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What do we mean when we say small government, ie, constitutionally limited government?
Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/03/2012 3:05:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: LibLieSlayer
I would bet that we see Consitutional reforms take hold in our lifetimes... one way or the other... it will happen.

My bet is on "other". The ruling class establishment has effectively imposed a totalitarian tyranny on the people, and left them no recourse but rebellion.

I don't expect an armed uprising anytime soon, but I think we'll start seeing widespread acts of civil disobedience and resistance occurring over the next four years. I mean, truly, what else are we to do? Every one of our established institutions is broken.

51 posted on 05/03/2012 6:40:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; cripplecreek
50 posted on Thu May 03 2012 20:34:58 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Windflier: “With the sincerest of apologies to my revered ancestors, I'd have to anglicize that name, if it were mine.”

Understood, but he's in West Michigan. Dutch names around those parts don't sound strange to Michigander ears. If you want really unspellable examples of Dutch names, think things like Rensselaer Broekhuizen or Kees van der Staaij.

Names like that actually get people extra votes from many conservatives. If the choices are Fred Upton or Jack Hoogendyk, a significant percentage of people in the Republican primary will vote for Hoogendyk merely because of his name.

The reason why is an ethnic version of “branding.” Even among non-Dutch people in communities with a significant Dutch Reformed presence, the presumption is that if you're Dutch, unless proven otherwise, you're probably some sort of fairly conservative Christian even if you're not Dutch Reformed, you're very frugal in your personal and business finances, and you're right-of-center politically. Those are good things for a Republican to be identified with in that area — lots of people who know nothing else about you will like you just because of your name.

Of course, there are also negatives to being Dutch. The perception is that you're religiously narrowminded, are part of a pretty ethnocentric group, and are so strict about money that you pinch pennies until they scream for mercy. However, the people who don't like those things probably wouldn't have voted for a strongly conservative Republican anyway.

To be clear, I'm writing as a Grand Rapids native and Calvin graduate who doesn't have a drop of Dutch blood but is a right-wing Calvinist and therefore even stricter than the Dutch stereotypes of such things. I was one of the very few non-Dutch people attending Calvin back when I was a student, and I routinely had people do double-takes when they saw a rare non-Dutch name that didn't have distinctive Dutch suffixes or prefixes like VanderSomething or DeSomething or Somethingstra or Somethingsma or Somethinga.

52 posted on 05/03/2012 7:20:50 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

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53 posted on 05/03/2012 7:29:00 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: darrellmaurina
...he's in West Michigan. Dutch names around those parts don't sound strange to Michigander ears. Names like that actually get people extra votes from many conservatives.

Hmm....that hadn't even occurred to me. I'm from the Southwest, where those kinds of names aren't real common. As a kid in SoCal, the most unusual Nordic name I remember, was Van de Kamp (are the Dutch considered Nordic, or is Lowlander preferred?).

54 posted on 05/03/2012 7:45:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nice list, we do indeed have a very long chain of abuses & usurpation.

Perhaps the only real question of consequences is what will these evils invariably accomplish regardless of the intentions of its implemented?


55 posted on 05/03/2012 7:46:14 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Windflier; publius911
@ publius911: Glad I wrote something helpful enough to bookmark.

@ Windflier: The Dutch would not consider themselves Nordic at all — on the contrary, the regions now known as the Netherlands were among the victims of the Viking invasions.

Historically, the Dutch once had several different ethnic backgrounds of Germanic origin, but in the modern era until recent times have been fairly homogeneous ethnically despite provincial differences, with the significant exception being Friesland which even today retains its own linguistic identity.

Dutch immigrants in North America who wanted to preserve their ethnic, cultural and religious heritage tended to cluster in immigrant ethnic communities which until the current generation remained strongly conservative. That is breaking up theologically due to serious liberal inroads in the Reformed Church in America and Christian Reformed Church, but it will take another generation to fall apart sociologically and politically.

Think Northwest Iowa, the Pella region of central Iowa, West Michigan, and certain parts of Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia which have become overwhelmingly Dutch, along with smaller immigrant communities that became subcultures in areas were the Dutch were a small minority.

This is politically significant not just regionally but nationally because of the role of the Dutch Reformed in Iowa. Bob Vander Plaats was a key factor in mobilizing Iowa evangelicals for Rick Santorum, which propelled him into the national spotlight. Very similar things happened four years ago with Mike Huckabee. We can curse or praise that, but it is impossible to deny the role of the Dutch in Iowa in jumpstarting two consecutive conservative Christian candidates.

56 posted on 05/03/2012 8:26:28 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Jim Robinson
Just think how cheap a government that only did what was laid out in the Constitution would be.

The government would be 10% of the size that it is now.

Not to mention that I am frankly sick of having the feds poke their noses into my business.

57 posted on 05/03/2012 8:43:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (In most cases, revenge is not a good thing. In other cases, it's the only thing.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yup.


58 posted on 05/03/2012 8:45:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The Founders had it right and those who believe in and fight for limited government have it right. Obama is a flaming useful idiot for full blown Marxism and cannot possibly survive an impeachment fight once it starts. A vote for Romney is giving one’s consent for continuing big government and the slide into socialism, but from the GOP side which will not be resisted by our elected representatives. Either of them end up in the same place.


59 posted on 05/03/2012 8:55:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Windflier

It would be far more effective to shake the broken system apart. Take advantage of where the leftist have broken the Constitutional system’s structure to shake it apart.

As simplistic as that sounds its really is a matter of taking advantage of the compromised system.

There are as many ways to do that as there are holes in the federal logic, and ultimately it all boils down to 3 complimentary objectives:

1: Use the abusive power to make the left as unhappy with Washington as we are, so that they too desire either a separation or revolution.(this is not so hard, headed there already)

2: Uses the abuses to compromises the government’s ability to sustain itself. Push it into a position where it is bordering on financial collapse.(this is even easier to do, its simply a matter of acceleration what it naturally wants to do.)

3: Increase the disfranchisement, by continuing to preach about the origins & nature of our rights(from God not State, Consist of Freedom not Services). Then point out the inevitable consequences of their actions, our loss of freedom, and the population being made depended upon the exploitation of others.


60 posted on 05/03/2012 9:24:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Jim Robinson

Free course on the Constitution. I highly recommend!

http://constitution.hillsdale.edu/


61 posted on 05/04/2012 7:17:57 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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