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'It's no contest': Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak praises Windows phone...
DailyMail ^ | 29 Apr 2012 | Daily Mail Author

Posted on 04/30/2012 6:22:27 AM PDT by for-q-clinton

He may have co-founded the company that became Microsoft's largest competitor, but former Apple boss Steve Wozniak has glittering things to say about his former rival's mobile OS. Mr Wozniak, who co-founded Apple with the late Steve Jobs in 1976, has given a shocking endorsement of Windows' 7.5 Mango interface. The 61-year-old, who no longer works full-time for Apple, says of the four phones he travels with (including two iPhones), the Nokia Lumia makes him feel as though he is 'with a friend, not a tool'.

Shock endorsement: Steve Wozniak, who co-founded Apple with the late Steve Jobs in 1976, has offered praise of Windows' 7.5 Mango interface Shock endorsement: Steve Wozniak, who co-founded Apple with the late Steve Jobs in 1976, has offered praise of Windows' 7.5 Mango interface During an interview for podcast The Report, Mr Wozniak emptied his pockets to show he carries two iPhones, a Motorola DRIOD RAZR and a Nokia Lumia. Comparing the Lumia with his Android device, he said: 'It's no contest'.

Still, it seems the quality of the handset has not impressed the computer genius so much as to dissuade him from praising Microsoft's mobile technology. 'I’m kind of shocked,' he added of the Mango interface. 'Every screen is much more beautiful than the same apps on Android and iPhone,' he said. Co-founders: Apple's late Steve Jobs, left, and Steve Wozniak, right, pictured during the debut of the Apple II computer in 1977 Co-founders: Apple's late Steve Jobs, left, and Steve Wozniak, right, pictured during the debut of the Apple II computer in 1977 The praise may come as a surprise to Apple fans, to whom Mr Wozniak has become somewhat of a cult figure, often referred to as 'the other Steve'.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: android; apple; cellphone; iphone; microsoft; nokia; nokialumia; stevewozniak; thewoz; windows; windowsapps; windowsmango; woz; wozniak
Excerpted. He still says he uses the iphone the most, but really likes the windows phone 7 interface.
1 posted on 04/30/2012 6:22:31 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: for-q-clinton

I do too. Like the Windows interface that is.


2 posted on 04/30/2012 6:26:16 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: for-q-clinton

Really? Wow. I saw the Lumia and wasn’t all that impressed with the interface. It seemed like a fusion between the old KIN and Palm Pre’s interface. I guess if your life revolves around Facebook status updates, it is probably a good phone.

I’ll stick with Android for now.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 6:26:31 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: for-q-clinton
he carries two iPhones, a Motorola DRIOD RAZR and a Nokia Lumia.

Bottom line: iPhone beats Lumia 2-1.

4 posted on 04/30/2012 6:39:10 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

It takes 2 iPhones to equal a Lumia or a Droid.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 6:49:56 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: for-q-clinton
Mr Wozniak emptied his pockets to show he carries two iPhones, a Motorola DRIOD RAZR and a Nokia Lumia.

Four phones in his pockets? Steve, please stay close to the towers so your four phones don't have to kick into high power transmission and microwave your manhood.

6 posted on 04/30/2012 6:56:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: mnehring
I’ll stick with Android for now.

I don't see any closed system competing with open systems on a regular basis. I have to deal with windows for business reasons but there's no way I'm dealing with windows on a personal phone.

7 posted on 04/30/2012 7:04:05 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Izzy Dunne

actually it takes 2 iphones to match the lumia 900 :-)


8 posted on 04/30/2012 7:09:21 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: KarlInOhio

He was probably skiing the day of the interview and needed lots of pocket warmers.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 7:26:48 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: varmintman

I just got a iphone 4 (not the 4s), after years with a Motorola non-smart phone.

It was mostly a matter of a free phone and a throw-up-the-hands surrender on my part because I didn’t want to fall completely behind the technology curve.

I have Windows on my laptop, etc., and now I am stumbling around with the iphone, which seems fine, if rather an overkill for my needs. But I am hoping you might tell me just what is meant by ‘closed’ system vs. open...sorry for my ignorance, and if it is more than you want to go into, no problem...thanks...


10 posted on 04/30/2012 7:53:40 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: for-q-clinton

Wozniak was the real guy behind Apple. He was the tech brains, while Jobs dealt with business/corporate end.

As a tech and innovation guy, Jobs was not that shiny. And of course, when it came time for the mac platforms, what they did was more or less copy work by Xerox.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 8:19:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Fightin Whitey
I believe that ipad/iphone are considered "closed" since you can only get apps from apple itunes. With droid or windows systems, apps can be picked up from numerous sources and don't have to go through apple's screening.
12 posted on 04/30/2012 8:47:53 AM PDT by Rio
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To: mnehring

I also saw the lumia and REALLY liked it.

Enough to want to buy it for my carrier but it is not available.

Unfortunatly it seems windows phones are dead until the wp8 comes out. (and they can double their market share up to .00000000000000002% of the market. “ala poor Yorik...”)


13 posted on 04/30/2012 8:55:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Is cost/price the only factor or was there some other reason that you chose iphone 4 over 4s?

I ask because I bought a 4s last night and it should be here tomorrow.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 9:00:50 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Fightin Whitey
Generally an open system means a system which anybody can write software for or manufacture accessories for, and there are degrees of openness. LINUX is a totally open software system, the PC is open in the senses I mentioned except that Windows itself is not open and there is a constant war against standards being waged by MicroSoft.

Apple is generally the vendor of least open products. I got rid of an Iphone 4 around last November and purchased a Samsung Galaxy Android phone which I've been much happier with for several reasons, not the least of which is heat, i.e. the Samsung phone doesn't heat up after ten minutes of use.

15 posted on 04/30/2012 9:04:36 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

I like to customize my phone. You can’t do much with an iphone. Jailbreak, then load unauthorized apps and change the font.

On my Samsung Epic 4G, I rooted it and is completely customizable. I was on stock for a while, and then moved through four everyday ROMs. Each ROM made the phone seem like a new phone.

Iphone is for people with little imagination and creativity.


16 posted on 04/30/2012 9:11:27 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: for-q-clinton

FOUR PHONES???? Really?? I have to carry one and consider it a huge imposittion. I couldn’t imagine carrying around four, what a PITA that would be.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 9:41:23 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Gator113

I was in a jam, about to lose all my voicemails and other data because of a Verizon “update” in my state, and they thought they might be able to save everything if I got a new smartphone.

I went with the iphone4 just ‘cause it happened to be almost free the night they had me on the line, which was a couple nights before my data was supposed to vanish (which it did anyway).

My wife had the 4 and now she has the 4s and loved them both, the 4s in particular, so I don’t think you’ll have anything to worry about.

Here’s the deal with iphones vs. other smart phones as it was explained to me: a female cousin of mine was telling me she loved her 4s because it was so “intuitive”.

Her husband immediately jumped in and said, “That’s why I go with the ‘Droid. Women have intuitions, men have APPETITES.”

lol


18 posted on 04/30/2012 10:37:01 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: varmintman; Rio

Answered my question.

Thank you both.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 10:39:31 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Hardraade

To start with, perhaps but the history of Silicon Valley is littered with the corpses of “tech” brilliant companies that didn’t have the business side.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 2:07:15 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: newzjunkey

Yes, and Apple almost ended up a corpse. Largely thank to Jobs.

The Apple II was open, expandable, and inspired tons of innovation. Then came Lisa, which was so closed that floppies had to be sent to Apple for formatting and which had no user-reachable parts.

At that time, IBM/PC just grabbed the Apple II open architecture and has kept expanding ever since.

There’s a reason Apple succeeds. I’ll not tell you what it is :).


21 posted on 04/30/2012 2:52:26 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Fightin Whitey

Thanks...... funny ending. LOL

I should receive my 4s tomorrow..... then we will have the 4s and my DroidX to play with.

I am thinking of dumping the hardline soon...


22 posted on 04/30/2012 6:35:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113

I’d appreciate a line from you sometime, if you think of it,
telling me how you see them stacking up against each other.

Best to you.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 6:44:09 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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This will last until the next iPhone comes out, and he’ll gush all over it... and media will over-report it...


24 posted on 04/30/2012 6:48:12 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Fightin Whitey

No problem, I would be pleased to do that but you might need to remind me.... senior moments seem to come by the 6 pack these days. ;>)


25 posted on 04/30/2012 7:14:55 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Swordmaker

in case you missed this.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:31:11 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
". . . Mr Wozniak emptied his pockets to show he carries two iPhones, a Motorola DRIOD RAZR and a Nokia Lumia. Comparing the Lumia with his Android device, he said: 'It's no contest'.

Perhaps you missed that he was COMPARING the Windows phone with his ANDROID phone. . .

He has done made this statement many times. . . and stated that he STILL prefers his iPhones. Quote from the article, one you choose to ignore, in your eagerness to slam Apple:

"He did note, however, that the iPhones - one from AT&T, one from Verizon - remain his preferred mobile devices."

Apple Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

27 posted on 05/01/2012 10:14:40 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
You may want to highlight this as well:

'I’m kind of shocked,' he added of the Mango interface. 'Every screen is much more beautiful than the same apps on Android and iPhone,' he said.

28 posted on 05/01/2012 10:57:55 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Swordmaker; for-q-clinton
FYI - Reply by Woz himself to the comments on the article at http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/apple-founder-inventor-steve-wozniak-why-i-love-my-windows-phone-7-5-fan/:

Steve Wozniak April 27, 2012 at 12:00 am · Reply

Wrong. iPhone is my favorite phone. I did give my opinion that the Windows 7P phone had superior visual appearance and operation cues that were also more attractive. In my opinion, it sets the mark for user interface. I would recommend it over my Android phones given that it doesn’t yet have the breadth of apps. I surmise that Microsoft hired someone from Apple and put money into having a role in the UI and appearance of some key apps. I also surmised that Steve Jobs might have been reincarnated at MS due to a lot of what I see and feel with this phone making me think of a lot of great Apple things.

FWIW, I [TXnMA] hated its low resolution display and the rectangular pixels, but for the sheer fun of programming and getting spectacular results, my all-time favorite machine (of nearly 100) was my "Woz"-signature Apple //gs with the Apple Video Overlay (Chroma-key) Card -- stuffed with virtually every accessory sold by Applied Engineering -- and "TML Pascal".

29 posted on 05/01/2012 3:10:36 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Hardraade
what they did was more or less copy work by Xerox

It was actually quite an improvement over the Xerox work, with several new concepts. There was also genius in getting a GUI to run well in a $2,500 machine instead of the $50,000+ hardware Xerox had theirs running on.

30 posted on 05/01/2012 3:33:46 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Hardraade
Yes, and Apple almost ended up a corpse. Largely thank to Jobs.

You really don't know your Apple history. Jobs was kicked off the Lisa program and moved to head the Macintosh program, which was quite successful. He was forced out of the company in 1985, and Apple's dark ages came not long afterwards, to be resurrected after his return.

31 posted on 05/01/2012 3:44:42 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker; martin_fierro

Thanks Swordmaker.


32 posted on 05/01/2012 4:15:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Lol. The Lisa program almost killed Apple. And of course, it didn’t matter much that Jobs was “kicked off the Lisa”, Lisa was dead as a dornail on arrival :). The save was Mac, which wasn’t Jobs innovation at all, but simply an implementation of a Xerox design. It was still too narrow, and too closed, to really compete against IBM running the old Woz-like openness.

If he supplied something to Apple, it wasn’t innovation. Rather the opposite.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 4:45:33 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Hardraade
The save was Mac, which wasn’t Jobs innovation at all, but simply an implementation of a Xerox design.

The Lisa was the result of that (paid for) Xerox visit to see the Alto, which with its commercial variant the STAR was completely proprietary and closed. The Mac was a separate, later project that was very different from what Xerox had. Apple introduced new things you take for granted now, such as drag-and-drop file manipulation, pull-down menus, self-repainting windows, the generalized clipboard and much more. No, the Xerox products did not have these. And Apple did it in a fraction of the space and computing power of the Xerox products.

Sadly, what Apple left behind was the fact that it was a whole system tied together with its object-oriented language and environment called Smalltalk. That was awesome and highly innovative. However, there is no way it could have been squeezed into a $2,500 machine at the time of the Mac.

If he supplied something to Apple, it wasn’t innovation. Rather the opposite.

Jobs supplied general vision, stubbornness and extreme anal-retentiveness for product purity and design. These are what made Apple products stand apart in the end, and what drove crazy sales. Did you know that the expansion lines in the concrete sidewalk outside of a street-front Apple Store's glass are at an exact multiple of the width of the glass panels so that all the seams line up? That's just for something that's peripheral to the actual product, and they take so much care.

User-oriented attention to detail to the level of obsessive-compulsive disorder, that's what makes the products great.

34 posted on 05/01/2012 5:45:28 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: varmintman

Good point on all the definitions of openness, and a person really has to pick the ones that are important to him. Apple’s not very open on the hardware, although it uses standard computer parts. However, it is intended that accessories will be attached through the USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt ports, and that ecosystem is extremely open.

So if you need to pluck and chuck graphics cards and CPUs, Apple is probably not your thing. But if you don’t mind attaching stuff, Apple should be no problem on the hardware openness.

But when it comes to open standards, Apple tends to play very nicely. It’s certified UNIX, so you have those standards. Apple’s Safari browser is one of the most standards-compliant out there.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 6:12:37 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ted Grant
On my Samsung Epic 4G, I rooted it and is completely customizable. I was on stock for a while, and then moved through four everyday ROMs. Each ROM made the phone seem like a new phone.

Iphone is for people with little imagination and creativity.

Just keep telling yourself how imaginative and creative it is to flash ROMS and download skins. It's the gadget equivalent of the "Fast and the Furious" fans who add spoilers and glass-packs and comically large or small wheels and shake their heads at those poor blighted souls who just drive a car off the lot and don't spend their weekends with a wrench in their hands.

36 posted on 05/01/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Hardraade
As a tech and innovation guy, Jobs was not that shiny. And of course, when it came time for the mac platforms, what they did was more or less copy work by Xerox.

Uh, no. They visited PARC for a total of 16 hours, took no code, and were not allowed to take notes. Apple also PAID Xerox $1,000,000 in pre-IPO common stock, which Xerox later sold after the Apple IPO for $7 million... had they kept it, it would be worth BILLIONS today... for the rights to anything they saw on their visits.

The Apple Mac GUI is not by any stretch of the imagination copy of the smalltalk GUI of XEROX. You can look at comparisons of the two and the differences are quote striking. Apple made many innovations that are completely lacking in the XEROX GUI, such as overlapping windows, draggable windows that stay visible instead of just becoming outlines outlines during the move, drop down, hierarchical menus, Menu bars, Dragable icons, ACTIVE document icons that you can drag an app icon that opens the app, etc., and even the trashcan metaphor for deleting files. Even having folders and files in folders was an Apple invention.

There was FAR LESS copying than the myths promulgated around this than most people are lead to believe.

37 posted on 05/01/2012 9:39:15 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Hardraade
The Apple II was open, expandable, and inspired tons of innovation. Then came Lisa, which was so closed that floppies had to be sent to Apple for formatting and which had no user-reachable parts.

It did? News to me... More Myths... so little time to shoot all of them down!

38 posted on 05/01/2012 9:43:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: ReignOfError

Flashing new, superior ROMs is not like that at all.


39 posted on 05/02/2012 3:57:29 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Hardraade

Woz wanted to just give everything away. Which would have resulted in no Apple as we know it.

Apple licensed some work from Xerox who was too stupid to know what they had. But there was a hell of a lot more to the first Mac.


40 posted on 05/02/2012 3:56:56 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Ted Grant

iPhone is for people who use their imagination and creativity for something other than dicking around with an appliance.


41 posted on 05/02/2012 3:58:48 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Kirkwood
It takes 2 iPhones to equal a Lumia

Yeah, it's so good that their own shareholders are suing Nokia for fraud by claiming that Windows was an improvement.

42 posted on 05/07/2012 5:35:56 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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