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Posted on 05/03/2012 12:55:27 PM PDT by Nachum
How is it that Dr. Hatem al-Haj, a fellow at the American Academy of Pediatrics and a leading Muslim jurist, misunderstands Islamic law so severely as to think that this purely cultural practice has something to do with Islam? Surely it can't be that the mainstream media and Islamic leaders in the U.S. have been lying to us, and FGM really is justified in Islam, could it? Naaah.
"AMJA Senior Committee Member: Female Genital Mutilation Is 'an Honor' per Islam," from Translating Jihad, April 27 (thanks to all who sent this in):
A couple of weeks ago I posted a translation of a paper by Association of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) senior committee member Dr. Hatem al-Haj, PhD, MD, in which he warned American Muslims against working in law enforcement in our 'infidel' nation (see here for more details). Now in my latest translation, Dr. al-Haj explains why female circumcision is recommended and even 'an honor' for women....
Below is my excerpted translation of the 41-page Arabic-language paper by Dr. Hatem al-Haj entitled "Circumcision of Girls: Jurisprudence and Medicine" (see the original here and here):
The ruling on circumcision: Scholars have differed on the ruling on circumcision. They have agreed on its legitimacy for both sexes, but beyond that they have differed. Some--most famously the Shafiites--believe that it is obligatory for both sexes. Some believe it is obligatory for men only, and some believe it is recommended for both. At the very least it can be said that for women it is an honor, and for men it is sunnah [i.e. it is in accord with the tradition of Muhammad].
(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...
These people are deeply sick.
OK, why don’t the guys stick their junk into a blender, for the honor of it!
But W said it was a religion of peace.
I am against the mutilation of genitalia for either sex before the age of eighteen. If you want to to it after you turn 18, go for it. But that is just me.
Or was W saying piece?
I wonder if she has had her girlie bits cut off?
Why the USA allows these Koranimals in our country is beyond belief.
(Oh, thats right. We have one of “them” as president. Forgot.)
What has Sandra Fluke said about this?
Or Ariana Za Za Huffington?
We got it. It wasn’t any better the second time. Remember, its not a real thread until someone trashes Bush.
In truth, it is simply that Islamic “scholars” view women as son-making machines. They are not supposed to enjoy the reproductive act, ant that is why it is such an honor to have such an item which would allow it, removed... Women are chattel and men are in control. Of course if someone removed the good doctors “tip” we could see how he would respond to an equivalent “surgery” as he is advocating for females.
Well, let's make it official then. Bush adopted the phrase Religion of Peace. He said it in a very public way on several occasions. Another example of your boy "hero" being all compassionately squishy.
“We got it. It wasnt any better the second time. Remember, its not a real thread until someone trashes Bush.”
Would “Stay away from Dem Bushes” do?
NOTE: The name of the member of the American Academy of Pediatrics is a Muslim whose first name is “Hatem”, and hating is what Muslims are good at. His last name is - this is NOT a joke ‘al-Haj’.
Another Muslim whose utterances prove why Islam is antithetical to, and irreconcilable with, America.
Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and what Muslims do.
I think my next call will be to the Minnesota Board of Registration In Medicine.
Just posting a fact. If I was to post a lie about something he said, that would be “trashing”.
Another half-arsed tradition. I think all muslims should be neutered before age 12.
Good work. Your call means a lot. They have to respond to it.
There's an argument to be made in favor of it for boys.Studies have shown fewer incidents of cancers in males who've had it.Apart from pain I don't know if there's any real downside.
For girls there's no upside...it's just a barbaric act of 9th Century knuckledraggers.
Anyone needing a handy definition for oxymoronic clusterf**k please copy/paste the above.
“those who know medicine know that Mayo is about the best,and most famous,in the world.”
I don’t know if they still do but at one time Mayo was the medical home for the Saudi Royal family. So I wouldn’t expect a lot from them, but I hope they would take a stand against this.
Thanks a lot.I have a background in the medical biz...many years at a major Boston hospital...so I kinda know how this works and who to call.I think tomorrow I'll call the state licensing board to see what,if anything,*they* have to say.If,by chance,Minnesota pulls his license then he's done as a physician in this country.It works the same way as with a driver's license...if it's suspended or pulled in one state you can't get one in any other.
Yes, I know, Bush is evil, evil, evil because he didn't damn them all to Hell every chance he got!!!! That's what bravehearts like you would have done, were you the President. You would have taken every opportunity to publicly attack every living Muslim and probably burn them all next to the reflecting pond.
Such a paragon of truth and justice. You're everyone's idol.
Penis cancer is very rare. Getting part of your penis removed because it reduces that risk is like a woman getting part of her breasts removed to reduce the risk of breast cancer (well other than that breast cancer is much more prevalent).
Actually the Saudi royal family has connections to many medical institutes in the US. Most of those places have kept quiet about it since 9/11.
Members of the Saudi Royal Family are known to seek treatment at several major US hospitals,as well as hospitals in Britain and elsewhere.I spent a long time at a major Boston hospital and we regularly had members of that family as patients.I heard many stories...which I'm not at liberty to divulge (no,not all of them bad).
HOORAY Robert Spencer! Interesting thread.
There's part of your answer ~ have you noticed recently your more astute Leftwingwomen have quit trying to bother everybody about Sandra? They know.
I'm sure you would have approached this issue MUCH differently. Being such a manly man and all.
Whoda thunk that the MohamMADans would have something in common with the so-called Transgendered Americans. Both appear to be into sexual mutilation “operations”.
All the ones who do practice it in say England are from Somali or other African countries.
I do know some muslims and they look upon it (and african muslims) as savages.
FGM has one purpose, eliminate as much female sexual satisfaction as possible because insecure muslim males believe it will keep their women from straying.
It is practiced in Egypt according to someone I know who lived there.
Bush was a liberal moron. He had good intentions but we all know where those lead - most liberals have good intentions.
Some of those good intentions couple with abysmal ignorance (I hope) lead to many thousands of our best young people killed and maimed and a couple of trillion dollars wasted. We accomplished and will accomplish exactly nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Calling someone a loser because they are pointing out the perils of liberal action seems incongruous with the basic premise of this forum.
Blah, blah, blah. At least attempt to make sense. You obviously wouldn’t recognize a “liberal” if you found one in your soup.
I had a long reponse typed out then decided to just go with the following:
You believe that Bush believed, that “seven or eight (muslims) who don’t stand with them” makes Islam a religion of peace? That’s funny. However, I don’t doubt that Bush actually believed that.
Do you really think there is anything even remotely comparable between the two, or are you just a troll? Female genital mutilation is disgusting. Check out Ann Barnhardt explains Islamic Sexuality maybe you will learn something.
Yep, northern African country. It's not practiced in countries like Iran, Iraq or Indonesia/malaysia or other non African areas.
He made sense Deb, you apparently didn't like it. You do no that the Saudi Family was whisked out of the country after 911 by GW, wonder why he felt that was needed? Could it be that most of the attackers were Saudis? How is it that GHWB was close friends of the House of Saud, when they use our money to spread Whabbism around the world?
Do you remember how hard GW fought to open the Borders and pass "Comprehensive" immigration reform? Do you remember how hard he fought to open up our borders to Mexican trucks? Do you remember the fence he said he would build if only we would vote for him again, then had Kay Bailey defund it immediately after the election? And let us not forget this one, I have to destroy Capitalism in order to save it, we must have TARP.
And he was one of the good guys, unfortunately New World Order is in his genes.
As much as I hate creating new laws, I think we need a new one:
Any child who has been mutilated in this manner shall have all male relatives surgically removed from the future gene pool via “extremely invasive sterilization” aka. Man Cancer Precautionary Prevention via complete genital parts removal.
That’s what brainwashing turns into after a few years...braindead sickos.
[ Blah, blah, blah. At least attempt to make sense.
He made sense Deb, you apparently didn’t like it. You do no that the Saudi Family was whisked out of the country after 911 by GW, wonder why he felt that was needed? Could it be that most of the attackers were Saudis? How is it that GHWB was close friends of the House of Saud, when they use our money to spread Whabbism around the world?
Do you remember how hard GW fought to open the Borders and pass “Comprehensive” immigration reform? Do you remember how hard he fought to open up our borders to Mexican trucks? Do you remember the fence he said he would build if only we would vote for him again, then had Kay Bailey defund it immediately after the election? And let us not forget this one, I have to destroy Capitalism in order to save it, we must have TARP.
And he was one of the good guys, unfortunately New World Order is in his genes. ]
Post 9/11 the following should have happened:
1. A few weeks after there should have been intensive investigations as to who failed in the FBI and CIA and there should have been multiple firings and pension-ectomies of the peope who ignored the cries of their subordinates who were warning about the hijackers. The people who were warning about it should have been promoted and even replaced their dumbasses bosses who were fired.
2. We should have declared WAR capital W on Saudia Arabia for funding sharia and wahabism over the globe that led to this.
3. We should have called pooty poot and told him there are two missles that will be launched and not tow orry because they are going to pass over the soviet union.
4. We should have taken over a good 1/2 of the Saudi Oil fields as War reparations for the attacks against our civillians on 9/11.
5. THEN go after Bin Laden.
IIRC, over 90% of Egyptian females subjected to FGM -- but then, Egypt is in Africa. (And Islam is the dominant religion by far.)
It may be a cultural thing, but Islam swept away a lot of cultural things wherever it took hold; why not this thing?
That's a rhetorical question.
“Actually the Saudi royal family has connections to many medical institutes in the US.”
Being Muslim means having the accumulated genetic deficits consequential to 1,400 years of incest.
“Most of those places have kept quiet about it since 9/11.”
Saudi oil wealth has infiltrated and degraded much of America’s infrastructure.
“Vast majority of muslims are AGAINST FGM. The ones who practice it are mostly African and it is more a cultural than religious thing.”
Do consider a quick Google search before posting such egregious Muslim talking points.
In Egypt, somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of the Muslim women have been held down and mutilated.
PS A Muslim calling anyone a ‘savage” is the worst case of pot badmouthing kettle one can imagine.
“You believe that Bush believed, that seven or eight (muslims) who dont stand with them makes Islam a religion of peace? Thats funny. However, I dont doubt that Bush actually believed that.”
Bush and the Saudi relationship was detailed in “House of Bush, House of Saud”.
Core fact - Bush family and the Carlilse Group invested 1.476 BILLION BUCKS of Saudi money.
Now you know why Bush was holding hands with that Sand Savage.
I like the way you think, but we are in a distinct minority.
Richard Clarke arranged for members of the Royal family to return to SA post 9/11 WHEN PLANES WERE ALLOWED TO RETURN TO SERVICE. He testified about it at the 9/11 hearings.
Bush had nothing to do with it. Richard Clarke hates Bush because he wasn't promoted. So he quit, wrote a book, testified for the DEMOCRATS and works for MSNBC.
The rest of your stupid post is too ignorant to bother with. Especially amusing is your infantile understanding of TARP.
Read a book. It won't help, but you'll see lots a pretty pictures.
And beware the Build-A-Burgers!!!
And the NEW WORLD ORDER!!!! (whatever the f that is)