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Mikhail Gorbachev, Ted Turner, Henry Kissinger Assemble to Mark Disc Release of ‘Cold War’
homemediamagazine.com ^ | April 30, 2012 | Anne Sherber

Posted on 04/30/2012 7:00:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

NEW YORK — It was hard to imagine, watching Mikhail Gorbachev and Henry Kissinger arrive at the Paley Center for Media in New York April 29, that the two grandfatherly old men were once at the very epicenter of Cold War politics. Gorbachev, once head of the notorious KGB and the USSR’s final president, and Kissinger, Nixon’s Secretary of State, often credited with and blamed for U.S. involvement in Vietnam, were at the Center to support the May 8 Warner Home Video DVD release of Cold War ($68.92).

The series, which was produced by and broadcast on CNN in 1998, was the brainchild of Ted Turner. According to Sir Jeremy Isaacs, the series’ executive producer, Turner’s motivation was his concern that history would not do justice to what he saw as a seminal period of history during which the USSR and the United States both developed the ability to end life on earth.

“Ted Turner said to me, ‘our grandchildren will not understand what the Cold War was. It will be a paragraph in a history book,’” Isaacs recalled.

According to Isaacs, who also produced The World at War, another epic documentary series that exhaustively chronicles a specific period of history, the original plan for the series was that it would be 40 episodes long, one for each year of the era. The running time was eventually halved, but Turner ultimately added four additional episodes. According to Pat Mitchell, who served as co-executive producer of the series and is now CEO of the Paley Center, a museum of broadcast media, it is already used extensively at universities and libraries as a teaching tool and is one of the most requested titles by visitors to the Paley Center.

Gorbachev, who presided over the dismantling of the Soviet Union and who was interviewed at length and figures prominently in the series’ last four episodes, said through a translator that although he occasionally had questions about the filmmakers’ perspective, he was impressed with the program’s comprehensiveness, overall.

“To some extent, one viewpoint seems to prevail,” he said. “But the series is very informative. It draws a line under all those conflicts that brought us several times to the edge of the destruction of civilization.”

Both Turner and Isaacs said that the DVD release of the documentary, which is narrated by Kenneth Branagh, is a case of a film that was waiting for a format. Isaacs noted that to prepare to answer questions about the series, he recently watched it from beginning to end and was struck by its depth.

“Some of the episodes are so packed with information that you have to concentrate to really understand,” he said.

The ability of disc viewers to maneuver through the series at their own pace makes the experience of watching much more rewarding, he said.

“DVD may be the medium for which Cold War was best made,” Isaacs noted.

Turner also was impressed when he revisited the series.

“I’m proud to have come up with the idea for the series and proud that it was executed so well,” Turner said. “Of all the documentaries that I have produced, I am proudest of this one.”

Warner Home Video plans to market Cold War to universities and museums. But, according to Rosemary Markson, SVP of TV and special interest marketing at Warner Home Video, the company also will be reaching out to mass-market outlets.

“It’s perfect for Father’s Day,” Markson said.


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1 posted on 04/30/2012 7:00:26 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kissinger, Nixon’s Secretary of State, often credited with and blamed for U.S. involvement in Vietnam

By whom, historical ignoramuses?

2 posted on 04/30/2012 7:12:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I heard Osama was unarmed and carrying a bag of "Skillets candy" when Obama shot him.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Losers all three of them


3 posted on 04/30/2012 7:23:25 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Gorbachev, once head of the notorious KGB and the USSR’s final president,

Gorbachev was never the head of the KGB.

4 posted on 04/30/2012 7:32:53 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I wonder how much credit President Ronald Reagan is given for the victory of the West over Moscow?

My guess? Not much.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 7:37:40 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Nixon’s Secretary of State, often credited with and blamed for U.S. involvement in Vietnam...

That's awesome. I credit/blame JFK for dropping the bomb on Japan.

6 posted on 04/30/2012 7:38:49 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: mkjessup

Like it never happened..


7 posted on 04/30/2012 7:47:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Exactly. The undiscerning among us (which accounts for much of what passes for modern American society these days) will accept this load of revisionist crap as if it were the gospel truth.

ANYthing with Ted Turner’s hands on it has to be viewed with suspicion, if for no other reason: he’s effin NUTZ.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 7:51:32 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Every time I see Gorbachev, I can't help but revisit this little piece of 1988.
9 posted on 04/30/2012 7:57:08 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: mkjessup

Correcto!


10 posted on 04/30/2012 8:23:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Somebody really blew the casting on this one!!!


11 posted on 04/30/2012 10:31:56 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Negativity must die because it's self-fulfilling!!!)
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To: mkjessup

There was no ‘victory’.

The fall of the Berlin Wall and subsequent events were merely the kicking of the communists bees nest to let them swarm all over the world, especially the United States to wreak the havoc of communism on America.

Gorbachev was GIVEN a piece of the San Francisco Presidio for his home base (ironic or premeditated?). He established Green Cross International for the theft of water rights in the US and preceded to corrupt municipal governments into selling water rights to foreign entities.

He has participated in many global government initiatives and walks a free man in spite of his treasons against the US since taking residence here.

I am personally convinced that the fall of the Berlin Wall was solely to send communists out from Russia where they had been contained the whole cold war, out in to the free world to destroy it.

Evidence of this is identified in the current occupant of the white house.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 10:48:31 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; stephenjohnbanker
Well in your world, I suppose that means that Ronald Reagan was just one more useful idiot in the
international Communist conspiracy, right?

Why of course, Reagan was just an amiable dunce, a figurehead for the regime of New World Order
villain George H.W. Bush, who was really running the show from '81 to '89, turned over the reins to
his adopted brother Billy Jeff in '93, who proceeded keep the seat warm until the Son of Bush was
given the ok by our Communist masters in Moscow to begin the preparation process for Comrade
0bama to inaugurate our final demise in January 2009. They're all working together. How could we
not see? Welllll, it's been nice chatting with you but don't let us keep you from your work, c'ya!!

13 posted on 05/01/2012 3:21:16 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: All

I remember this series. I was able to view some of them but I remember there was a bias and I tuned it out. I’d be curious to see the whole thing again.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 3:52:59 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: mkjessup

Is Alinsky all you’ve got?


15 posted on 05/01/2012 7:49:18 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mkjessup

It is amazing to me that Turner managed to make 4 billion dollars, while having been insane his entire life ..including college : )


16 posted on 05/01/2012 10:48:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Is Alinsky all you’ve got?

I got your 'alinsky' right >>>> HERE <<<<

Go screw yourself.
17 posted on 05/01/2012 10:57:49 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

What a nice way to make your point! We should all take lessons.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 12:41:00 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

The point is on the top of your head. Maybe you need to spend more time pondering the conspiracy theories of Alex Jones ok?


19 posted on 05/01/2012 12:47:23 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup
Although critics have accused the Park Service of dragging its feet, they do credit park officials with one thing: securing Mikhail S. Gorbachev as the Presidio's first civilian tenant.

In a dedication ceremony in April, the former Soviet President and his wife were given the keys to a Coast Guard officer's house, where they will run the Gorbachev Foundation, which will conduct research on global political and environmental issues.


Conspiracy theory slams as sooo Alinsky.

Can't you converse like a normal American?
20 posted on 05/01/2012 2:00:00 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You assign way too much significance to the former Soviet leader who was most likely on the CIA payroll, or didn't you hear about that?

The fact that Gorbachev has a foundation, has been a resident of the United States for years, is hardly proof that the collapse of Soviet communism was part of some global conspiracy.

Your first mewling about all this conspiratorial nonsense was "I am personally convinced that the fall of the Berlin Wall was solely to send communists out from Russia where they had been contained the whole cold war, out in to the free world to destroy it."

Do you have ANY idea of just how insane that sounds? The Berlin Wall fell because millions of formerly enslaved East Germans decided that it was time to be FREE.

Give your head a shake.
21 posted on 05/01/2012 2:08:27 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

In the world of global communism, the fact that our politicians took down the guardians of the Golden Gate, our military that was present since California became a state, by shutting down the Presidio, Ft Baker and the military facilities on the Marin headlands, for their phony “peace” movement, only shows their strength against America. To cement their relationship as the superiors to our congress persons, the first thing granted this communist dictator is the keys to the Coast Guard commanders house as the first ‘tenant’ of the fallen military base.

You claim there is no significance to this? I don’t think you are so naive.

You know nothing about his ‘foundation’ the Green Cross International— any thinking person knows the green movement was the renamed national socialist party in Germany when it was formed in the 1960s.

You don’t get what this ‘foundation’ did to destroy local water rights and water infrastructure here by corrupting local politicians to act in the interest of the foundation, and not serve the people who elected them. This technique is one used in the Ukraine to topple the government there so the Soviets could take over.

So let a communist dictator take from the American taxpayer a mansion on the most valuable parcel of land in the city of San Francisco. Let them thrive by leeching off our tax money and our economy while American citizens get poorer, and our infrastructure is destroyed. That’s how the global communists are winning and you abet them with your speech.

Let him run a tax free foundation from his free house courtesy of the Californian and American taxpayers.

I’d say communists are doing quite well thanks to the cessation of the cold war. Communism isn’t a failed system, it is hale and hearty because the cold war ended.


22 posted on 05/01/2012 11:39:09 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Well you let me know when you’re about to lead the charge and I’ll open up my arsenal (and that’s no joke either) and you’ll discover the difference between those poor bastards in the Ukraine and US (as in “U.S.”).

Quite frankly, I don’t consider Gorbachev being a tenant on the former Presidio as ominous as you do. Actually I view Gorbachev’s becoming a resident on a past historic U.S. military base as being rather humiliating from a dedicated Communist’s perspective. But that’s just me.

Since you are clearly highly informed on this topic, how about providing some documentation between ‘Green Cross International’ and the ‘Green (Nazi) Movement’ in Germany? If there is truly a demonstrable link, by all means let’s spread the word.


23 posted on 05/02/2012 3:32:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup
Quite frankly, I don’t consider Gorbachev being a tenant on the former Presidio as ominous as you do. Actually I view Gorbachev’s becoming a resident on a past historic U.S. military base as being rather humiliating from a dedicated Communist’s perspective. But that’s just me.

Let's see, misappropriation of tax payer owned property, misappropriation of taxpayer money, military protection now completely missing from the pacific coast except at San Diego and Seattle (long coastline without military support),tax free status for a corporation designed to usurp sovereignty and the Constitution, the list goes on forever.

But to a globalist, hunky dory let the corrupt federal government give away American resources to communist dictators, because the globalists infesting our government love communists and want them to thrive. Your comments violate very basic principles of the American way.

That Presidio dwelling is a spoil of war, that was ceded to the communist. The fact that it is a former military base is another humiliation to Americans, as it was designed to be.

And now we are seeing the globalists threaten Americans with use of deadly force to protect their globalist military entity NATO when they come to America for another sovereignty destroying 'summit'.

Americans are being trashed, plundered and humiliated at every turn by the globalists, but you think nothing of it. Hmmmm.
24 posted on 05/02/2012 7:22:43 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: dead
That's awesome. I credit/blame JFK for dropping the bomb on Japan.

I thought he dropped the bomb on the Germans, served those Krauts right, for bombing Pearl Harbor.

25 posted on 05/02/2012 7:28:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Your view of your local situation (being that you're in Californication anyway) is quite parochial. If We The People were to march on the Presidio today, and demand that it be turned over to us, assuming we were not mowed down by automatic weapons fire, tell me how such a punitive measure would advance the cause of restoring our Constitutional Republic?

Nobody is going to argue with you that our imperial masters in Washington are corrupt as the day is long, just kindly explain to me and everyone else why the first shot in our new War of Independence should be fired on the Presidio, ok?

In that same vein, WTF have you been doing to turn things around regarding this affront to our national pride, honor and sovereignty?

If you're looking for a fight, that's fine but I can think of far worthier and rewarding targets than the one you've got in mind.

Get back to me.
26 posted on 05/02/2012 9:56:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup
Those who hope that we shall move away from the socialist path will be greatly disappointed. Every part of our program of perestroika...is fully based on the principle of more socialism and more democracy."
Mikhail Gorbachev Perestroika - New Thinking for Our Country and the World 1988


Yeah, let the kindly old dictator have his free housing and tax free corporation collection billions of dollars to ease his retirement from the Soviet Union.

In globalist speak-- never punish anyone that has pushed the globalist agenda. They are sacrosanct, and Americans must continue to be destroyed to protect their footmen.
27 posted on 05/02/2012 2:07:44 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Well enough talk, why don’t you just track down Gorby and kick his old Communist ass?


28 posted on 05/02/2012 2:55:51 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

He should be tried in a court of law,and put in jail for his treason. He should be forced to pay back what he has stolen from the American people. Every county or city ordinance based on this foundations global socialist agenda should be revoked so that freedom can once again reign in this country.

BTW, it is a typical communist technique to try to incite people to riot.

I don’t have any idea who you are, but what do you hope to accomplish with your comments?


29 posted on 05/02/2012 3:02:58 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mkjessup
"What we're talking about is creating new forms of life on the basis of new values."

Mikhail Gorbachev From Red to Green Audubon magazine 1994

Since the environment affects all peoples, everywhere, all the time, it became the obsessive cause of the old line Marxists including former communist dictator Mikhail Gorbachev. Gorbachev is the president of the International Green Cross, an organization he founded in 1993 to prevent the world from committing ³eco-suicide² with headquarters in San Francisco. Some call it the watermelon effect because it is green on the outside and red on the inside.

Gorbachev and Strong have been unrelenting in their long march to achieve the redistribution dreams for absolute equity for the masses in hopes of positioning themselves and their friends as the ruling elite. And they have had a lot of help from wealthy American Steven Rockefeller who joined in writing and then pushing with evangelical zeal this redistribution agenda in a constitution-like document for a New World Order called the Earth Charter (http://www.earthcharter.org ).

30 posted on 05/02/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
...it is a typical communist technique to try to incite people to riot.

Who's inciting? I'm not inciting a damn thing, you however are long on ranting, and short on actual solutions to what is in your mind a high priority issue. All I said was that if this is as critical to you as your comments suggest, perhaps you should just go have a little talk with Gorby yourself? Or with his staff. Either way, I'd love to hear about how it turns out for you.

He should be tried in a court of law,and put in jail for his treason.

Draw up a draft indictment and specify how Gorbachev has committed those acts of treason, and perhaps you could explain to us what jurisdiction and prosecutor would be most likely to pursue such an indictment. How's that for starters?

(by the way, you DO know that in order to be charged with 'treason', that it would very likely be necessary to establish that Gorbachev was a citizen of the United States, you DO know that right?)

He should be forced to pay back what he has stolen from the American people. Every county or city ordinance based on this foundations global socialist agenda should be revoked so that freedom can once again reign in this country.

How much has he stolen? Could you toss us a ballpark figure perhaps? To tell you the truth, I had no idea that if Gorby could just be convicted in court, forced to pay a whackload o' money, that "freedom can once again reign in this country", and here I thought we had to get the Kenyan Usurper out of the White House to accomplish that?

Damn, you're full of surprises.
31 posted on 05/02/2012 3:24:51 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

You really do relish the situation the globalists have forced on American citizens.

I could quote you telling me to go commit and act of violence, but I won’t.

I can’t tell if you’re a New School type or just a product of the communist dominated public education system. Either way, you don’t sound very American.


32 posted on 05/02/2012 4:20:41 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; stephenjohnbanker
You're just begging for attention, you're irked that I don't buy into your Gorbyphobia. You obviously don't know jackshit about me, or else you wouldn't be slinging that nonsense around about "you don't sound very American", that's just your pathetic way of trying to goad someone into continuing to converse with you, just like the inmates in an asylum keep trying to convince the orderlies that they really are Napoleon Bonaparte.

We're done here, and in closing I note that you have been unable to respond with the specific allegations of 'treason' that Gorbachev has committed, nor have you even made an attempt to detail how much money he's 'stolen', this only demonstrates that you're not interested in rational discussion, you're a ranter and yes: a conspiracy nut. There are plenty of conspiracies in the world, you can believe that, but America prevailing over the Soviet Union in the Cold War was not, and is not one of them.

I'm pinging a good FRiend of mine to this thread, maybe you'll enjoy ranting at him for a while.

Adios!
33 posted on 05/02/2012 4:43:14 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

You contend Gorbachev is harmless and that stealing from the American people is something that is A OK with you, if its a rotten globalist doing it.

Your coarse language and immediate insults put you in a very low class.

Nothing can ever get accomplished in the name of preserving this country when there are Alinsky trained disruptors who slaughter every conversation on important topic with insults and rudeness. It is how the communists took over my local school district, I have seen it in many a public meeting and its shameful that there cannot be public discourse about the harm the globalist agenda has caused this country.

Now go get help from your friend.


34 posted on 05/02/2012 5:03:34 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mkjessup

It was a pinko party celebrating their strategy of putting the dumb Americans to sleep. Communism is dead...not. Reagan would not have been invited to this mash-up if he were living.


35 posted on 05/02/2012 5:17:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: hedgetrimmer; mkjessup

” Nothing can ever get accomplished in the name of preserving this country when there are Alinsky trained disruptors who slaughter every conversation on important topic with insults and rudeness”

You got the wrong guy.


36 posted on 05/02/2012 6:32:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Your comment makes no sense.


37 posted on 05/02/2012 8:14:11 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: newnhdad

IIRC there is a general moral equivalence made. We had Kent State. They had the Gulag. Such propaganda has filled young minds for two generations. Very sad.


38 posted on 05/02/2012 8:25:20 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"Nothing can ever get accomplished in the name of preserving this country when there are Alinsky trained disruptors who slaughter every conversation on important topic with insults and rudeness"
You got the wrong guy.


This is a growing phenomenon that falls into the category of posters being unable to discuss or debate the issues. First of all, as one of my past taglines states "Politics ain't beanbag" (Finley Peter Dunne) and that means that if somebody wants Robert's Rules of Order, or the Marquis of Queensbury rules applied as if this were some high falutin' debating society, they're in the wrong forum. Most of the time, I find it easy to discuss whatever topics come up with whoever wants to discuss them, and it's all done in a friendly and cordial manner.

THEN, there are those few posters who grab hold of an issue and believe THEIR issue is the most important one out there, that THEIR issue should have priority over any other issue (example: insane fixations over former Soviet leaders), and if you don't agree with them, if you just bluntly tell them what a dumb ass they are, they automatically default to that whole "oh! oh! you're an Alinsky apostle! oh! oh!" and all they're doing is lamely trying to evade a simple truth, i.e., they ARE a dumb ass! lol

Too many posters embrace that limp comeback, invoking the name and tactics of a Communist (Alinsky) when it doesn't even apply. They find themselves unable to defend their position, so they take the easy way out, call whoever disagrees with them "un-American" or a follower of "Alinsky", while deluding themselves with the fantasy that they are SO superior because of whatever issue it is they are championing.

As I mentioned earlier, there are lots of conspiracies in this world, all kinds of nefarious plots, some we'll discover, some we'll never know about, but I know this: the collapse of Soviet Communism as practiced in Russia was NO conspiracy, it was the inevitable result of ONE U.S. President, Ronald Reagan, who had the vision, the guts, and the perseverance to see the Cold War through to it's end, and America WON that conflict, the Soviet regime fell to pieces just like a poorly manufactured ZIL automobile.

But to summarize? When someone is losing an argument, and cannot back up their claims, they will invariably start throwing tantrums accusing their opponents of being 'disruptors', 'alinskyites', etc., and all that proves is that they shouldn't have opened their pieholes in the first place, lol
39 posted on 05/03/2012 5:41:13 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

Oh, so Gorbachev doesn’t have a home on the Presidio? He doesn’t run Green Cross International? What facts were not presented?

I find it amusing that you claim you like a ‘friendly’ discussion. You never discussed anything. You just started posting insults. You were never friendly or cordial.

Now you have to call in a ‘friend’ so you can continue your tirade, but fail to address me, which I have been told is a violation of the forum etiquette.

Inviting communists into your country at taxpayer expense is like inviting a pedophile to babysit your children. Harm will be done as has been illustrated over and over again on this forum.

Ending the cold war turned out to be a very bad thing for the American people. It has helped the free traitors make their communist buddies very wealthy though, I have to admit.


40 posted on 05/03/2012 7:36:05 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; stephenjohnbanker
Oh, so Gorbachev doesn’t have a home on the Presidio? He doesn’t run Green Cross International? What facts were not presented?

How about your providing a figure on how much money Gorbachev has "stolen" (your word), and explaining how he is to be indicted for "treason" when he a.) is not a citizen and b.) hasn't met the definition for treason, since you are unable to expand on your allegation. Furthermore, you have failed to present a clear and demonstrable link between 'Green Cross International' and the 'Green Nazi Movement' in Germany you claim exists.

I find it amusing that you claim you like a ‘friendly’ discussion. You never discussed anything. You just started posting insults. You were never friendly or cordial.

That's because your post #12 started off with a conspiratorial presumption that America did NOT win the Cold War, which is a damnable lie. I responded with a humorous post and graphic depicting you as a tin foil hat wearing hedgetrimmer (personally created with no small effort I might add) and demonstrating exactly what I was talking about in my post #39, rather than attempt to prove the validity of your views, to produce evidence of your claims, you defaulted to mewling about 'alinsky' and my follow up response was more than appropriate. Sorry if I offended your oh-so-delicate sensitivities Madam.

Now you have to call in a ‘friend’ so you can continue your tirade, but fail to address me, which I have been told is a violation of the forum etiquette.

So bloody what? I'll ping anyone I please, and you don't have a damn thing to say about it. StephenJohnBanker and I had already been sharing a private FReepmail chuckle about you, so it was a courtesy to him. Your only response to him was that his comment "didn't make any sense". As for "violating forum etiquette" (**GASP**), I responded to SJB's post, not to you, and you can take your indignation, roll it into a fine tube, and insert it in whichever one of your orifices will accommodate it, how's that?

And oh yes: ROTATE on it.

Inviting communists into your country at taxpayer expense is like inviting a pedophile to babysit your children. Harm will be done as has been illustrated over and over again on this forum.

Now pay close attention here: WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE TO DO ABOUT IT? You keep ranting, you keep beating the drum, now tell us WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION and HOW DO YOU INTEND TO IMPLEMENT IT?

Ending the cold war turned out to be a very bad thing for the American people. It has helped the free traitors make their communist buddies very wealthy though, I have to admit.

So what you are saying then, is that you would prefer to live in a world where the Berlin Wall never fell, Gorbachev was overthrown in that coup attempt by the military, perhaps Vladimir Putin eventually assumed the Chairmanship of the Politburo, the East European slave states of the Soviet Union remained under the control of Moscow, the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania never became free, Ceausescu in Romania was never overthrown but increased his dictatorial oppression of his people, the Ukraine (which you mentioned) remained firmly in the grip of the Soviets, and let's not forget that North Korea continued to receive substantial assistance from their Communist neighbor, and to wind this up, you believe that it would be a better world to have a fully armed and prepared Soviet nuclear arsenal maintained, and aimed at the United States?

That's the kinda world you're embracing if you think the end of the Cold War was a "very bad thing for the American people". If you really believe that, you're not just a nut, you're an EFFIN' nut!
41 posted on 05/03/2012 9:44:46 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

We won the Cold War, yes.

I’m more worried about us now : )


42 posted on 05/03/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: mkjessup
America did NOT win the Cold War

Which is exactly why we have a marxist president, a point with which YOU agree.

If we had won, we wouldn't be giving taxpayer subsidized welfare to ousted communist dictators, we wouldn't be shipping our manufacturing sector to China to enrich the chinese communists, we wouldn't be teaching our citizens to be communists in our elementary schools, high schools and universities, we wouldn't be putting people on the supreme court who don't believe in the Constitution and changed curriculum at Harvard for law students to focus on international law.

And Madam? Where did that come from?

You're too caught up in your own ranting.
43 posted on 05/03/2012 12:03:41 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You are attempting to add 2 + 2 and expect everyone to believe that the answer is "22".

America DID win the Cold War, regardless of your delusions to the contrary, the fact that we have a Kenyan Marxist in the White House is due more to the fact that both 'Rat and RINO (formerly 'Republican') Parties are just left and liberal wings of the same political organization. The GOP nominated a total phuckwit in '08, who all but applauded 0bama and were it not for Sarah Palin, McStain would have lost in an electoral landslide. Add to that the fact that George W. Dum-Dum governed as a liberal RINO, did nothing and said nothing even mildly critical of the Kenyan Kid, and you have another reason why 0bama Mugabe is now in charge.

Now you obviously have a hard on for 'ousted communist dictators', so just for grins, who are the OTHER dictators that you contend are receiving welfare? Gorby obviously has your number because I don't have to see you on video to know that you're foaming at the mouth about him. You just might want to reassess your hatred of the guy, because if someone like Yuri Andropov or God forbid Vladimir Zhirinovsky had been in charge in the final days of the Soviet Union, there is a real possibility they might have chosen a preemptive nuclear strike on the West in a desperate attempt to preserve their own political power, as it turned out, America did win the Cold War, and we won it without firing a shot, and you can thank Ronald Reagan for that.

As for my use of the term 'Madam'?

Your own wild ranting suggested that you're a woman suffering from estrogenic exasperation.

You're too caught up in your own ranting.

Projecting again, I see.

How are you coming on that 'treason indictment' for Gorby? And have you determined just how much money ol' ink stain has "stolen" yet?

Let us know.
44 posted on 05/03/2012 12:36:47 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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I will speak very slowly so that you can understand.

The cold war was to p r e v e n t communism from spreading.

It e n d e d.

Now communism is g l o b a l, and communist dictators are the nouveau riche.

Now we have a marxist communist r u n n i n g our country.

You say we won?

U n b e l i e v a b l e.
45 posted on 05/03/2012 2:10:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
The Cold War was started by the now defunct Soviet Union after World War II ended.

The Soviet Union was 'Communist HQ' from the time of the original revolution in 1917 until it's collapse in 1991.

Throughout the decades of the Cold War, American Presidents took the damnable approach of 'detente' in one form or another which essentially legitimized the regime in Moscow, it took a patriot like Ronald Reagan to be elected President, and adopted the approach of "we win, they lose". And he delivered.

What you can't seem to comprehend is that the long post war struggle between the Soviet Union and the United States is what comprised the 'Cold War' and the fact that the Soviet system collapsed at the end of that struggle means that (pay close attention now) WE WON THAT CONFLICT.

Now any moron can spout about Communists here, and Communists there, and you're always going to have Communists scurrying about the globe just like cockroaches, but the Big Mama Cockroach (the Soviet Union) DIED, and you can try and paint it any way you want to, but history will not be changed just because you're crappin' your panties about Gorbachev living at the Presidio.

We may have a Marxist in the White House, but that is not the result of the Cold War ending on unfavorable terms to us. How about you just explaining to everyone just what the Hell you propose to do about this crisis of global communism that you speak of?
46 posted on 05/03/2012 2:28:06 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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Please put on your thinking cap. I’m going to tell you something very important by asking a question.

Who writes the history books? Is it the winners or the losers?

Now look at the men who are behind this ‘history’ dvd.

Mikhail Gorbachev and Henry Kissinger and Ted Turner.

I’ll clarify, global communist, global socialist and global socialist.

Who won the cold war? Who is going to take their propaganda as the truth?

BTW every last one of these men want America disarmed. Gorbachev in 2005 said his benefactor country, the one that gave him his retirement home and global socialist NGO tax free, America, is sick because of our nuclear weapons.

What do you think of that? Can you comprehend what it means when the communists are writing our history for us, and putting their propaganda in the passive subversion that movies and television can create?


47 posted on 05/04/2012 7:54:22 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; All
Please put on your thinking cap. I’m going to tell you something very important by asking a question.

Oh go for it.

Who writes the history books? Is it the winners or the losers?

I'll answer your question WITH a question: have you Googled up the term 'Cold War' to see what has been written about who won, and who lost? Or perhaps try looking up 'Reagan Doctrine' which replaced 'containment' of the Soviets with 'rollback' of Soviet influence on a global basis. Your 'winners or losers' writing history cliche' is meaningless in this instance because no cliche' is going to change history, is going to resurrect the Soviet politburo, or the masses of apparatchiks desperately trying to keep that failing Soviet military-industrial machinery running.

Now look at the men who are behind this ‘history’ dvd.
Mikhail Gorbachev and Henry Kissinger and Ted Turner.
I’ll clarify, global communist, global socialist and global socialist.

To which I say "so effin what?" The fact is, those three jokers have done nothing more than create a commercial product in a still somewhat free market, nobody is being forced to look at their DVD, nobody is being forced to accept the views and conclusions of their DVD. Is anyone holding a gun to your head and saying "believe Comrades Gorbachev, Turner & Kissinger" or else we send you on one way ticket to Gulag?"

No, I didn't think so.

Who won the cold war? Who is going to take their propaganda as the truth?

AMERICA won the Cold War, and that historical fact was established long ago. As for 'who' will accept the G, T & K DVD as truth? Some will, some won't, it will be embraced by those on the left, and utterly rejected by those with any common sense at all who will see through the propaganda.

BTW every last one of these men want America disarmed. Gorbachev in 2005 said his benefactor country, the one that gave him his retirement home and global socialist NGO tax free, America, is sick because of our nuclear weapons.

So what? It's a free country, let 'em believe what they want to believe, let them spew their propaganda. Do you think they should be shut up, censored and gagged? That doesn't sound like an American to me, that actually sounds like a crypto-Communist who wants to muzzle those who don't agree with their views.

What do you think of that? Can you comprehend what it means when the communists are writing our history for us, and putting their propaganda in the passive subversion that movies and television can create?

I think that if one DVD has created that sort of paranoia in your mind, if you believe that one DVD represents a total "writing our history for us", you might as well head for the hills and start digging yourself a bunker because Gorby, Ted and Hank are living inside your brain rent-free.

Now put on YOUR 'thinking cap' and ponder that this weekend.
48 posted on 05/05/2012 1:50:43 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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Reagan Doctrine is the ‘’rollback’ of Soviet influence on a global basis.’ Is that why a Soviet is writing the history of the cold war for the consumption of the American public?

There is no ‘rollback’ of Soviet influence on a global basis, they have expanded their base to the US and are now part of the American media.

As for ‘googling’ cold war, this article and my comment, is about a group of communists producing a propaganda video about the cold war that you seem to think is A OK.

What’s in it for you, to have this country subverted to communism?


49 posted on 05/05/2012 7:45:48 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks for confirming what I first suspected:

You’re a WHACKJOB.


50 posted on 05/05/2012 9:26:23 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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