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What do we mean when we say small government, ie, constitutionally limited government?
Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/03/2012 3:05:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Some of the areas/functions the federal government should not be involved in per the constitution (see enumerated powers of congress and the Bill of Rights, the 9th and 10th amendments, etc):

  1. Health
  2. Education
  3. Welfare
  4. Housing
  5. Mortgages
  6. Student loans
  7. Subsidies
  8. Health insurance
  9. Retirement insurance
  10. Mandating insurance contracts of any kind
  11. Trade unions
  12. Government workers unions (huge conflict of interest)
  13. Jobs (other than not creating an environment that kills them)
  14. Banking/finance
  15. Free markets
  16. The stock market
  17. The economy (other than not overstepping its constitutional bounds and creating havoc)
  18. The working environment
  19. Global warming
  20. Crime in general (other than treason, piracy, counterfeiting, etc)
  21. Marriage (gay or otherwise)
  22. Abortion (other protecting than the constitutional right to life)
  23. Infanticide (ditto)
  24. Euthanasia (ditto)
  25. Judicial activism
  26. Leveling the playing field for minorities
  27. Ditto for immigrants (legal or otherwise)
  28. Ditto for women
  29. Ditto for hispanics
  30. Ditto for gays
  31. Ditto for students
  32. Ditto for seniors
  33. Ditto for the poor
  34. Ditto for the middle class
  35. Ditto for singling out the wealthy for special punishment
  36. Ditto for any other class or special interest group (see equality under the law)
  37. Using the news media as propaganda organ
  38. Using the entertainment industry as propaganda organ
  39. Using educational institutions as socialist indoctrination centers
  40. Conducting war on talk radio
  41. Suppressing freedom of speech
  42. Oppressing freedom of religion
  43. Suppressing inter-state commerce (the commerce clause was intended to keep commerce flowing between the states with no restrictions or tariffs)
  44. Conducting war on coal, oil, gas, energy
  45. Conducting war on farming, fishing, mining, timber, manufacturing, industry
  46. Conducting war on religious freedom
  47. Conducting war on right to freely exercise religion
  48. Conducting war on Christianity
  49. Conducting war on right to keep and bear arms
  50. Conducting war on state powers
  51. Conducting war on liberty itself
  52. etc, etc, etc.

It's a never ending list and rapidly expanding as fast as our now virtually UNLIMITED unconstitutional BIG government is rapidly expanding, regardless of party in power.

Think about the thousands of areas where our federal government has granted itself powers to control and regulate, then compare them to the very short list of enumerated powers:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

See also:


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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To: LibLieSlayer
I would bet that we see Consitutional reforms take hold in our lifetimes... one way or the other... it will happen.

My bet is on "other". The ruling class establishment has effectively imposed a totalitarian tyranny on the people, and left them no recourse but rebellion.

I don't expect an armed uprising anytime soon, but I think we'll start seeing widespread acts of civil disobedience and resistance occurring over the next four years. I mean, truly, what else are we to do? Every one of our established institutions is broken.

51 posted on 05/03/2012 6:40:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; cripplecreek
50 posted on Thu May 03 2012 20:34:58 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Windflier: “With the sincerest of apologies to my revered ancestors, I'd have to anglicize that name, if it were mine.”

Understood, but he's in West Michigan. Dutch names around those parts don't sound strange to Michigander ears. If you want really unspellable examples of Dutch names, think things like Rensselaer Broekhuizen or Kees van der Staaij.

Names like that actually get people extra votes from many conservatives. If the choices are Fred Upton or Jack Hoogendyk, a significant percentage of people in the Republican primary will vote for Hoogendyk merely because of his name.

The reason why is an ethnic version of “branding.” Even among non-Dutch people in communities with a significant Dutch Reformed presence, the presumption is that if you're Dutch, unless proven otherwise, you're probably some sort of fairly conservative Christian even if you're not Dutch Reformed, you're very frugal in your personal and business finances, and you're right-of-center politically. Those are good things for a Republican to be identified with in that area — lots of people who know nothing else about you will like you just because of your name.

Of course, there are also negatives to being Dutch. The perception is that you're religiously narrowminded, are part of a pretty ethnocentric group, and are so strict about money that you pinch pennies until they scream for mercy. However, the people who don't like those things probably wouldn't have voted for a strongly conservative Republican anyway.

To be clear, I'm writing as a Grand Rapids native and Calvin graduate who doesn't have a drop of Dutch blood but is a right-wing Calvinist and therefore even stricter than the Dutch stereotypes of such things. I was one of the very few non-Dutch people attending Calvin back when I was a student, and I routinely had people do double-takes when they saw a rare non-Dutch name that didn't have distinctive Dutch suffixes or prefixes like VanderSomething or DeSomething or Somethingstra or Somethingsma or Somethinga.

52 posted on 05/03/2012 7:20:50 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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53 posted on 05/03/2012 7:29:00 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: darrellmaurina
...he's in West Michigan. Dutch names around those parts don't sound strange to Michigander ears. Names like that actually get people extra votes from many conservatives.

Hmm....that hadn't even occurred to me. I'm from the Southwest, where those kinds of names aren't real common. As a kid in SoCal, the most unusual Nordic name I remember, was Van de Kamp (are the Dutch considered Nordic, or is Lowlander preferred?).

54 posted on 05/03/2012 7:45:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nice list, we do indeed have a very long chain of abuses & usurpation.

Perhaps the only real question of consequences is what will these evils invariably accomplish regardless of the intentions of its implemented?

55 posted on 05/03/2012 7:46:14 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Windflier; publius911
@ publius911: Glad I wrote something helpful enough to bookmark.

@ Windflier: The Dutch would not consider themselves Nordic at all — on the contrary, the regions now known as the Netherlands were among the victims of the Viking invasions.

Historically, the Dutch once had several different ethnic backgrounds of Germanic origin, but in the modern era until recent times have been fairly homogeneous ethnically despite provincial differences, with the significant exception being Friesland which even today retains its own linguistic identity.

Dutch immigrants in North America who wanted to preserve their ethnic, cultural and religious heritage tended to cluster in immigrant ethnic communities which until the current generation remained strongly conservative. That is breaking up theologically due to serious liberal inroads in the Reformed Church in America and Christian Reformed Church, but it will take another generation to fall apart sociologically and politically.

Think Northwest Iowa, the Pella region of central Iowa, West Michigan, and certain parts of Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia which have become overwhelmingly Dutch, along with smaller immigrant communities that became subcultures in areas were the Dutch were a small minority.

This is politically significant not just regionally but nationally because of the role of the Dutch Reformed in Iowa. Bob Vander Plaats was a key factor in mobilizing Iowa evangelicals for Rick Santorum, which propelled him into the national spotlight. Very similar things happened four years ago with Mike Huckabee. We can curse or praise that, but it is impossible to deny the role of the Dutch in Iowa in jumpstarting two consecutive conservative Christian candidates.

56 posted on 05/03/2012 8:26:28 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Jim Robinson
Just think how cheap a government that only did what was laid out in the Constitution would be.

The government would be 10% of the size that it is now.

Not to mention that I am frankly sick of having the feds poke their noses into my business.

57 posted on 05/03/2012 8:43:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (In most cases, revenge is not a good thing. In other cases, it's the only thing.)
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58 posted on 05/03/2012 8:45:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The Founders had it right and those who believe in and fight for limited government have it right. Obama is a flaming useful idiot for full blown Marxism and cannot possibly survive an impeachment fight once it starts. A vote for Romney is giving one’s consent for continuing big government and the slide into socialism, but from the GOP side which will not be resisted by our elected representatives. Either of them end up in the same place.

59 posted on 05/03/2012 8:55:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Windflier

It would be far more effective to shake the broken system apart. Take advantage of where the leftist have broken the Constitutional system’s structure to shake it apart.

As simplistic as that sounds its really is a matter of taking advantage of the compromised system.

There are as many ways to do that as there are holes in the federal logic, and ultimately it all boils down to 3 complimentary objectives:

1: Use the abusive power to make the left as unhappy with Washington as we are, so that they too desire either a separation or revolution.(this is not so hard, headed there already)

2: Uses the abuses to compromises the government’s ability to sustain itself. Push it into a position where it is bordering on financial collapse.(this is even easier to do, its simply a matter of acceleration what it naturally wants to do.)

3: Increase the disfranchisement, by continuing to preach about the origins & nature of our rights(from God not State, Consist of Freedom not Services). Then point out the inevitable consequences of their actions, our loss of freedom, and the population being made depended upon the exploitation of others.

60 posted on 05/03/2012 9:24:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Jim Robinson

Free course on the Constitution. I highly recommend!

61 posted on 05/04/2012 7:17:57 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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