt Romney has asked women who are not his wife this question during temple recommend interviews (alone with the woman with NO chaperone)

If a pervert Mormon bishop asked me about my underwear I would slap his face and call the cops....

What decent woman puts up with such behavior...

Whats wrong with these Mormon women ???

Do they get some kind oif kinky thrill out of being asked what underwear they have on by some supposed matinee idol looking guy who is not their husband ???


305 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: mojitojoe
LOL! Your past post speak for themselves as do mine. Illuminating posts? I don’t need the likes of you to illuminate me thank you very much. 95% of Freepers think you’re a troll and in fact despise you, but you already know that. You like it. Don’t bother to respond. I know what your game plan is.

How can someone who is a conservative, and a knowledgeable one at that, be so wrong?
306 posted on 05/01/2012 9:00:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: ladyvet; ejonesie22; Finny
A vote for anyone besides Romney at this point now means a vote for Obama

No, it doesn't.

By this same calculation, any vote for the 2nd-place finisher is the same as a vote for the 3rd-place finisher. Both are also-rans; and also-rans don't amount to much, do they?

Therefore,
#1...ANY vote for Romney -- should he lose -- becomes a wasted vote...
#2...Besides, most states will already be decided one way or the other -- and the grand total of FREEPERS in those given states won't swing the race one or the other...C'mon think before you actually utilize a keyboard!

Therefore, at best, there's really only a few states (PA, etc.) where any poster (like you) can even begin to stretch it re: how the FREEPER vote count in those states could possibly make a difference in the final vote count.

307 posted on 05/01/2012 9:26:33 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Raider Sam; SoConPubbie
Where are your anti-Obama threads? Or Pelosi or Reid?

Not posted to me Sam, but here's my entry. I hope it's not too harsh.

BTW, Ya knew it was only a matter of time until the Republican insiders club supported another leftist liberal.

They're all riding in the same limo Sam.

Some of you people have the political battered wives syndrome. Ya keep getting lied to, getting your teeth kicked in, bruised and busted up, but ya keep coming back for more.

Over and over.

308 posted on 05/01/2012 9:33:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Colofornian
Keep telling yourself that and put your fingers in your ears and start saying “ I can't hear you” over and over again. Some kind soul will let you know when the election is over. *Sigh*....FR..what have you done to yourself?!
309 posted on 05/01/2012 9:37:10 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: ladyvet
FR..what have you done to yourself?

I'd say most, not all, have wised up to what government and these two beltway parties have become and stand for.

It's like watching a crowd gawk at masked wrestlers, thinking it's all legitimate and real, as the opponents perform their choreographed rehearsed moves for the clueless applauding audience of fools. After the show, the opponents slug down beer, count their cash and have a big ol' belly laugh.

310 posted on 05/01/2012 9:52:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Deb
Deb...Did I tell you who I was voting for? No I did not. So playing those tactics with me aren't going to work. You assume whatever you want...next you'll be saying you read minds too.

Romney doesn't scare me any more than Obama.....both have leashes around their necks. I;m a conservative and I know what I stand on and why..... It's people who are 'fearful' who have lost sight of their principles and what we're fighting here on FR...let alone what this country is about...as one poster stated ....Stop Being Afraid!"

People appear to be so demoralized they'll do just about anything to ease the 'fears' they have.......and BTW if this nation is in such dire straits that you somehow imagine the likes of Romney will save the day....then the nation is well past being lost already.

Further..since when has any candidate won an election by his own base supporters say.."Yeah I hate him too, but"...

..."Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering 'his vote' .....that he is executing one of the most 'Solemn Trusts' in human society for which he is accountable to God.. and his country."...Samuel Adams

311 posted on 05/01/2012 10:08:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Finny
Pretty rich coming from a mindset of folks who've delcared they'd vote for an orange juice can before they'd vote for Obama. Voting for Romney would be AS STUPID as voting for an orange juice can.

LOL....I was enjoying a great cup of java after a long day and darn near saturated my computer screen with that one!

312 posted on 05/01/2012 10:13:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: Finny
I like Free Republic because I see so many smart folks spending good time identifying, analyzing, and trying to work out options and solutions with regard to that elephant in the room.

Amen back at you....exactly! ...and they'll work this one out too!

313 posted on 05/01/2012 10:18:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: Finny; Windflier
....."A whole lotta Republicans are going to swing left right along with the Party's newest WINNER!...

Judging by Romney's record and by the behavior of his core supporters, he is every bit as capable of tyranny and progressivism as Obama,... and rightly move as if he was authorized by Republican voters to be that way.

Romney is arrogant and ruthless. The real Romney is as risky as Obama.

Hear ! Hear!......we're already seeing them swing on these threads....they haven't a clue they've taken the bait.

314 posted on 05/01/2012 10:25:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: ladyvet; Finny

Come on FINNY! You want to talk about foxholes? I’ve been there and dug them and lived in them....what about you? I’ll tell you where I was for three years, can you do the same?! Tell me where you got your foxhole experience?!Your nothing but a toy soldier living in your mother’s basement you piece of crap!
____________________________________________

So tell us

Where did your Willie Mitty get his “foxhole experience” ???

Whats that ???

He never had any ???

Gosh then

you just called Wee Willie a piece of crap...


315 posted on 05/01/2012 10:30:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: SoConPubbie; All

I was a Newt supporter from the beginning but we’re stuck with Romney. None of the good Conservatives, who are “electable” (Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and Sarah Palin, to name a few) didn’t run. So, we have to play the hand we’re dealt. Our boy Newt didn’t carry the mail. He lost!!! I’m glad he’s repented, but, his slimey past and his “not so likeable” personality, finally caught up with him. The only person who has a chance to remove the Marxist Muslim from the White House is Mitt Romney. Not my choice, but I’d vote for a one-eyed, three-legged dog before I’d help Obama stay in the White House one day past January 20, 2013.


316 posted on 05/02/2012 4:14:56 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: Graybeard58
I'm not sorry to see that one go. He talked about Alinsky tactics because he was so very familiar with them.

Thank you for letting me know, but I don't do the zot posts anymore.

But here's his (Posting History)
317 posted on 05/02/2012 5:28:25 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Raider Sam

Hello, Mr. Smarty Pants zottee.

You’re the only person on earth who knows what Marxism is? That’s a laugh.

Now that you’re gone, I’ll tell you. It is part of the failed communist system of government, the overarching theory of Marx and Engels about the progression from capitalism to communism. It states that Capitalism devolves inevitably to socialism, the precursor of communism and the so-called “classless society” that is ruled by an elite few.

The fact that the devolution gets a “little” push from traitors, propagandists, and infiltrators is revealed by Alinsky’s works with which you are so very familiar, and the communist manifesto - feh.

The end result of each and every country’s attempts at establishing a communist utopia has been millions of deaths, pogroms, purges, and a ruling elite who skate around on the backs of the people, who become slaves of the collective. The utopian “classless” society turns into a murderous and oppressive dictatorship with definite classes and different rules and laws for each.

And yet they keep trying. The definition of insanity is trying something over and over trying to get a different result.

When I say someone is a marxist, I know what I’m saying, you arrogant [unladylike word]. I’m so glad you’re gone, thank God and JimRob.


318 posted on 05/02/2012 5:44:45 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ladyvet
At least we can get ready for the next election while he holds things at the staus quo and WE should be getting ready for the next election!

I so wish you had learned this four years ago.

We'd not be stuck with this Faustian Choice now!

319 posted on 05/02/2012 6:29:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Boxers or briefs?



Sometimes a cigar is NOT a cigar!

320 posted on 05/02/2012 6:32:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Dang!

That was supposed to be CLINTON!!


321 posted on 05/02/2012 6:33:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: TheOldLady
He talked about Alinsky tactics because he was so very familiar with them.

Gosh!

I'd better watch out; for so am I!

(As well as other stuff...)


Logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.
 
1. Ad Hominem - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.
Example: You are so stupid your argument couldn't possibly be true.
Example: I figured that you couldn't possibly get it right, so I ignored your comment.
 
2. Appeal to Force - Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument.
Example: If you don't want to get beaten up, you will agree with what I say.
Example: Convert or die.
 
3. Appeal to Pity - Urging the hearer to accept the argument based upon an appeal to emotions, sympathy, etc.
Example: You owe me big time because I really stuck my neck out for you.
Example: Oh come on, I've been sick. That's why I missed the deadline.
 
4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?
 
5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.
 
6. Begging the Question - Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular.
Example: God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, we know that God exists.
Example: I am a good worker because Frank says so. How can we trust Frank? Simple: I will vouch for him.
 
7. Cause and Effect - Assuming that the effect is related to a cause because the events occur together.
Example: When the rooster crows, the sun rises. Therefore, the rooster causes the sun to rise.
Example: When the fuel light goes on in my car, I soon run out of gas. Therefore, the fuel light causes my car to run out of gas.
 
8. Circular Argument - See Begging the Question
Fallacy of Division - Assuming that what is true of the whole is true for the parts.
Example: That car is blue. Therefore, its engine is blue.
Example: Your family is weird. That means that you are weird too.
 
9. Fallacy of Equivocation - Using the same term in an argument in different places but the word has different meanings.
Example: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Therefore, a bird is worth more than President Bush.
Example: Evolution states that one species can change into another. We see that cars have evolved into different styles. Therefore, since evolution is a fact in cars, it is true in species.
 
10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: You either did knock the glass over or you did not. Which is it? (Someone else could have knocked the glass over)
Example: Do you still beat your wife?
 
11. Genetic Fallacy - Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim.
Example: The Nazi regime developed the Volkswagen Beetle. Therefore, you should not buy a VW Beetle because of who started it.
Example: Frank just got out of jail last year; since it was his idea to start the hardware store, I can't trust him.
 
12. Guilt by Association - Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another.
Example: Hitler liked dogs. Therefore dogs are bad.
Example: Your friend is a thief. Therefore, I cannot trust you.
 
13. Non Sequitur - Comments or information that do not logically follow from a premise or the conclusion.
Example: We know why it rained today: because I washed my car.
Example: I don't care what you say. We don't need any more bookshelves. As long as the carpet is clean, we are fine.
 
14. Poisoning the Well - Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument.
Example: Frank is pompous, arrogant, and thinks he knows everything. So, let's hear what Frank has to say about the subject.
Example: Don't listen to him because he is a loser.
 
15. Red Herring - Introducing a topic not related to the subject at hand.
Example: I know your car isn't working right. But, if you had gone to the store one day earlier, you'd not be having problems.
Example: I know I forgot to deposit the check into the bank yesterday. But, nothing I do pleases you.
 
16. Special Pleading (double standard) - Applying a standard to another that is different from a standard applied to oneself.
Example: You can't possibly understand menopause because you are a man.
Example: Those rules don't apply to me since I am older than you.
 
17. Straw Man Argument - Producing an argument about a weaker representation of the truth and attacking it.
Example: The government doesn't take care of the poor because it doesn't have a tax specifically to support the poor.
Example: We know that evolution is false because we did not evolve from monkeys.
 
18. Category Mistake - Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. Attributing facts of one kind are attributed to another kind. Attributing to one category that which can only be properly attributed to another.
Example: Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday.
Example: Saying logic is transcendental is like saying cars would exist if matter didn't.

322 posted on 05/02/2012 6:36:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Graybeard58; Raider Sam; TheOldLady; greyfoxx39

Uh-oh someone didn’t get the “no more dancing on zot graves” memo. Now we just trash them when they can’t defend themselves semi-privately in threads with the cool kids.


323 posted on 05/02/2012 6:43:07 AM PDT by fml
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To: SoConPubbie

I pray FR gets an ignore button. It desperately needs it, especially for people like you that post the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over.


324 posted on 05/02/2012 6:59:05 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: ladyvet; Raider Sam

He was a hypocrite, a liar, a character assassin, an Alinskyite Troll who would make personal attacks against other FReepers and then whine like a child, complaining that it “interfered with discussion” when he got even a hint of it back.

I guess his behavior on this thread is acceptable to you and the others “high fiving” each other over your peurile attempts to demean and ridicule those you disagree with vs. engaging in legitimate discussion?

Yeah, that’s “conservative”.

But most of all, he was an unprincipled party hack, a pro-Romney, pro-abortion, anti-2nd amendment, socialist loving sycophant.


325 posted on 05/02/2012 7:01:22 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Elsie
Thank you! It's nice to see it all in one place. Mind if I copy it?

I may have left out a word:
"He talked about Alinsky tactics because he was so very familiar with using them." In this case, "Accuse your target of what you're doing."
326 posted on 05/02/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SoConPubbie

Thank you for your great posts...

The truth about Willard Mitt Romney needs to be exposed continually for the good of our great country...

the voters need to be warned about his anti-American politics..


327 posted on 05/02/2012 7:30:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: fml

That memo was never issued.

We can laugh and dance anytime some creep gets his posting privileges revoked.

If you’d open your eyes and stop whining about every zot, you might learn something. How you can possibly defend such a reviled disruptor troll is beyond me.

If you can’t bear a site without him, I respectfully suggest that you join him wherever he may have gone. If you can’t bear our laughter, don’t read the thread. But GET OFF OUR BACKS.

This is Free Republic, not DU or TB.


328 posted on 05/02/2012 7:36:14 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Finny
Very insightful comments,

"Judging ... by the behavior of his core supporters, he is every bit as capable of tyranny and progressivism as Obama..."

All you have to do is look at a few of the posters on this thread who are Romney sycophants to get a taste of this.

"Romney is arrogant and ruthless."

The ruthlessness displayed on this thread has already resulted in a so-called conservative getting the zot. But I suspect that many are just party loyalists and don't have the stomach nor the wherewithal to tell the e-GOP to GTH.

As for those who are resisting the "party", well look around, the vilification, the personal attacks, the demonization, the peurile and petulant behavior on display is quite enlightening and startling.

I am not having much of a problem identifying the TRUE Conservatives from the FAUX Conservatives lately.

329 posted on 05/02/2012 8:14:43 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: TheOldLady
That memo was never issued.

Ooops, my bad

We can laugh and dance anytime some creep gets his posting privileges revoked. If you’d open your eyes and stop whining about every zot, you might learn something. How you can possibly defend such a reviled disruptor troll is beyond me.

Dance all you like, it's just not becoming and I will continue to point that out. He wasn't a troll and his posts were about learning something. Turning a blind eye to facts in order to defend any position is a weakness, not a strength.

But GET OFF OUR BACKS. This is Free Republic, not DU or TB.

That's why I don't think I will,this used to be better than DU and that is no longer the case.

330 posted on 05/02/2012 8:37:12 AM PDT by fml
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To: fml; Raider Sam
"Now we just trash them when they can’t defend themselves semi-privately in threads with the cool kids."

Oh cry me an effin river. If someone doesn't want to get "trashed" without being able to defend themselves, them maybe they ought to act like civilized CONSERVATIVE adults when engaging other FReepers.

Make even a half-hearted attempt at maintaining proper decorum and their account vs. getting zotted by the mods. The fact that not only would he not, he absolutely refused to hold himself to the same standards he tried to hold others to.

331 posted on 05/02/2012 8:37:12 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: fml; TheOldLady
"Dance all you like, it's just not becoming and I will continue to point that out."

Do you go on to all of the Zot threads and point this out to all of those who "dance" when a troll gets zotted?

332 posted on 05/02/2012 8:46:53 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Nope in fact I don't think I ever have. This is the Real Romney thread, and I was learning things reading and then the zot ping was posted. So, come to think of it they were trolls.

Many have (me, too) posted that banning has gotten out of hand, and now POOF that ping list is no more. Things that make you go hmmmm?

333 posted on 05/02/2012 8:56:13 AM PDT by fml
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To: fml

Your opinion, which is disingenuous and designed to suppress what has been a FR institution since before I got here, is worthless and trollish. You’re here to make us feel bad about taking out the trash.

Your expression “not becoming,” you have stolen from me, and if you aren’t any more creative than that, then you should go back to your TB masters and tell them that you were defeated by a senile old lady.

Oh! I am just delighted to hear that you think DU is so much better than FR! I assume that since you feel that way, you will absent yourself immediately and get to that other site right away.

It would make no sense at all for you to stay here where it is so awful.


334 posted on 05/02/2012 9:04:46 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SZonian
You kid yourself. His posts were not what you pretend

Did you read them?

335 posted on 05/02/2012 9:07:59 AM PDT by fml
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To: ladyvet
You're doing your best to make this about me versus you instead of about conservatives vs liberals. Keep flailing, dear!

You never DID answer my simple question: What does Romney's Mormonism have to do with my rejecting him as a Christian because of his documented record of supporting abortion and the gay "outreach" to schoolchildren?

Hint: It's the abortion and the gay agenda that go against my Christian values; I'd reject Romney just as soundly if he was a Catholic, a Hindu, a Presbyterian, a Muslim, or a Wiccan with the same record of enabling both forms of moral abandon and depravity.

It's not about you, female veteran (you're no lady), nor is it about me. It's about the hard reality that Romney is the antithesis of a conservative.

And my point remains: whatever team you're on must be the wrong one because you are so wrong-headed, veteran or not. I thank you for your service -- however, I don't deify you for it. You are managing to do that all by yourself.

336 posted on 05/02/2012 9:19:52 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: fml

The ping list is still here. I’m waiting for you cockroaches to vacate the premises before I expose my friends to your insane complaints and whining again.


337 posted on 05/02/2012 9:40:53 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: fml; SoConPubbie

yes, I read through the whole thread...RS and a couple of others have exhibited little to no restraint in their outright contempt for SoCon...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=15#15

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=35#35

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=103#103 (cognitive dissonance, thin skinned)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=112#112 (more of the same)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=175#175 (still more of the same, a victim of his own behavior.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=180#180 (still staying on point here as well...typical Alinskyite tactic trying to force the OP to defend himself as not being a troll.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=187#187 (starting to see the trend yet?)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=195#195 (strawman, again trying to get the OP to defend himself vs. debating the OP)

And then there’s this one...a flat out distortion of the facts. How do I know? I engaged him numerous times on some of those threads and his purpose and actions were exactly what he claimed the others of.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=206#206

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2877938/posts?page=217#217 (Engaging in mocking and derisive comments without having the courage to ping those who he’s referring to. Hiding in the shadows.)

Shall I go on? Even when SoCon rebutted RS’s posts, RS moved the posts, again and again.

Sorry, I stand by my original assessment of RS that was borne out of my experiences with it (not a typo) on previous threads and topics.

YMMV and apparently it does...


338 posted on 05/02/2012 9:47:07 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Finny
Hint: It's the abortion and the gay agenda that go against my Christian values; I'd reject Romney just as soundly if he was a Catholic, a Hindu, a Presbyterian, a Muslim, or a Wiccan with the same record of enabling both forms of moral abandon and depravity.

Great, you reject him. How does voting for Obama help the very issues your so passionate about? Never mind, this is pointless. I leave you now. Buckle up because if we get four more years of Obama you ain't seen nothin' yet.

339 posted on 05/02/2012 10:00:26 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: fml; SZonian
Here's Raider Sam's (Posting History)
340 posted on 05/02/2012 10:02:14 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SZonian

ROFLMBO you sure put a lot of effort in that bunch of hooey.

It is now only more obvious the powers that be are only picking off a small portion of the “guilty”. Makes you wonder why?


341 posted on 05/02/2012 10:05:28 AM PDT by fml
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To: ladyvet
Hey, we're cockroaches per post 337

Ouch

342 posted on 05/02/2012 10:14:46 AM PDT by fml
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To: fml
You asked if I read his posts, I supported my reply and this is the response?

"ROFLMBO you sure put a lot of effort in that bunch of hooey."

See? Even now, the mocking and derisive nature comes out, you all just can't help yourselves. Thanks for helping prove my point.

If the "powers that be" are of such great concern to you, why do you remain? What keeps you here if the FR's standards are not in line with yours?

I don't wonder "why". I've been here long enough to know that there are times JR and his merry band of mods make a mistake. They have even let those posters come back when the misunderstandings were cleared up. But more often than not, they get it right.

Like I said, your mileage varies from mine.

See ya around.

343 posted on 05/02/2012 10:23:11 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: fml
Hey, we're cockroaches per post 337 Ouch

Well, that's better then being called a "MORMON" around here!

344 posted on 05/02/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: SZonian

Thank you SZonian, that was awesome and much appreciated.


345 posted on 05/02/2012 10:41:04 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SZonian
You are too sensitive, all you had to say was post yes you read his posts. Fact is you did put a lot of effort into trying to convince me of something that is not true imo and in doing so exposed the lack of constancy that now exists on FR.

The thread has turned into a paranoid us against them mob fest on the side of those who agree with Jim. Where many have been guilty of breaking the same rules you claim were the reason(s) RS was banned are still here. The situational ethics that are clearly displayed in this thread make a mockery of conservatism.

346 posted on 05/02/2012 10:46:56 AM PDT by fml
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To: fml

Sensitive? I never cease to be amazed at those who believe they are so prescient as to know what others feel or think based on a few words written on the internet. Under the circumstances and environment, anyone on FR trying to hold folks accountable to their own actions and words would have to be anything but “sensitive”.

I’m not paranoid and I’m not afraid to engage those who demand, yes, demand that I not only compromise my principles but my morals and values as well all in the name of supporting the “party”. Screw that and screw them. I’ll have none of it. I answer to a higher authority and last time I checked, none of those folks are Him.

I’ve not seen much, if any “ethics” on display on this thread by the pro-Romney crowd.

You have an issue with the dispensing of “justice” on FR? Take it up with the mods and most importantly, the owner.

I would imagine that you and others who feel like you know how to contact them to raise your concerns and objections.


347 posted on 05/02/2012 11:33:28 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: TheOldLady; Jim Robinson
The ping list is still here. I’m waiting for you cockroaches to vacate the premises before I expose my friends to your insane complaints and whining again.

Just a little helpful shout-out as to one of the problems that you might be having with the site.

I'm assuming you don't share her view.

348 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:03 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Oh, the irony)
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To: fml

Good grief. This is a CONSERVATIVE site. We don’t pander or surrender to leftist/statist abortionist RINOS!! Go somewhere else to post if you can’t handle it. In the meantime, quit pestering our conservative posters!!


349 posted on 05/02/2012 1:33:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: no dems

welcome to the Orwellian world of double-speak where campaigning against Romney also equals opposing NObama. So many people are absolutely losing it over this election and now FR seems to have lost all influence as peoples flee en masse.
The Alinsky strategy of ridicule being perpetrated across the other political forums is very damaging and my fear is that this site may never recover from the 2012 election.
that being said I am following the rules by not going to campaign for Robert but felt the need to agree with some of your sentiments.


350 posted on 05/02/2012 1:48:34 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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