I also don’t understand, way back when this all started, you insisted on saying the law only applies to aliens when clearly it is “applicable upon” citizen children.
Because it does only apply to aliens. Their children never were aliens, and that being from the moment of their birth!
Couldn’t you have mentioned it was applicable upon citizens from the start and saved us a lot of trouble?
You should have been smart enough to have figured that out. Instead you go on and on and on and...well, you get the picture.
It’s about the parents insofar as it’s about their children.
I see you're qualifying your statements again.
It’s about the children citizens...
No, it's about a choice the child's alien parent/s have and the law is informing them of the consequences of their actions. Have the child in the US or have it elsewhere...plain and simple.
...it establishes their citizenship status and is “applicable upon” them.
If the child's parents don't know what the law is and the child is born in the US, then their child will be, automatically, designated a US citizen, thus making the law "applicable upon" the child, not the parent. The parent/s have to go through a different set of hurdles to become U.S citizens and they also will never be natural born citizens despite becoming citizens as they too are naturalized.
And that's for legal aliens, like students, in case you've missed that tidbit along the way.
No natural born citizens have control over where they’re born.
Well if they weren't born in the nation of their citizen parents they wouldn't even be natural born citizens, would they?
Your thinking the law applies only to parents because they’re the only ones who can do anything about it before the child is born is the epitome of obtuseness.
So who does have control over where the child is born? The when is usually pretty easy to figure out within a month or two.
“You don’t seem to understand a lot of things even when it’s explained to you.”
But not in this case, as explanations aren’t forthcoming. Except, that is, via bad metaphors.
“Because it does only apply to aliens”
Oh, yes, it “is applicable upon” citizens. Also, mouglidoodah, and fleeblepoo.
“Their children never were aliens”
So what?
“and that being from the moment of their birth!”
So what?
“You should have been smart enough to have figured that out”
No I shouldn’t, since it’s both untrue and makes no sense. But even if it did, it’s subtle enough a point to deserve elucidation before several points and many minutes, maybe hours, into the argument. Methinks you probably made it up as you went along, which is why it popped up so late in the game.
“I see you’re qualifying your statements again.”
Yes, when I post more than once I don’t merely cut and paste words. I qualified, but didn’t change the meaning fundamentally. It does apply to the parents, since they are interested in the status of their children. It applies more to the children, since they are the ones it is about.
“No, it’s about a choice the child’s alien parent/s have and the law is informing them of the consequences of their actions”
No, no, a thousand times no. It is about the child’s status, which may or may not affect the choices of the parents. Though it does, as you say, inform them of the consequences of where and how they birth their babies. Consequences which redound directly upon the children. It applies to the parents, yes, in their capacity as parents. It applies to the children fundamentally, since it is about them as persons: what citizenship status they will carry with them.
“If the child’s parents don’t know what the law is and the child is born in the US, then their child will be, automatically, designated a US citizen”
Yes, exactly. That’s why it applies to them.
“The parent/s have to go through a different set of hurdles to become U.S citizens and they also will never be natural born citizens despite becoming citizens as they too are naturalized.”
No, not “also,” but aside from that so what?
“And that’s for legal aliens, like students, in case you’ve missed that tidbit along the way.”
No, I haven’t. The 14th amendment controls the children of illegal aliens who are subject to the jurisdiction of U.S. law.
“Well if they weren’t born in the nation of their citizen parents they wouldn’t even be natural born citizens, would they?”
That’s beside the point. Would children according to this law qualify if born outside the U.S.? I forget. Either way, where they are born is not up to them and it does apply to them.
“So who does have control over where the child is born?”
The parents, but that’s not the issue. The law does not apply only to people who can choose where the child is born.