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To: philman_36

“It’s saying, ‘Hey, driver, the speed limit is 30 MPH. If you don’t want a ticket don’t speed. If you do a fine will be levied.’
In other words...If you’re here legally and you have a child here they’re going to have U. S. citizenship whether you want them to or not.”

That’s what it says to the parents. What does it say to the child? That if his parents meet the criteria, it is a citizen. Why are you restricting yourself to the parents’ perspective? The law may not be comprehensible to the child, but it will control his future, and therefore does apply to it.

“Where does the law say that? Can a law apply to a person who isn’t born? How is that possible?”

That isn’t possible. It can, and does, apply to people upon being born. Apparently you think that because they can’t read it and be advised of consequences, like the parents, before being born, it somehow doesn’t apply to them. But you don’t have to read a law for it to be applicable. That’s why ignorance of the law is no excuse. It’ll apply to you whether it’s said “Hey” to you or not.


246 posted on 05/01/2012 5:32:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
What does it say to the child?
It says...your parents were complete idiots who were ignorant of the law, which is no defense, for not being aware that you were automatically going to be designated a U.S. citizen when you were born.
249 posted on 05/01/2012 5:45:40 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tublecane
Where does the law say that? Can a law apply to a person who isn’t born? How is that possible?

That isn’t possible.
Yet you continue to argue that it is possible! Amazing!

It can, and does, apply to people upon being born.
But...but...you just said that isn't possible!
And since they're citizens, since they're already born, then how can a law dealing with aliens and nationality govern them as they're not, and never were, aliens and their nationality is already established as being legal citizens?

I would agree that it's "applicable upon" them when they're born, but I can't agree that it "applies to" them either before, or after, they're born.
It will always "apply to" the alien parents.

If you don't want to your kid to gain automatic U.S. citizenship while you are legally in this nation then get out before the delivery date.

253 posted on 05/01/2012 5:55:54 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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